So, is the left denouncing Obama's "unlawful" war in Libya?

[Truthmatters]

This is a UN action based on keeping Lybian people alive.

The iraq war was NOT a UN action and the UN refused to join.

Bush did it anyway.

For people to pretend it is the same is complete dishonesty

 

[The T]

This is a UN action based on keeping Lybian people alive.

The iraq war was NOT a UN action and the UN refused to join.

Bush did it anyway.

For people to pretend it is the same is complete dishonesty

Just nevermind that Iraq ignored all the UN Resolutions against them...

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

 

[LibocalypseNow]

How bout we just not bomb and kill anyone in Libya? I know this is a crazy idea but how bout we give it a shot anyway? Hmm?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Also,this current Foreign Intervention wasn't even presented to Congress for debate or authorization. I just don't understand how American Citizens can approve of this stuff. Our Congress & People should be involved in deciding whether or not we should be involved with these Bombings. It just doesn't matter that the UN wants to Bomb the Shit out of Libya. Our Congress & People should decide on our possible involvement. Our Constitution comes first. Not the UN. If you want to declare War on Libya,than go for it. Just take it up in Congress for debate & authorization. UN Mandates do not take precedent over our Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong.

 

[SgtMeowenstein]

Page after page of two-faced dishonesty from the right. If Obama hadn't participated in the UN action, the right would call him weak; but since he has, the only response they can come up with - indeed, the only response they must come up with - is to call him a hypocrite, when it is clear to any honest person that the true hypocrites are the right with their continuous squawking and outright lies.

 

[Truthmatters]

The right seems to have nothing left but dishonesty to defend their failed ideas

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Page after page of two-faced dishonesty from the right. If Obama hadn't participated in the UN action, the right would call him weak; but since he has, the only response they can come up with - indeed, the only response they must come up with - is to call him a hypocrite, when it is clear to any honest person that the true hypocrites are the right with their continuous squawking and outright lies.

He may not be a hypocrite but he is wrong.

 

[Truthmatters]

This is a UN action based on keeping Lybian people alive.

The iraq war was NOT a UN action and the UN refused to join.

Bush did it anyway.

For people to pretend it is the same is complete dishonesty

Just nevermind that Iraq ignored all the UN Resolutions against them...

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

Did the UN join Bush in Iraq?


Why do you pretend they did?

 

[Care4all]

Also,this current Foreign Intervention wasn't even presented to Congress for debate or authorization. I just don't understand how American Citizens can approve of this stuff. Our Congress & People should be involved in deciding whether or not we should be involved with these Bombings. It just doesn't matter that the UN wants to Bomb the Shit out of Libya. Our Congress & People should decide on our possible involvement. Our Constitution comes first. Not the UN. If you want to declare War on Libya,than go for it. Just take it up in Congress for debate & authorization. UN Mandates do not take precedent over our Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong.

Please show us where WAR WAS DECLARED without congress....there is no war declared, there is a no fly zone being put in to place, just as the nofly zone was put in place against Saddam for nearly 10 years BEFORE Bush declared war against Iraq.

I do agree that if we do decide to go to war against Libya with troops on the ground, then we MUST have a vote to go to war in Congress with 2/3's voting yea, in order for it to meet constitutional muster.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yes,we must kill Libyans to save Libyans and Gaddafi is definitely worse than Saddam Hussein and these Bombings have absolutely nothing to do with Oil. Yea ok,whatever. Same ole Same ole in the end. Both the Socialists/Progressives and Neocons are soo full of CHIT. I just wish we had an alternative to both. That's what this country desperately needs. We need to boot them both.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Also,this current Foreign Intervention wasn't even presented to Congress for debate or authorization. I just don't understand how American Citizens can approve of this stuff. Our Congress & People should be involved in deciding whether or not we should be involved with these Bombings. It just doesn't matter that the UN wants to Bomb the Shit out of Libya. Our Congress & People should decide on our possible involvement. Our Constitution comes first. Not the UN. If you want to declare War on Libya,than go for it. Just take it up in Congress for debate & authorization. UN Mandates do not take precedent over our Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong.

Please show us where WAR WAS DECLARED without congress....there is no war declared, there is a no fly zone being put in to place, just as the nofly zone was put in place against Saddam for nearly 10 years BEFORE Bush declared war against Iraq.

I do agree that if we do decide to go to war against Libya with troops on the ground, then we MUST have a vote to go to war in Congress with 2/3's voting yea, in order for it to meet constitutional muster.

War has not been declared. And that's my point. Also,a "No Fly Zone" is War. And even Interventions like "No Fly Zones" should be presented to our Congress for debate and authorization. That hasn't even happened this time around. The UN does not take precedent over our sovereignty and Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong and i don't understand why so many Americans just go along. It really is very sad.

 

[washamericom]

Resolution 1441 stated that Iraq was in material breach of the ceasefire terms presented under the terms of Resolution 687. Iraq's breaches related not only to weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the known construction of prohibited types of missiles, the purchase and import of prohibited armaments, and the continuing refusal of Iraq to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by its troops during the 1991 invasion and occupation. It also stated that "...false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."

america speaks with one voice: As the Iraqis hunker down for an invasion, the U.S. Congress has voted to give President Bush the power to unilaterally attack Iraq. Just before the House took its roll call vote a protester cried out. Minutes later Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio tried to have the vote delayed by putting forward an amendment to send the resolution back to committee. Several Congress members including California’s Barbara Lee supported him. Kucinich’s amendment was defeated. The House then voted 296-133 to give President Bush the power to unilaterally invade Iraq.

Myths About Presidential Power (Political Myths Debunked)
there's other good stuff here too.

saddam would not disarm or give up his weapons of mass destruction. who does that remind you of ?

 

[The T]

Also,this current Foreign Intervention wasn't even presented to Congress for debate or authorization. I just don't understand how American Citizens can approve of this stuff. Our Congress & People should be involved in deciding whether or not we should be involved with these Bombings. It just doesn't matter that the UN wants to Bomb the Shit out of Libya. Our Congress & People should decide on our possible involvement. Our Constitution comes first. Not the UN. If you want to declare War on Libya,than go for it. Just take it up in Congress for debate & authorization. UN Mandates do not take precedent over our Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong.

Please show us where WAR WAS DECLARED without congress....there is no war declared, there is a no fly zone being put in to place, just as the nofly zone was put in place against Saddam for nearly 10 years BEFORE Bush declared war against Iraq.

I do agree that if we do decide to go to war against Libya with troops on the ground, then we MUST have a vote to go to war in Congress with 2/3's voting yea, in order for it to meet constitutional muster.

War has not been declared. And that's my point. Also,a "No Fly Zone" is War. And even Interventions like "No Fly Zones" should be presented to our Congress for debate and authorization. That hasn't even happened this time around. The UN does not take precedent over our sovereignty and Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong and i don't understand why so many Americans just go along. It really is very sad.

*Reality*

 

[Care4all]

Also,this current Foreign Intervention wasn't even presented to Congress for debate or authorization. I just don't understand how American Citizens can approve of this stuff. Our Congress & People should be involved in deciding whether or not we should be involved with these Bombings. It just doesn't matter that the UN wants to Bomb the Shit out of Libya. Our Congress & People should decide on our possible involvement. Our Constitution comes first. Not the UN. If you want to declare War on Libya,than go for it. Just take it up in Congress for debate & authorization. UN Mandates do not take precedent over our Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong.

Please show us where WAR WAS DECLARED without congress....there is no war declared, there is a no fly zone being put in to place, just as the nofly zone was put in place against Saddam for nearly 10 years BEFORE Bush declared war against Iraq.

I do agree that if we do decide to go to war against Libya with troops on the ground, then we MUST have a vote to go to war in Congress with 2/3's voting yea, in order for it to meet constitutional muster.

War has not been declared. And that's my point. Also,a "No Fly Zone" is War. And even Interventions like "No Fly Zones" should be presented to our Congress for debate and authorization. That hasn't even happened this time around. The UN does not take precedent over our sovereignty and Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong and i don't understand why so many Americans just go along. It really is very sad.

We had the "no fly zone" UN resolution in effect for 10 years before the Bush administration decided to go to war... a "no fly zone" is not a war....congressional intelligence committees were kept abreast and notified of the un resolution that we as a country was going to support....

I personally think that the entire congress should have been involved, others on this site like Samson, say this would be foolish....I dunno?

 

[Sarah G]

It isn't unlawful, he didn't lie his way into it like Bush did.

This is not a war that will drone on forever and drain the taxpayers dry in this country either. It is the world stepping in and putting an end to the tyranny and senseless executions in Libya.

 

[kiwiman127]

^^^

This Thread Rocks!!!!

the spin is making me dizzy.

Yeah, there is spin and lots of it, but that's what happens when you get two opposite ideologies discussing one thing.

 

[kiwiman127]

This is a UN action based on keeping Lybian people alive.

The iraq war was NOT a UN action and the UN refused to join.

Bush did it anyway.

For people to pretend it is the same is complete dishonesty

Just nevermind that Iraq ignored all the UN Resolutions against them...

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

And Israel had/has ignored many, many more! So what's your point?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Please show us where WAR WAS DECLARED without congress....there is no war declared, there is a no fly zone being put in to place, just as the nofly zone was put in place against Saddam for nearly 10 years BEFORE Bush declared war against Iraq.

I do agree that if we do decide to go to war against Libya with troops on the ground, then we MUST have a vote to go to war in Congress with 2/3's voting yea, in order for it to meet constitutional muster.

War has not been declared. And that's my point. Also,a "No Fly Zone" is War. And even Interventions like "No Fly Zones" should be presented to our Congress for debate and authorization. That hasn't even happened this time around. The UN does not take precedent over our sovereignty and Constitution. These kinds of Foreign Interventions are just wrong and i don't understand why so many Americans just go along. It really is very sad.

We had the "no fly zone" UN resolution in effect for 10 years before the Bush administration decided to go to war... a "no fly zone" is not a war....congressional intelligence committees were kept abreast and notified of the un resolution that we as a country was going to support....

I personally think that the entire congress should have been involved, others on this site like Samson, say this would be foolish....I dunno?

"No Fly Zones" = War. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. Regardless,the UN does not take precedent over our sovereignty and Constitution. Our Congress & People should be involved with deciding whether or not to engage in these kinds of Foreign Interventions. It doesn't matter what the UN mandates. Everything should go through our Congress first. Personally I'm with Dr. Paul when he says official War Declarations should be fully debated before taking action. These Foreign Interventions have gotten out of control. That's how i see it anyway.

 

[Truthmatters]

dishonesty abounds on the right

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since there is clearly a divide among USMB liberals in supporting or opposing this action in Libya,

it might be at least an iota of a gesture of intellectual honesty for some of you nuts on the right to cease with the broad brush.

It's so rare that y'all have differing opinons on anything that it'll be hard to put that brush down but I'll give it a shot.

This is classic rightwingery - they decided ahead of time that Liberals were all going to support Obama, because that is what the Right wanted them to do in order to make the hypocrisy angle fly. Now the myth is in place and the Rightwing herd is running with it.

btw, have you noticed how many conservatives here are refusing to state their own position on the ACTUAL ISSUE?

You wonder why that is??