So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nope.

I curious as to what your experience with classified material is ? With your amazing well thought out response to my post I'm going to say it's fuck all.

 

[multivita-man]

I curious as to what your experience with classified material is ? With your amazing well thought out response to my post I'm going to say it's fuck all.

What's your experience with classified material? Be specific.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

What's your experience with classified material? Be specific.

I already stated what my experience was and will not get more specific than that. You however dodged so I'm going with my original assessment that you don't know shit.

I'm not a partisan hack like yourself I've stated in other posts that if Trump mishandled classified material it should be investigated and prosecuted if there is something there, but you loons jump through flaming hoops to excuse Biden and Clinton doing the same shit.

 

[multivita-man]

I already stated what my experience was and will not get more specific than that. You however dodged so I'm going with my original assessment that you don't know shit.

I'm not a partisan hack like yourself I've stated in other posts that if Trump mishandled classified material it should be investigated and prosecuted if there is something there, but you loons jump through flaming hoops to excuse Biden and Clinton doing the same shit.

Get specific. You first. You're talking about your classified bona fides on a public forum, and we wanna know more about it.

Get specific, lol.

p.s. Maybe not, on second thought.

 

[Billiejeens]

Hillary Clinton set the precedence for mishandling classified documents. She wasn't prosecuted because the DOJ ruled "she didn't intend to."

Democrats are not subject to US law.
They just aren't.

 

[Billiejeens]

And because they concluded she wasn't grossly negligent, either. This would typically mean willfully and systemically disregarding security protocol -- much different than what Trump is accused of doing.

Were you in a coma during those years?

 

[Billiejeens]

I just don't know what to think, except I don't this this should be partisan. We need to get our intel under control of our intel for our country, not our party.

Hey traitor.
Our intelligence agencies helped overthrow a sitting President so stuff your fake concern up your ass.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Get specific. You first. You're talking about your classified bona fides on a public forum, and we wanna know more about it.

Get specific, lol.

p.s. Maybe not, on second thought.

I served in the Army and managed email servers and networks I never mentioned when or where and not going to. You are still deflecting Clinton's use of an unsecured email server was a serious violation as a former First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State she knew what she was doing was wrong.

 

[Couchpotato]

So when Trump is indicted, you will be unhappy.

Trump was indicted. I didn’t much care and you’re trying to change the subject.

 

[mak2]

Hey traitor.
Our intelligence agencies helped overthrow a sitting President so stuff your fake concern up your ass.

Trump lost. Biden is your President. Say it with me, "President Biden is the President of my country."

 

[multivita-man]

I served in the Army and managed email servers and networks I never mentioned when or where and not going to. You are still deflecting Clinton's use of an unsecured email server was a serious violation as a former First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State she knew what she was doing was wrong.

Ok

 

[Rumpole]

Hillary Clinton set the precedence for mishandling classified documents. She wasn't prosecuted because the DOJ ruled "she didn't intend to."

You don't indict a former first lady/former secretary of state on three emails that contain the (C) confidential designator, noting that she cooperated fully with the Government. Defense counsel could knock that one out of the park on cross examination, and the prosecutors know it, hence they didn't indict her.

But that isn't the case with Trump. He willfully absconded with docs, went on TV and bragged that he is allowed to steal national defense information documents, and did precisely what he bragged about, and when the government wanted the documents back, he refused, forcing the government to issue a search warrant, which is obstruction. It is the obstruction that exposes him to legal jeopardy. The government apparently does not indict for mere possession, just as long as they return the documents when asked for them. Trump's description do not describe neither Pence nor Biden, both of whom cooperated fully with the government, and there is no evidence that either of them obtained the documents by any other means that inadvertently.

 

[mak2]

You don't indict a former first lady/former secretary of state on three emails that contain the (C) confidential designator, noting that she cooperated fully with the Government. Defense counsel could knock that one out of the park on cross examination, and the prosecutors know it, hence they didn't indict her.

But that isn't the case with Trump. He willfully absconded with docs, went on TV and bragged that he is allowed to steal national defense information documents, and did precisely what he bragged about, and when the government wanted the documents back, he refused, forcing the government to issue a search warrant, which is obstruction. It is the obstruction that exposes him to legal jeopardy. The government apparently does not indict for mere possession, just as long as they return the documents when asked for them. Trump's description do not describe neither Pence nor Biden, both of whom cooperated fully with the government, and there is no evidence that either of them obtained the documents by any other means that inadvertently.

But remember Trump was the only one who psychically declassified them. Messiahs can do such things.

 

[basquebromance]

Every president since Reagan has mishandled classified documents, National Archives says

“Document-level tracking in the executive branch in the White House Complex” does not exist, National Archives officials said.

nypost.com

/thread

 

[Viktor]

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore​

So, I Guess Mishandling Classified Materials Isn't a Big Deal Anymore

townhall.com

11 Apr 2023 ~~ By Matt Vespa

The Biden White House is scrambling to conduct damage control as troves of classified materials about Russia and Ukraine were leaked online. Spokesperson John Kirby pleaded with the media not to cover these materials. That wasn’t heeded. But the overarching issue is mishandling classified materials and related leaks, which the liberal media tried to weaponize against Donald Trump when they raided Mar-a-Lago last summer. Then Joe Biden got caught leaving state secrets at multiple locations, including his Wilmington residence. The story met a quick death in the press and a slow-walking Department of Justice investigation that allegedly hung on the word of Biden’s personal attorneys. The endless cycle about classified materials, leaks, and their related dangers, all hyperbole, saturated the media to the point where we might have one that could impact national security, and no one cares (via The Guardian) [emphasis mine]:
~Snip~
The truth may be more worrying for the US and its allies than a Russian hack. The Washington Post cited a defence official as saying that many of the documents appear to have been put together over the winter for Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, and other top military leaders, but they were available to other US personnel and contractors with the right security clearances.
~Snip~
According to the most recent figures published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, there were 1.25 million people with clearance and access to read top secret material in the US government in 2019. The figures have not been made public since then, but nothing suggests they have significantly diminished. The Pentagon has said it is reviewing its access policy.

Numbers that big make it almost a statistical certainty that, at some point, incredibly damaging top secret material will fall into the hands of someone willing to leak it, perhaps for ideological reasons, like Edward Snowden, in the case of his revelation of US mass surveillance.
~Snip~
So, given the Left’s rules set post-Trump raid, will the FBI pay a visit to these 1.25 million people who have access to sensitive materials? Of course, that’s not going to happen, but it highlights once again how anything Trump-related is treated as an unprecedented event when it’s not. The Left’s myopia for most of their attacks on the former president has been nothing short of stunning, almost comical. The allegations of Trump mishandling classified materials were treated as an unprecedented event until Biden’s state secret snafu, which suddenly led to multiple stories about how everyone in DC leaked these documents since the Kennedy presidency. The number of times the liberal media has cried wolf has led to multiple flocks of sheep being slaughtered.


Commentary:
It would have been fine under President Hillary, it should be fine under Joe Biden.
According to John Kirby its no bi deal...
In all of the articles about this I haven’t heard one word about investigating and finding out who “leaked” the documents. Maybe I missed it but no one in the Biden administration seems to be in the least bit concerned about the leaks. No harshly worded promises to “get to the bottom of it.”
I'm sure that They'll appoint one of their chosen transgender geniuses to get to the bottom of this.

If you read the Presidential Records Act, you will notice it prescribes no criminal penalties for violations. That means breaking those rules is not a crime at all. That means a forced search of the premises by police is illegal under the 4th amendment which allows searches only to uncover evidence of a crime.

Presidential Records Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Doc7505]

Umm,.you know you are purposely confusing "mishandled" with "stolen". Why do this? It harms your credibility. No agency or official can be responsible for foreign spying activities unless they were not practicing their due dilligence in trying to protect such documents. There is nothing to suggest that Biden had ANY role in this. Please guys, the stakes are high, let's not play extreme partisan politics 24/7.

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Removing classified material from a Senate SCIF is not mishandling. It is downright theft punishable by law. Presidents don't have those restrictions.

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

www.law.cornell.edu

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Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority

www.americanbar.org

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If you read the Presidential Records Act, you will notice it prescribes no criminal penalties for violations. That means breaking those rules is not a crime at all. That means a forced search of the premises by police is illegal under the 4th amendment which allows searches only to uncover evidence of a crime.

Presidential Records Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Be your own lawyer, Viktor, and you will go to jail for life. The PRA is enforceable and punishable under other provisions of the law as noted further above.

 

[struth]

Be your own lawyer, Viktor, and you will go to jail for life. The PRA is enforceable and punishable under other provisions of the law as noted further above.

the PRA is not part of the criminal code and violation of it is not a crime

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your and your comrades' continual defiance of the law and lying about it, like #78 above, is why the GOP will be defeated every time from now on until it bows to the law.

This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.

United States Department of Justice
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1663-protection-…

1663. Protection Of Government Property -- Protection Of Public Records …​

 

[Marener]

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Removing classified material from a Senate SCIF is not mishandling. It is downright theft punishable by law. Presidents don't have those restrictions.

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

www.law.cornell.edu

**********​

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority

www.americanbar.org

It’s only punishable if it’s intentional and knowing removal.