So now I am the "resistance"?

[AzogtheDefiler]

DJT garnered 10mil more votes than in 2016 but still lost or looks like will lose by ~7mil votes. So the country wants to go Socialist. So now I am the de-facto resistance? Why? Do 77mil really want to pack the court, make PR and DC states, fund the Green New Deal, censor people they disagree with and support massive tax hikes??!!? Say it ain't so Joe.

I am pro the following:

• 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms
• Enhanced border security
• Pro choice (men and women up to 20 weeks)
• America First when it comes to manufacturing
• Strong military - continued military spend, as it also helps the private sector
• Fracking - Energy independence
• Continued support for Israel
• Small Government
• Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability. If you're not an open platform you should not be regulated as such.
• Equality for all NOT Equity

I am Anti:

• Paris Accords - I like saving the environment but we should not be paying excess costs for this especially when Russia and China are the biggest polluters.
• Trans girls playing sports vs. biological girls. Unfair advantage.
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates - would increase unemployment, encourage corporate inversions.
• Nationalized Healthcare but support a revamping of the current healthcare system. Make it more like auto insurance.
• Free college education - make it affordable by forcing colleges who charge significantly high tuition if the graduate cannot garner a job sufficient to pay that loan. Watch how quickly they stop charging $70k per year for sociology majors.
• Letting China off the hook for COVID-19 and for consistently stealing trade secrets and trying to undermine our economy.
• Doing anything with Iran until they admit they fund terror groups and cease that practice.
• Biased Media (need to be held accountable - unsure as to how)
• Censorship of any and all kinds.
• Defund the Police.
• Green New Deal
• Making PR and DC states
• Packing the Court
• Belief the Country is Systemically racist

So now I am the minority? Scary

No the country does not want to go socialist. The country is socialist, at least to some extent. I'm sure you are aware that essentially every nation on earth with just a couple of exceptions is both capitalist and socialist. Democrats and Republicans simple disagree on how much. I know of very few people in either party that wants the country to go 100% in either direction. As long as neither has complete control of government for a long period, there will some balance. Politicians make all kinds of promises to get elected but the reality is any lasting change has to involve congress which tempers those promises.

Republicans have been just as eager to pack the courts as democrats. The difference is republicans have done it.

Well....I hope you’re right. For example I do not want socialized healthcare nor do I want all college debt forgiven. Crazy talk IMO

Socialized healthcare means different things to different people. I favor keeping the health providers private as over 90% are today. I would like a Medicare like program to be the primary payer with supplements offered by private insurance. I have had private insurance from group and individual insurances for about 50 years and Medicare for nearly 15 years. Hands down Medicare is far superior from my point of view. Today I believe private insurance does very little to control costs since they use Medicare payment schedules as guide for what they will pay.

I absolute hate federal aid to education. I have grandkids in college and have to deal with it constantly. It is incredible expensive to administer and so complex for students and parents that 20% of the students that are illegible for benefits never receive any benefits at all. I have no idea how to fix it.

I do. Make the schools guaranty the student loans and then see how quickly tuition rates drop...

 

[Agit8r]

If only Biden was as cool as right-wingers say...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Lesh, no one held a gun to these peoples heads to take the $$$.

That's the game. No loan...no college. Yea...there is essentially a gun to their head

Maybe schools should be held accountable for charging $60k per year and not providing a degree with a skill set to repay the debt

Maybe. Maybe the banks ought to bite the bullet . THEY have been making out like bandits on this scam

Not true, Lesh. Community colleges are there, state schools, trade schools and no one forced them to get degrees that did not provide them with marketable skills.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

If only Biden was as cool as right-wingers say...

If only Biden wasn’t mostly dead.

 

[MarathonMike]

The Democrats are doing everything possible to alienate the 72 MILLION Americans who voted for Donald Trump. The Democrats talk unity but their actions are all about division.

Apparently Agit8r thinks I'm the funniest guy on USMB. What's that about 10 funny ratings today?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The Democrats are doing everything possible to alienate the 72 MILLION Americans who voted for Donald Trump. The Democrats talk unity but their actions are all about division.

Apparently Agit8r thinks I'm the funniest guy on USMB. What's that about 10 funny ratings today?

Congratulations!

 

[JoeB131]

OMG!!! Your delusions have no bounds. Please go away.

Troll boy worried someone got too close to the truth, the Zionists are playing the Funditards.

Jesus isnt' coming back... he never existed to start with.

 

[JoeB131]

I do. Make the schools guaranty the student loans and then see how quickly tuition rates drop...

Again, how do they do that? Do they go on the interview with them? Do they help them out on the job?

The problem here is that business are the ones INSISTING you have a bachelor's degree to get a job, not the universities for providing them. Supply and demand, when the demand for something goes up, and the supply remains the same, the cost goes up. You wingnuts love market forces, and then you whine when they have exactly the effect you should expect.

Not true, Lesh. Community colleges are there, state schools, trade schools and no one forced them to get degrees that did not provide them with marketable skills.

Okay - another dose of reality. Nobody is terribly impressed by a two-year degree from a community college. Trade schools are okay if you want to get into the trades, but the trades only pay well if you are lucky enough to get into a union.

As for State Schools, they are exactly the problem.

When I went to UIC in the 1980's, my tuition was about $1500 a year. I could pay that off working a minimum wage job for ten hours a week. (I didn't have to, of course. The Army picked that up for me.)

Today, tuition at UIC is about $17,000 a year. You could work a minimum wage job for 40 hours a week and never hit that.

You see, it used to be, most of the cost of UIC and UIUC were picked up by the state. Not so much anymore. The costs have shifted entirely to the student.

Now, why is this relevant? UIC was initially established to be the alternative college for poorer, urban Youth. We used to call it the "Commuter Campus" because you could reach it by public transportation. But because it costs so much now, they've gentrified the neighborhood around it and minority enrollment has plummeted. African Americans make up less than 8% of the student body today.

(We know Zoggy the Troll won't answer this, so we'll do it for him. "You're fat, you write resumes and you don't have kids!" Because he's such a mature guy, he thinks that constitutes debate.)

 

[playtime]

DJT garnered 10mil more votes than in 2016 but still lost or looks like will lose by ~7mil votes. So the country wants to go Socialist. So now I am the de-facto resistance? Why? Do 77mil really want to pack the court, make PR and DC states, fund the Green New Deal, censor people they disagree with and support massive tax hikes??!!? Say it ain't so Joe.

I am pro the following:

• 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms
• Enhanced border security
• Pro choice (men and women up to 20 weeks)
• America First when it comes to manufacturing
• Strong military - continued military spend, as it also helps the private sector
• Fracking - Energy independence
• Continued support for Israel
• Small Government
• Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability. If you're not an open platform you should not be regulated as such.
• Equality for all NOT Equity

I am Anti:

• Paris Accords - I like saving the environment but we should not be paying excess costs for this especially when Russia and China are the biggest polluters.
• Trans girls playing sports vs. biological girls. Unfair advantage.
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates - would increase unemployment, encourage corporate inversions.
• Nationalized Healthcare but support a revamping of the current healthcare system. Make it more like auto insurance.
• Free college education - make it affordable by forcing colleges who charge significantly high tuition if the graduate cannot garner a job sufficient to pay that loan. Watch how quickly they stop charging $70k per year for sociology majors.
• Letting China off the hook for COVID-19 and for consistently stealing trade secrets and trying to undermine our economy.
• Doing anything with Iran until they admit they fund terror groups and cease that practice.
• Biased Media (need to be held accountable - unsure as to how)
• Censorship of any and all kinds.
• Defund the Police.
• Green New Deal
• Making PR and DC states
• Packing the Court
• Belief the Country is Systemically racist

So now I am the minority? Scary

Actually, based on the votes cast, the people want TRUMP! out of office, but want Quid Pro Joe to have limited power so he cannot unilaterally enact his agenda.

Depends on how the GA senate race goes

Great point, without Dumpster on the ballot? My team wins!

Your team? Party over country again. Pretty sad.

So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never?

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Ooops. Now what? When was the last time you made a logical and or factual statement?

you didn't vote for bernie 'cause you liked/agreed with his policies ... you wanted him to get the nomination because you figured donny would beat him bigley.

I voted for him because of my hatred for Elizabeth Warren. But that was not what he asked. He asked when was the last time, didn't ask for a reason. Yes or no?

he asked:

' So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never? '

without having to ask for a reason - because it was implied, based on his & your posting history - that he was asking when was the last time you voted for a (D) based on (D) policies/platform. mass has an open primary?

 

[playtime]

He got 72 mil votes.

And that's the scary thing. I realise quite a few voted for him because he wasn't Biden and he was a member of the GoP. But those that voted for him and actually like/and believe in him? That is the scary part. I'm thinking at least half.

Wrong. You twits still don't get it. Voting for Trump has nothing to do with liking or believing in him. That's how Democrats think, cultists. He gets the job done. When you hire a plumber, which is more important, liking him or knowing he's gonna fix the problem?

if you mean tearing down every institution this nation is built upon, & shredding the constitution as ' getting the job done' then you are correct.

he's done an excellent job.

You're insane.

Yes! Thank you!!!

how unifying.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

DJT garnered 10mil more votes than in 2016 but still lost or looks like will lose by ~7mil votes. So the country wants to go Socialist. So now I am the de-facto resistance? Why? Do 77mil really want to pack the court, make PR and DC states, fund the Green New Deal, censor people they disagree with and support massive tax hikes??!!? Say it ain't so Joe.

I am pro the following:

• 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms
• Enhanced border security
• Pro choice (men and women up to 20 weeks)
• America First when it comes to manufacturing
• Strong military - continued military spend, as it also helps the private sector
• Fracking - Energy independence
• Continued support for Israel
• Small Government
• Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability. If you're not an open platform you should not be regulated as such.
• Equality for all NOT Equity

I am Anti:

• Paris Accords - I like saving the environment but we should not be paying excess costs for this especially when Russia and China are the biggest polluters.
• Trans girls playing sports vs. biological girls. Unfair advantage.
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates - would increase unemployment, encourage corporate inversions.
• Nationalized Healthcare but support a revamping of the current healthcare system. Make it more like auto insurance.
• Free college education - make it affordable by forcing colleges who charge significantly high tuition if the graduate cannot garner a job sufficient to pay that loan. Watch how quickly they stop charging $70k per year for sociology majors.
• Letting China off the hook for COVID-19 and for consistently stealing trade secrets and trying to undermine our economy.
• Doing anything with Iran until they admit they fund terror groups and cease that practice.
• Biased Media (need to be held accountable - unsure as to how)
• Censorship of any and all kinds.
• Defund the Police.
• Green New Deal
• Making PR and DC states
• Packing the Court
• Belief the Country is Systemically racist

So now I am the minority? Scary

Actually, based on the votes cast, the people want TRUMP! out of office, but want Quid Pro Joe to have limited power so he cannot unilaterally enact his agenda.

Depends on how the GA senate race goes

Great point, without Dumpster on the ballot? My team wins!

Your team? Party over country again. Pretty sad.

So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never?

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Ooops. Now what? When was the last time you made a logical and or factual statement?

you didn't vote for bernie 'cause you liked/agreed with his policies ... you wanted him to get the nomination because you figured donny would beat him bigley.

I voted for him because of my hatred for Elizabeth Warren. But that was not what he asked. He asked when was the last time, didn't ask for a reason. Yes or no?

he asked:

' So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never? '

without having to ask for a reason - because it was implied, based on his & your posting history - that he was asking when was the last time you voted for a (D) based on (D) policies/platform. mass has an open primary?

No. I am registered as an Independent so I may vote in one or the other not both.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He got 72 mil votes.

And that's the scary thing. I realise quite a few voted for him because he wasn't Biden and he was a member of the GoP. But those that voted for him and actually like/and believe in him? That is the scary part. I'm thinking at least half.

Wrong. You twits still don't get it. Voting for Trump has nothing to do with liking or believing in him. That's how Democrats think, cultists. He gets the job done. When you hire a plumber, which is more important, liking him or knowing he's gonna fix the problem?

if you mean tearing down every institution this nation is built upon, & shredding the constitution as ' getting the job done' then you are correct.

he's done an excellent job.

You're insane.

Yes! Thank you!!!

how unifying.

Ahhhh....I tried but now I see it is impossible with those like JoeB, candycorn, MarcATL, Faun and Lesh. You and I could maybe be civil.

 

[DrLove]

DJT garnered 10mil more votes than in 2016 but still lost or looks like will lose by ~7mil votes. So the country wants to go Socialist. So now I am the de-facto resistance? Why? Do 77mil really want to pack the court, make PR and DC states, fund the Green New Deal, censor people they disagree with and support massive tax hikes??!!? Say it ain't so Joe.

I am pro the following:

• 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms
• Enhanced border security
• Pro choice (men and women up to 20 weeks)
• America First when it comes to manufacturing
• Strong military - continued military spend, as it also helps the private sector
• Fracking - Energy independence
• Continued support for Israel
• Small Government
• Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability. If you're not an open platform you should not be regulated as such.
• Equality for all NOT Equity

I am Anti:

• Paris Accords - I like saving the environment but we should not be paying excess costs for this especially when Russia and China are the biggest polluters.
• Trans girls playing sports vs. biological girls. Unfair advantage.
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates - would increase unemployment, encourage corporate inversions.
• Nationalized Healthcare but support a revamping of the current healthcare system. Make it more like auto insurance.
• Free college education - make it affordable by forcing colleges who charge significantly high tuition if the graduate cannot garner a job sufficient to pay that loan. Watch how quickly they stop charging $70k per year for sociology majors.
• Letting China off the hook for COVID-19 and for consistently stealing trade secrets and trying to undermine our economy.
• Doing anything with Iran until they admit they fund terror groups and cease that practice.
• Biased Media (need to be held accountable - unsure as to how)
• Censorship of any and all kinds.
• Defund the Police.
• Green New Deal
• Making PR and DC states
• Packing the Court
• Belief the Country is Systemically racist

So now I am the minority? Scary

Actually, based on the votes cast, the people want TRUMP! out of office, but want Quid Pro Joe to have limited power so he cannot unilaterally enact his agenda.

Depends on how the GA senate race goes

Great point, without Dumpster on the ballot? My team wins!

Your team? Party over country again. Pretty sad.

So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never?

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Ooops. Now what? When was the last time you made a logical and or factual statement?

you didn't vote for bernie 'cause you liked/agreed with his policies ... you wanted him to get the nomination because you figured donny would beat him bigley.

I voted for him because of my hatred for Elizabeth Warren. But that was not what he asked. He asked when was the last time, didn't ask for a reason. Yes or no?

he asked:

' So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never? '

without having to ask for a reason - because it was implied, based on his & your posting history - that he was asking when was the last time you voted for a (D) based on (D) policies/platform. mass has an open primary?

I like Zog (truly) and we had some decent exchanges.
He's clearly educated and intelligent, but just couldn't be civil even after I responded respectfully.
Zog's idea of debate is to call people stupid.
Like most Trumpettes, dude is too damn grumpy all the time.

 

[jc456]

Sure, right after you list the accomplishments of Biden for 47 years in office.

I'm not the one touting he has any. You are with Trumpie.

I agree, Biden has nothing to show for 47 years in Washington DC.

playtime name something Biden's done in 47 years?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

DJT garnered 10mil more votes than in 2016 but still lost or looks like will lose by ~7mil votes. So the country wants to go Socialist. So now I am the de-facto resistance? Why? Do 77mil really want to pack the court, make PR and DC states, fund the Green New Deal, censor people they disagree with and support massive tax hikes??!!? Say it ain't so Joe.

I am pro the following:

• 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms
• Enhanced border security
• Pro choice (men and women up to 20 weeks)
• America First when it comes to manufacturing
• Strong military - continued military spend, as it also helps the private sector
• Fracking - Energy independence
• Continued support for Israel
• Small Government
• Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability. If you're not an open platform you should not be regulated as such.
• Equality for all NOT Equity

I am Anti:

• Paris Accords - I like saving the environment but we should not be paying excess costs for this especially when Russia and China are the biggest polluters.
• Trans girls playing sports vs. biological girls. Unfair advantage.
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates - would increase unemployment, encourage corporate inversions.
• Nationalized Healthcare but support a revamping of the current healthcare system. Make it more like auto insurance.
• Free college education - make it affordable by forcing colleges who charge significantly high tuition if the graduate cannot garner a job sufficient to pay that loan. Watch how quickly they stop charging $70k per year for sociology majors.
• Letting China off the hook for COVID-19 and for consistently stealing trade secrets and trying to undermine our economy.
• Doing anything with Iran until they admit they fund terror groups and cease that practice.
• Biased Media (need to be held accountable - unsure as to how)
• Censorship of any and all kinds.
• Defund the Police.
• Green New Deal
• Making PR and DC states
• Packing the Court
• Belief the Country is Systemically racist

So now I am the minority? Scary

Actually, based on the votes cast, the people want TRUMP! out of office, but want Quid Pro Joe to have limited power so he cannot unilaterally enact his agenda.

Depends on how the GA senate race goes

Great point, without Dumpster on the ballot? My team wins!

Your team? Party over country again. Pretty sad.

So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never?

I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Ooops. Now what? When was the last time you made a logical and or factual statement?

you didn't vote for bernie 'cause you liked/agreed with his policies ... you wanted him to get the nomination because you figured donny would beat him bigley.

I voted for him because of my hatred for Elizabeth Warren. But that was not what he asked. He asked when was the last time, didn't ask for a reason. Yes or no?

he asked:

' So when was the last time you voted for a Dem - Half past never? '

without having to ask for a reason - because it was implied, based on his & your posting history - that he was asking when was the last time you voted for a (D) based on (D) policies/platform. mass has an open primary?

I like Zog (truly) and we had some decent exchanges.
He's clearly educated and intelligent, but just couldn't be civil even after I responded respectfully.
Zog's idea of debate is to call people stupid.
Like most Trumpettes, dude is too damn grumpy all the time.

If the shoe fits.....

 

[jc456]

Take cuts for the rich...caused an explosion in employment.
Trade War with China...Did you cry when we sent our jobs to China and millions of US citizens lost their professions, families and homes?

I will not discuss further with someone who lives on another continent.

That one day you'll have to pay back.
Automation is more of an issue than jobs going to China. And it was those GoP supporting CEOs who wanted their bonuses by saving their shareholders money that are responsible for sending those jobs overseas.

Yeah, not a bad idea. I'm sick of kicking your worthless arse.

no it's not. not at all. you are very mistaken.

 

[DrLove]

Sounds like you voted for the wrong guy to me.
Joe Biden is:

• Pro 2nd amendment
• For border security
• Pro choice
• Supports American manufacturing
• Strong military
• Fracking - Doesn’t have the power to affect off federal land even if you don’t believe his tolerance of this dirty mining technique
• Continued support for Israel
• Smart Government
• Supports Gay Marriage/LGB Rights
• Big Tech accountability for weeding out lies and misinformation
• Equal access to the American dream
• Paris Accords - Biden is pro environment but not pro-stupid actions, supports Paris accord
• Increase in corporate and personal tax rates for those over $400k in earnings
• Healthcare reform by shoring up access to private insurance.
• Affordable college education - eliminate support of “for profit” universities and offer public service debt reduction options
• Smart China trade
• Smart Iran monitoring and sanctions
• Free Press
• Against Censorship of any and all kinds which includes censoring protests of disgusting points of view
• Against “Defund the Police.”
• Against “Green New Deal” but crafted a more moderate version inspired by it
• Biden hasn’t issued support for PR or DC statehood although I’d like to see it
• Biden doesn’t support Packing the Court although I’d like to see it
• Believes systemically racism still lingers and voting access in 2020 is perfect example - See Michigan’s short term contesting of just Detroit votes - racist assholes.

accept he said on the debate stage he's eliminating oil.

Biden Says He Will Eliminate the Oil Industry

townhall.com

"Would you close down the oil industry?" Trump asked Biden.

"I would transition from the oil industry, yes," Biden answered.

"Why would you do that?" the moderator asked.

"Because the oil industry pollutes significantly," Biden elaborated.

Does Biden support transitioning to clean energy? Yep. But you as you can see from his environmental plan it’s about investing in a gradual path to oil independence.

• Eliminate carbon pollution from power plants by 2035
• net-zero greenhouse gas emissions for all new buildings by 2030
• Back California’s statutory authority under the Clean Air Act to set its own emissions standards for cars and trucks
• Support private adoption of affordable low-pollution and zero-emission vehicles with the goal of installing at least 500,000 public charging stations across the nation.
• Investment in a cleaner, equitable and globally competitive manufacturing sector
• Work with farmers to make the American agriculture sector the first in the world to achieve net-zero emissions.
• Support the advancement of technologies that help industries decarbonize including carbon capture and advanced nuclear — areas that are often featured in Republican-penned climate-change initiatives.
• Recommit the U.S. to the voluntary Paris Climate Agreement as well as create and strengthen other international commitments on climate and pollution.

https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/UNITY-TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pdf

Yep, slow and steady Joe. One foot in front of the other. For the life of me, I don't understand how anyone can care about the planet and the legacy they leave their children, and oppose ANY of these things.

 

[DrLove]

More loyal? I have two kids. Love em both equally. You would not understand. Awful decisions like allowing people like you have a vote?

Not sure why you keep dragging your family into arguments when no one was talking about them.

Point is, you put the interest of Israel above that of America.

Always have.

ISRAEL FIRST!

 

[jc456]

It doesn't really matter WHY they want to do it, it's a matter of what's FAIR.

define fair. I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting on this one. oh wait, I've been waiting for four years, the needles are in my ass now.

 

[jc456]

More loyal? I have two kids. Love em both equally. You would not understand. Awful decisions like allowing people like you have a vote?

Not sure why you keep dragging your family into arguments when no one was talking about them.

Point is, you put the interest of Israel above that of America.

Always have.

never heard of concentration camps have you?