So the republican solution to our healthcare system is as little government as possible right?

[Mac-7]

No, he's simply lying.

TheProgressivePatriot is totally irrational

As you say, its probably fake

Even the most starry-eyed lib must know that adding 20-30 million poor foreigners puts an unacceptable burden on our welfare system

 

[P@triot]

Well people are stupid so republicans so get elected. This hardly means anything since we know republicans lost control of congress in 2019. It’s the cycle of politics. Sorry no reason to be impressed lol

“No reason”

Let’s pretend that really sad/desperate response was true in some bizarre world. Republicans didn’t just “get elected”. Obama took a historic beating.

The American people were clearly pissed about something. Which is odd, because according to your alternative version to reality, he had just rescued the American people from a recession. Right? So why would the American people overwhelmingly send the Dumbocrats home in record numbers?

 

[Billy000]

“No reason”

Let’s pretend that really sad/desperate response was true in some bizarre world. Republicans didn’t just “get elected”. Obama took a historic beating.

The American people were clearly pissed about something. Which is odd, because according to your alternative version to reality, he had just rescued the American people from a recession. Right? So why would the American people overwhelmingly send the Dumbocrats home in record numbers?

Are you expecting me to deny republicans won in 2010? lol well clearly I’m not. My obvious point is that we go through the cycle of politics. Are you denying that democrats took control of congress in 2019?

 

[P@triot]

So just so we are clear, we had job growth in Bush’s final months? You are completely DELUDED

No. Not at all. Nobody said that. Nobody even implied that. Why do you keep lying?

When Bush left office, unemployment was in the 7% range. It wasn’t until Barack Obama and a Dumbocrat super majority started slamming the American people with failed extremist policy after failed extremist policy that shit really went south,

 

[P@triot]

Are you expecting me to deny republicans won in 2010? lol well clearly I’m not.

Nope. But you’re avoiding the question like it’s radioactive. Probably because you realize you’ve just been backed into a corner.

If Obama had just rescued the American people from a recession and was creating all of these jobs, why the historic beating? He didn’t just lose. His party lost record numbers.

My obvious point is that we go through the cycle of politics.

Cycles - yes. Historic beatings? Uh, no. Would you like to try again?

Are you denying that democrats took control of congress in 2019?

Nope. Donald Trump was the most hated man in political history. And he still, he didn’t suffer historic losses like Obama did.

 

[Billy000]

No. Not at all. Nobody said that. Nobody even implied that. Why do you keep lying?

When Bush left office, unemployment was in the 7% range. It wasn’t until Barack Obama and a Dumbocrat super majority started slamming the American people with failed extremist policy after failed extremist policy that shit really went south,

So republican policy didn’t prevent it. Got it. Obviously the unemployment rate is going to get higher in a recession that was only a few months old lol. You do get that basic logic right?

 

[Billy000]

Nope. But you’re avoiding the question like it’s radioactive. Probably because you realize you’ve just been backed into a corner.

If Obama had just rescued the American people from a recession and was creating all of these jobs, why the historic beating? He didn’t just lose. His party lost record numbers.

Cycles - yes. Historic beatings? Uh, no. Would you like to try again?

Nope. Donald Trump was the most hated man in political history. And he still, he didn’t suffer historic losses like Obama did.

Sure it was a big loss, but you’re making up reasons of pure speculation. The recession ended either way. Who the **** cares what the voter opinion on the economy is?

 

[Greenbeard]

The American people were clearly pissed about something. Which is odd, because according to your alternative version to reality, he had just rescued the American people from a recession. Right? So why would the American people overwhelmingly send the Dumbocrats home in record numbers?

It was old people misled by hysterical anti-ACA propaganda.

Greedy Geezers?

In the 2006 midterm election, seniors split their vote evenly between House Democrats and Republicans. This time [2010], they went for Republicans by a twenty-one-point margin. The impact of that swing was magnified by the fact that seniors, always pretty reliable midterm voters, were particularly fired up: nearly a quarter of the votes cast were from people over sixty-five. The election has been termed the “revolt of the middle class.” But it might more accurately be called the revolt of the retired.

The real sticking point was health-care reform, which the elderly didn’t like from the start. . . Misinformation about “death panels” and so on had something to do with seniors’ hostility. But the real reason is that it feels to them as if health-care reform will come at their expense, since the new law will slow the growth in Medicare spending over the next decade. It won’t actually cut current spending, as Republicans claimed in campaign ads, but between now and 2019 total Medicare outlays will be half a trillion dollars less than previously projected. Never mind that this number includes cost savings from more efficient care, or that the bill has a host of provisions that benefit seniors—most notably the closing of the infamous drug-benefit “doughnut hole,” which had left people responsible for thousands of dollars in prescription-drug costs. The idea that the government might try to restrain Medicare spending was enough to turn seniors against the bill.

Luckily the Medicare reforms ended up improving the program while saving trillions of dollars.

 

[lennypartiv]

Hows that Trump alternative thing working out for you?

Get a job.

 

[HeyNorm]

Exactly. The world's best brain surgeon makes a fraction of what a sports star makes.

It's ridiculous to complain about how much a doctor makes when they literally are saving lives on a daily basis.

Then cut the crap about the high cost of healthcare?

They work hard? They wouldn’t last a day on road construction, but will charge enough to bankrupt one.

 

[westwall]

Then cut the crap about the high cost of healthcare?

They work hard? They wouldn’t last a day on road construction, but will charge enough to bankrupt one.

As they ******* should. They work their ******* asses off in school. Then, after they graduate they are worked to exhaustion during their residency.

Then, after they are off on their own, they have to pay over 200,000 per year in insurance thanks to the ******* lawyer leeches who are the TRUE scumbags.

You want your healthcare costs to drop? Easy, loser pays in any malpractice case.

Insurance companies aren't allowed to control sectors of the country.

End obummercare and its onerous record keeping bullshit. They literally bury the medical practitioners under a mountain of bureaucratic bullshit.

Do those three things and healthcare costs drop.

 

[HeyNorm]

As they ******* should. They work their ******* asses off in school. Then, after they graduate they are worked to exhaustion during their residency.

Then, after they are off on their own, they have to pay over 200,000 per year in insurance thanks to the ******* lawyer leeches who are the TRUE scumbags.

You want your healthcare costs to drop? Easy, loser pays in any malpractice case.

Insurance companies aren't allowed to control sectors of the country.

End obummercare and its onerous record keeping bullshit. They literally bury the medical practitioners under a mountain of bureaucratic bullshit.

Do those three things and healthcare costs drop.

I agree with everything above, and you will not see me complaining about the high cost of healthcare. Been insured since I’ve been 18. Moved 16 times since then to keep good health care through several employers. Rarely use the system. Visited doctors maybe 8 times in my life, but never for anything more serious than an ear infection.

I have no problem with a physician making a good living. But some of them use their patients as cash flow in order to make an unimaginable amount of money.

 

[elektra]

...and you said you're buying a "mid-tier" plan for $800. Which you say you've been paying since that rate materialized "overnight" when the ACA passed fourteen years ago. Remarkable stuff.





That said, if you really "have not had a sickness, a broken bone, a stitch, nothing requiring healthcare" then you'd be better off buying a cheaper bottom tier plan and pocketing the premium differential.

Grow up
ObamaCare raised the rates we pay for insurance dramatcally.

The rates continue to go up.

Obviously you are a welfare recepient hence you have no idea of costs.

 

[westwall]

I agree with everything above, and you will not see me complaining about the high cost of healthcare. Been insured since I’ve been 18. Moved 16 times since then to keep good health care through several employers. Rarely use the system. Visited doctors maybe 8 times in my life, but never for anything more serious than an ear infection.

I have no problem with a physician making a good living. But some of them use their patients as cash flow in order to make an unimaginable amount of money.

Name one who does that.

The only ones I can think of who are truly despicable are involved in gender transition.

Those fuckers should be in prison.

 

[Greenbeard]

Grow up
ObamaCare raised the rates we pay for insurance dramatcally.

The rates continue to go up.

Obviously you are a welfare recepient hence you have no idea of costs.

Per KFF, the annual employee contribution to their premium for single coverage was about $75/month when the ACA passed in 2010, which is about $105/month in 2023 dollars. The average monthly employee contribution in 2023 was about $116. So in real dollars individual premiums for employer-based coverage are a little over a hundred bucks a year higher.

You're not going to find any thirteen-year period on record where costs rose so slowly.

 

[HeyNorm]

Name one who does that.

The only ones I can think of who are truly despicable are involved in gender transition.

Those fuckers should be in prison.

 

[elektra]

Per KFF, the annual employee contribution to their premium for single coverage was about $75/month when the ACA passed in 2010, which is about $105/month in 2023 dollars. The average monthly employee contribution in 2023 was about $116. So in real dollars individual premiums for employer-based coverage are a little over a hundred bucks a year higher.

You're not going to find any thirteen-year period on record where costs rose so slowly.

ObamaCare rose rates on average 129%

You can spew all the bullshit you can find with google, which is not the truth.

Like I said, you must be on welfare to not know of how much insurance went up

 

[westwall]

I gave you the one group of doctors that I know who does it.

Name another.

 

[westwall]

Per KFF, the annual employee contribution to their premium for single coverage was about $75/month when the ACA passed in 2010, which is about $105/month in 2023 dollars. The average monthly employee contribution in 2023 was about $116. So in real dollars individual premiums for employer-based coverage are a little over a hundred bucks a year higher.

You're not going to find any thirteen-year period on record where costs rose so slowly.

What a farce. Obummercare increased my rate by over 100%. My wife's by 120ish percent, my neighbors by over 100% etc.

Your numbers are pure, unadulterated, bull poo.

 

[elektra]

Per KFF, the annual employee contribution to their premium for single coverage was about $75/month when the ACA passed in 2010, which is about $105/month in 2023 dollars. The average monthly employee contribution in 2023 was about $116. So in real dollars individual premiums for employer-based coverage are a little over a hundred bucks a year higher.

You're not going to find any thirteen-year period on record where costs rose so slowly.

Why would you use KFC to make your point and not your own experience? Are you on welfare? Someone else pays the bills for you, right.