So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

[bodecea]

"In marked contrast to the continuing Republican investigations of President Clinton, the Democrats eight years ago cooperated with Republicans in shutting down substantive inquiries that implicated President George H.W. Bush in a variety of geopolitical scandals

What a steaming pile of shit. Goddamn but you progressives are some ******* liars.

The leftists spent $65 million on a witch-hunt with the Iran/Contra bullshit.

"Cooperated" my ass.

I guess you're going for the "big lie" technique there.

Walsh Iran / Contra Report

Big lie my ass. The Democrats once again held up the rug for the Republicans to sweep their dirt under. What did they get in return? Stabbed in the back as usual, never trust a psuedo-conservative, they'll stab you in the back as soon as the possibly can.

Witchhunt?

Selling missiles to the terrorist in Iran in hopes that they would help in the release of hostages taken in Lebannon? Turn the profits over to the Contra's. Allowing the Contras to import tonnes of Cocaine into this country to finance their terrorist activities? No criminal activity there. Move along public......

Clinton shut it down before President Bushes role became public.

I love how Uncensored seems to support Iran-Contra, a totally illegal act that helped the Iranians and the nun-killers and drug dealers in Central America.

 

[BlindBoo]

I thought the Democrats supported the Iraq war, isn't that what you clowns have tried to sell for the last 8 years?

Yes, it is...

You leftist supported GOING INTO the Iraq war. Once we were there, you started with the attacks and bullshit.

Kind of the opposite of me. I loudly opposed going in, but once we did, I shut up and supported our troops.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Most liberals did not support invading and occupying Iraq. Most of the world opposed the US invasion of Iraq as well.

You sound just like Bill Mahr. Once the fighting started he hope for a swift and successful operation. Of course the invasion was a sucess. The occupation, well it caused the three way civil war (but shit nobody's perfect (sarcasm)).

 

[Vanquish]

Liberals wanted us OUT of the war. OUT. OUT. Barry Oblammy ran on getting us OUT.

WTF.

 

[Cal]

I didn't even get passed the first page. Obviously, if you read Liberal blogs, you'd know people are calling Obama out with just as much furor as they did Bush over Iraq. When have we ever had a member of the President's own party say something they did may be an 'impeachable offense'? I surely don't remember a Republican doing that to Bush!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Neither one of Bush's wars (I support the war in Afghanistan 100% for the record), were DECLARED wars-as written in the constitution.

Just because Bush went to congress, doesn't mean congress declared war (they haven't since WW2). Now we've obviously been to war since WW2-but we've never declared it.

If someone's logic is Obama is disregarding the constitution because congress hasn't declared war yet-therefore Libya is constitutional-that's fine. But that means every single military assualt/war since WW2 has been unconstitutional.

I do agree with you we have absolutely no business in Libya.

And to be fair "da booooosh" as you like to throw around-had a VERY different view on foreign policy than Ron Paul does. You can't brush all Democrats, or Republicans with a broad brush when it comes to foreign policy/wars.

I never claimed War was declared. In fact if they had gone that route,we likely wouldn't be in the messes we're currently in. The process of declaring War is the lawful and right way to go. These Foreign Interventions are completely out of control. My point was that DA BOOOOOOSH did go to Congress for authorization on both Afghanistan and Iraq. I would have liked this President to have gone the same route on this Intervention. It's always wise to go to Congress for debate and authorization. But Declaring War is actually the right way to go if you still believe in our Constitution.

I Agree declaring war is the right way to go in the constitution.

But you said "My point was that DA BOOOOOOSH did go to Congress for authorization on both Afghanistan and Iraq. I would have liked this President to have gone the same route on this Intervention.".

This obviously is not the same as declaring war-which you stated was the right thing to do (and I agree). You can't it both ways. You can't say declaring war is the right way to go constitutionally-then say Obama should have done what Bush did-and that's get authorization from Congress.

That constitution mentions nothing about the president needing authorization from Congress to start a war. Nothing. It simply states that congress has the power "to declare war", Article 1 Section 8.

If you want to go strictly by the constitution what Bush did was also unconstitutional. There's no getting around that. Period.

Yes,all Wars that are conducted without official declaration could be labelled Unconstitutional. I don't have a problem with that. So what Bush did could certainly be called Unconstitutional. I'm not defending Bush. But he at least did go to Congress for some kind of authorization for Afghanistan & Iraq. This current Intervention should have been presented to our Congress for debate. But as i said earlier,official declaration of War is the lawful and right way to go. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to ever happen though. Politicians love these Foreign Interventions. We're the World's Policeman/Referee after all.

 

[sinister59]

I thought the Democrats supported the Iraq war, isn't that what you clowns have tried to sell for the last 8 years?

Yes, it is...

You leftist supported GOING INTO the Iraq war. Once we were there, you started with the attacks and bullshit.

Kind of the opposite of me. I loudly opposed going in, but once we did, I shut up and supported our troops.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Most liberals did not support invading and occupying Iraq. Most of the world opposed the US invasion of Iraq as well.

You sound just like Bill Mahr. Once the fighting started he hope for a swift and successful operation. Of course the invasion was a sucess. The occupation, well it caused the three way civil war (but shit nobody's perfect (sarcasm)).[/onl;y because bush lied about WMDs
try look at facts and not your hate .

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

 

[High_Gravity]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

 

[sinister59]

He didn't initiated Jack. The UN did.

How did the UN initiate it? Did they fire the first missile? Drop the first bomb? Believe it or not, a resolution does not initiate anything.

BTW, Bush had UN resolutions backing his position, does that men he did not initiate anything?

I know you loons think the UN sucks, but us - who live in the real world - don't live and die by the thoughts/actions of a few. We take other opinions into consideration, and when they agree, do something about it. Unlike the last coalition of the willing that included such powerhouses as Albania and Slovenia, when the Brits, French AND Yanks agree on something, then its worth doing.

What do they agree on? Everyone one of them has a different goal.

Following a common geopolitical line is far better than some skewed neocon agenda designed to incorporate a New World order that will only benefit the greedy few...

Canada and the US want regime change, Britain and France want the oil, and the Arab League just wants Qaddafi to stay in Libya and leave them alone.

You are right, nothing beats a clear goal and a common geopolitical line.

ya right , we did it all .

 

[Robert]

LOL Look at the Facts wow....So the facts in this case are extremely easy to understand the Left came completely unhinged at Bush taking out Saddam with the consent of Congress and 49 nations supporting us.

The Left has been completely silent on Obama's attack a sovereign Nation of Libya in the attempt to take out the Nut there without the Consent of congress and what 3 nations supporting the effort now those nation are starting to walk away.

What's extremely apparent here is the blatant hypocrisy of the Left and those from where I sit are the fact's.

You leftist supported GOING INTO the Iraq war. Once we were there, you started with the attacks and bullshit.

Kind of the opposite of me. I loudly opposed going in, but once we did, I shut up and supported our troops.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Most liberals did not support invading and occupying Iraq. Most of the world opposed the US invasion of Iraq as well.

You sound just like Bill Mahr. Once the fighting started he hope for a swift and successful operation. Of course the invasion was a sucess. The occupation, well it caused the three way civil war (but shit nobody's perfect (sarcasm)).[/onl;y because bush lied about WMDs
try look at facts and not your hate .

 

[sinister59]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

if you can think about it , Iraq was reclaiming land that the UN made up a country to occupy it so maybe bush sir was wrong .
whats your excuse for jr. ?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

 

[High_Gravity]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

Saddam massacred the **** out of his people, he gassed the Kurds and he slaughtered them and the Shia after the Gulf War in 1991, they found ******* mass graves of the victims. If our rational for this is we are trying to stop Ghaddafi from killing his people, why did we miss the bus with Saddam when he did much worse?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Left/Democrats gave Bush Sr. bloody hell for Gulf War I. In fact they whined about that one for many many years after. That War was UN Mandated to remove Iraq from Kuwait. Now look at these same Left/Democrats cheerleading for bombing & killing Libyans. Hey at least Gulf War I was waged to remove Hussein's invading forces from Kuwait. This Libyan conflict is a Civil War though. Gaddafi has never invaded any Nations.

So the people who supported the Iraq Wars had a much stronger argument than the supporters of this War do. Hussein was gassing his people and invading other Nations. Gaddafi is absolutely no threat to our country and has never been hostile to his neighbors. We just decided to get involved with their Civil War. And i'm pretty sure their Oil had a little something to do with that decision. We have no business bombing Libyans who are in the middle of a Civil War. Those who are cheerleading for this action are just wrong. That's how i see it anyway.

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

We had no business invading Iraq in 1991. That was a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait; Kuwait was not our 'ally' in any relevant sense of the word.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

Saddam massacred the **** out of his people, he gassed the Kurds and he slaughtered them and the Shia after the Gulf War in 1991, they found ******* mass graves of the victims. If our rational for this is we are trying to stop Ghaddafi from killing his people, why did we miss the bus with Saddam when he did much worse?

Well they're saying that their Oil has absolutely nothing to do with these Bombings. Supposedly it's all about the poor suffering Libyan People. Yea i think i've heard that argument a time or two in the past. Not very original stuff there. It's a Civil War. WTF are we doing getting involved? It really is fucked up.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Gulf War 1 had a clear objective, remove Saddam from Kuwait. What is the objective here? Obama says he doesn't want to kill Ghaddafi yet we bombed the **** out of his house, I'm confused?

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

We had no business invading Iraq in 1991. That was a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait; Kuwait was not our 'ally' in any relevant sense of the word.

I didn't say i supported that Intervention,i just said i could see some kind of argument for it. Kuwait was an ally and did ask for our help. Yet the Left/Democrats went completely ballistic over it. They bitched about Gulf War I for years after. Now they're all suddenly big cheerleaders for bombing & killing Libyans. It's just so shallow & hypocritical on their part. This is a Civil War. Why are we involved at all?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought the Democrats supported the Iraq war, isn't that what you clowns have tried to sell for the last 8 years?

Yes, it is...

You leftist supported GOING INTO the Iraq war. Once we were there, you started with the attacks and bullshit.

Kind of the opposite of me. I loudly opposed going in, but once we did, I shut up and supported our troops.

That would be a lie. Most Democrats voted against the Iraq war authorization; most liberals were against it.

You are ignorant of the facts.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

We had no business invading Iraq in 1991. That was a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait; Kuwait was not our 'ally' in any relevant sense of the word.

I didn't say i supported that Intervention,i just said i could see some kind of argument for it. Kuwait was an ally and did ask for our help. Yet the Left/Democrats went completely ballistic over it. They bitched about Gulf War I for years after. Now they're all suddenly big cheerleaders for bombing & killing Libyans. It's just so shallow & hypocritical on their part. This is a Civil War. Why are we involved at all?

Why would say all liberals support the Libyan action as you're talking to a liberal that you know doesn't support it,

other than the obvious reason that you're apparently mentally handicapped...

 

[bodecea]

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

We had no business invading Iraq in 1991. That was a dispute between Iraq and Kuwait; Kuwait was not our 'ally' in any relevant sense of the word.

I didn't say i supported that Intervention,i just said i could see some kind of argument for it. Kuwait was an ally and did ask for our help. Yet the Left/Democrats went completely ballistic over it. They bitched about Gulf War I for years after. Now they're all suddenly big cheerleaders for bombing & killing Libyans. It's just so shallow & hypocritical on their part. This is a Civil War. Why are we involved at all?

You seem to remember a totally different Gulf War I than I do....but then again, I was in the Navy at the time and our command was over in that area doing OTH targetting.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yea i remember the Left/Democrats ripping Bush Sr. 24/7 during Gulf War I. And they were still ripping him for it decades after. At least that War made a little sense. Hussein did invade an ally of ours. So i can see some kind of argument for Intervention there. Yet the Left/Democrats went ballistic. This a Libyan Civil War. I just don't see any argument that would convince me that it's ok to bomb and kill Libyans. The Left/Democrats are just wrong on this. And their dishonesty & hypocrisy is astounding. Why are we in the middle of Libya's Civil War? I just don't get it.

Saddam massacred the **** out of his people, he gassed the Kurds and he slaughtered them and the Shia after the Gulf War in 1991, they found ******* mass graves of the victims. If our rational for this is we are trying to stop Ghaddafi from killing his people, why did we miss the bus with Saddam when he did much worse?

Well they're saying that their Oil has absolutely nothing to do with these Bombings. Supposedly it's all about the poor suffering Libyan People. Yea i think i've heard that argument a time or two in the past. Not very original stuff there. It's a Civil War. WTF are we doing getting involved? It really is fucked up.

I'm curious when US Cruise Missiles and fighter jets will be on their way to Bahrain, Yemen and Syria.