So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore

[struth]

Your and your comrades' continual defiance of the law and lying about it, like #78 above, is why the GOP will be defeated every time from now on until it bows to the law.

This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.
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United States Department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1663-protection-…

1663. Protection Of Government Property -- Protection Of Public Records …​

i’m not lying the PRA is not part of the criminal code

 

[struth]

It’s only punishable if it’s intentional and knowing removal.

very true…evidkce to support that intent would be things like if you hide the documents for years in your own files you label “personal” or if you put them on an illegal server

 

[Marener]

very true…evidkce to support that intent would be things like if you hide the documents for years in your own files you label “personal” or if you put them on an illegal server

The length of time the documents are retained has little to do with intent if they’re stored in files and boxes that aren’t being examined.

If they were found in a desk draw surrounded by passports or contemporaneous paperwork, that would be different.

 

[struth]

The length of time the documents are retained has little to do with intent if they’re stored in files and boxes that aren’t being examined.

If they were found in a desk draw surrounded by passports or contemporaneous paperwork, that would be different.

of course rot can show intent…it shows an intent to hide them

if someone did something by mistake they’d try to fix it ASAP, like trump did

yes xiden hiding rhe in his private office among personal items stuffed in a file he labeled personal certainly doesn’t help his case…along with the time…it doesn’t look good for xiden

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

i’m not lying the PRA is not part of the criminal code

... but violations of it can, and have, been punished under the criminal code. Trump will be convicted and punished.

 

[struth]

... but violations of it can, and have, been punished under the criminal code. Trump will be convicted and punished.

violations of rhe criminal code can be punished

not violations of rhe PRA

haha wishful thinking…

 

[Marener]

of course rot can show intent…it shows an intent to hide them

if someone did something by mistake they’d try to fix it ASAP, like trump did

yes xiden hiding rhe in his private office among personal items stuffed in a file he labeled personal certainly doesn’t help his case…along with the time…it doesn’t look good for xiden

Biden did try to rid the mistake by alerting the DoJ and searching all properties within days and returning everything that was found.

Trump was the one who demonstrated he was unwilling to correct a mistake as it took over 8 months for him to even begin to return documents requested by NARA.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

violations of rhe criminal code can be punished

not violations of rhe PRA

haha wishful thinking…

Violations of the PRA can be punished other violations of the criminal code.

You can cry and lie, but you are wrong.

 

[struth]

Violations of the PRA can be punished other violations of the criminal code.

You can cry and lie, but you are wrong.

no i am not the PRA is not part of the criminal code

sure someone. can violate other things that are part of the criminal code…but the PRA is not

try again

 

[struth]

Biden did try to rid the mistake by alerting the DoJ and searching all properties within days and returning everything that was found.

Trump was the one who demonstrated he was unwilling to correct a mistake as it took over 8 months for him to even begin to return documents requested by NARA.

a lie jo he didn’t…the person he hired that rated him out did

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

struth is trolling and lying, and apparently is practicing law in violation of his state stattues.

"The necessary measure of protection for government documents and records is provided by 18 U.S.C. § 2071. Section 2071(a) contains a broad prohibition against destruction of government records or attempts to destroy such records. This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.

There are several important aspects to this offense. First, it is a specific intent crime. This means that the defendant must act intentionally with knowledge that he is violating the law. See United States v. Simpson, 460 F.2d 515, 518 (9th Cir. 1972). Moreover, one case has suggested that this specific intent requires that the defendant know that the documents involved are public records. See United States v. DeGroat, 30 F. 764, 765 (E.D.Mich. 1887)."

1663. Protection Of Government Property -- Protection Of Public Records And Documents

www.justice.gov

 

[Marener]

a lie jo he didn’t…the person he hired that rated him out did

Irrelevant. Biden had a search performed of his properties to turn everything over.

Trump actively worked to prevent the error from being corrected. Biden did the opposite.

 

[struth]

Irrelevant. Biden had a search performed of his properties to turn everything over.

Trump actively worked to prevent the error from being corrected. Biden did the opposite.

1) yes he had a search to find all the stuff that was hidden for years after he was rated out…no he didn’t volunteer the stuff, he was told on.

2) haha he was actively working with the NA when the raid took place, he even allowed them in his house to look through the boxes. You are right xiden did the opposite he hide them for years and it was only discovered and discussed when he was rated out on and caught.

 

[Marener]

haha he was actively working with the NA when the raid took place, he even allowed them in his house to look through the boxes

These are lies.

 

[struth]

These are lies.

haha yes dembot cultist call facts lies a lot

 

[bodecea]

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore​

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore

townhall.com

11 Apr 2023 ~~ By Matt Vespa

The Biden White House is scrambling to conduct damage control as troves of classified materials about Russia and Ukraine were leaked online. Spokesperson John Kirby pleaded with the media not to cover these materials. That wasn’t heeded. But the overarching issue is mishandling classified materials and related leaks, which the liberal media tried to weaponize against Donald Trump when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. Then Joe Biden got caught leaving state secrets at multiple locations, including his Wilmington residence. The story met a quick death in the press and a slow-walking Department of Justice investigation that allegedly hung on the word of Biden’s personal attorneys. The endless cycle about classified materials, leaks, and their related dangers, all hyperbole, saturated the media to the point where we might have one that could impact national security, and no one cares (via The Guardian) [emphasis mine]:
~Snip~
The truth may be more worrying for the US and its allies than a Russian hack. The Washington Post cited a defence official as saying that many of the documents appear to have been put together over the winter for Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, and other top military leaders, but they were available to other US personnel and contractors with the right security clearances.
~Snip~
According to the most recent figures published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, there were 1.25 million people with clearance and access to read top secret material in the US government in 2019. The figures have not been made public since then, but nothing suggests they have significantly diminished. The Pentagon has said it is reviewing its access policy.

Numbers that big make it almost a statistical certainty that, at some point, incredibly damaging top secret material will fall into the hands of someone willing to leak it, perhaps for ideological reasons, like Edward Snowden, in the case of his revelation of US mass surveillance.
~Snip~
So, given the Left’s rules set post-Trump raid, will the FBI pay a visit to these 1.25 million people who have access to sensitive materials? Of course, that’s not going to happen, but it highlights once again how anything Trump-related is treated as an unprecedented event when it’s not. The Left’s myopia for most of their attacks on the former president has been nothing short of stunning, almost comical. The allegations of Trump mishandling classified materials were treated as an unprecedented event until Biden’s state secret snafu, which suddenly led to multiple stories about how everyone in DC leaked these documents since the Kennedy presidency. The number of times the liberal media has cried wolf has led to multiple flocks of sheep being slaughtered.


Commentary:
It would have been fine under President Hillary, it should be fine under Joe Biden.
According to John Kirby its no bi deal...
In all of the articles about this I haven’t heard one word about investigating and finding out who “leaked” the documents. Maybe I missed it but no one in the Biden administration seems to be in the least bit concerned about the leaks. No harshly worded promises to “get to the bottom of it.”
I'm sure that They'll appoint one of their chosen transgender geniuses to get to the bottom of this.

Funny how MAGAts don't get it.

 

[bodecea]

haha yes dembot cultist call facts lies a lot

Not facts...lies.

 

[struth]

Funny how MAGAts don't get it.

true, i’m sure they have a hard time “getting” the hypocrisy of rhe demafasict cult

 

[easyt65]

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore​

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore

townhall.com

11 Apr 2023 ~~ By Matt Vespa

The Biden White House is scrambling to conduct damage control as troves of classified materials about Russia and Ukraine were leaked online. Spokesperson John Kirby pleaded with the media not to cover these materials. That wasn’t heeded. But the overarching issue is mishandling classified materials and related leaks, which the liberal media tried to weaponize against Donald Trump when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. Then Joe Biden got caught leaving state secrets at multiple locations, including his Wilmington residence. The story met a quick death in the press and a slow-walking Department of Justice investigation that allegedly hung on the word of Biden’s personal attorneys. The endless cycle about classified materials, leaks, and their related dangers, all hyperbole, saturated the media to the point where we might have one that could impact national security, and no one cares (via The Guardian) [emphasis mine]:
~Snip~
The truth may be more worrying for the US and its allies than a Russian hack. The Washington Post cited a defence official as saying that many of the documents appear to have been put together over the winter for Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, and other top military leaders, but they were available to other US personnel and contractors with the right security clearances.
~Snip~
According to the most recent figures published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, there were 1.25 million people with clearance and access to read top secret material in the US government in 2019. The figures have not been made public since then, but nothing suggests they have significantly diminished. The Pentagon has said it is reviewing its access policy.

Numbers that big make it almost a statistical certainty that, at some point, incredibly damaging top secret material will fall into the hands of someone willing to leak it, perhaps for ideological reasons, like Edward Snowden, in the case of his revelation of US mass surveillance.
~Snip~
So, given the Left’s rules set post-Trump raid, will the FBI pay a visit to these 1.25 million people who have access to sensitive materials? Of course, that’s not going to happen, but it highlights once again how anything Trump-related is treated as an unprecedented event when it’s not. The Left’s myopia for most of their attacks on the former president has been nothing short of stunning, almost comical. The allegations of Trump mishandling classified materials were treated as an unprecedented event until Biden’s state secret snafu, which suddenly led to multiple stories about how everyone in DC leaked these documents since the Kennedy presidency. The number of times the liberal media has cried wolf has led to multiple flocks of sheep being slaughtered.


Commentary:
It would have been fine under President Hillary, it should be fine under Joe Biden.
According to John Kirby its no bi deal...
In all of the articles about this I haven’t heard one word about investigating and finding out who “leaked” the documents. Maybe I missed it but no one in the Biden administration seems to be in the least bit concerned about the leaks. No harshly worded promises to “get to the bottom of it.”
I'm sure that They'll appoint one of their chosen transgender geniuses to get to the bottom of this.

Not when Democrats do it.

 

[struth]

Not facts...lies.

haha nothing i said was a lie…but here’s your chance to rebut my post…