So, How Many of You Hope the Gaza Peace Plan Will Fail?

[Meathead]

We dont have to "hope". Israel is not satisfied with the result and will start bombing Gaza again, just like they did the last time.

Well, you're the first. Not surprising. I think a civil war in Gaza is a more likely scenario. I mean they already started killing each other so I can't imagine Israel intervening.

Winter's coming and a million people have to be housed and fed. If Gaza is deemed unsafe for aid to pour in, it'll be on them.

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel wants complete disarmament of Gaza and Hamas and zero role for Hamas in any future administrative role in Gaza.

This has not been accomplished.

Since Hamas has not been disarmed there is every reason to believe they Will initiate. If they do Israel will not stop

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, you're the first. Not surprising.

I literally just relayed Israel's current position and reminded everyone of what they did literally 6 months ago.

Winter's coming and a million people have to be housed and fed. If Gaza is deemed unsafe for aid to pour in, it'll be on them.

And if Israel is stopping people from giving them aid, that's on Israel.

You're either fine with that, or you aren't.

 

[marvin martian]

I'm relaying the position of Israel, ya brainwashed troll.

I know, and it pisses you off, right?

Hamas lost, you need to deal with it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Since Hamas has not been disarmed there is every reason to believe they Will initiate. If they do Israel will not stop

That won't matter. If Israel wants to do more, they wont even attempt that excuse.

 

[citygator]

OK, time to be honest. If Trump gets this done it'll be a crowning achievement. I know that TDS runs rampant among many here, but would you prefer a failure at the cost of continued war so that Trump could not get credit.

The Ukraine war and this Gaza war wont go on for 3 more years each so they will end under the current administration and all Trump needs to do is not die - which is no small feat.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I believe there was a lot of pressure from Gulf state allies for this, especially after Israel raised the states and attacked Qatar.

 

[Ava]

A "temporary calm" is how Victor Davis Hanson refers to President Trump's efforts towards achieving it. A ten point list. I will post effort number 7, for those interested.

[excerpt]

7. Trump was entirely transactional. Unlike the Biden administration, he did not libel the Saudis, or demonize Netanyahu, or take seriously any of the past proverbial empty “peace plans” of a corrupt UN or of terrified Europeans. He had no sooner destroyed Iran’s nuclear capability than he allowed a ceremonial but innocuous “hit” on a U.S. base in Qatar and then declared he wanted to “make Iran great again.” For someone who is supposedly mercurial, holds grudges, and is reckless, Trump was careful to treat all the major parties with deference and a clean slate and offered them trade and military deals rather than diplomatese and platitudes.

The Pieces of Trump’s Peace › American Greatness

What did Donald Trump do differently to obtain at least temporary calm in the Middle East compared to the failed efforts of past administrations, foreign powers, and the United Nations?

amgreatness.com

 

[Meathead]

I literally just relayed Israel's current position and reminded everyone of what they did literally 6 months ago.





And if Israel is stopping people from giving them aid, that's on Israel.

You're either fine with that, or you aren't.

You have no idea what Israel's current position is. The ball is in the Gazan court. It's their call.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have no idea what Israel's current position is.

I do, as they have publicly stated it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I believe there was a lot of pressure from Gulf state allies for this, especially after Israel raised the states and attacked Qatar.

And Israel encountered quite a different Trump from the one in summer 2024, when he told Israel to 'do what they want', while publicly criticizing the calls for a cease fire.

 

[Crepitus]

OK, time to be honest. If Trump gets this done it'll be a crowning achievement. I know that TDS runs rampant among many here, but would you prefer a failure at the cost of continued war so that Trump could not get credit.

I hope it succeeds.

I doubt it will, but I still hope.

 

[MarathonMike]

Hey, no one said it would be easy. I'm just curious if anybody with stage 5 TDS would step up and admit they want it to fail.

Of course not. The hardcore Trump Haters can't acknowledge his achievements because that is essentially admitting that they were wrong.

 

[Meathead]

I do, as they have publicly stated it.

Show us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Show us.

What, exactly? Be specific. Im not your assitant,and you really should inform yourself of the baseline facts before starting a thread on a topic.

If I have to do the work of maintaining your thread for you and informing you of the basic facts of the topic, then you need to be specific.

 

[Meathead]

What, exactly? Be specific. Im not your assitant,and you really should inform yourself of the baseline facts before starting a thread on a topic.

If I have to do the work of maintaining your thread for you and informing you of the basic facts of the topic, then you need to be specific.

You made the claim you know what Israel's CURRENT position is. Stop being such a ***** and show us.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel wants complete disarmament of Gaza and Hamas and zero role for Hamas in any future administrative role in Gaza.

This has not been accomplished.

Israel wants complete disarmament of Gaza

Israel has been trying to do that for two years.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You made the claim you know what Israel's CURRENT position is. Stop being such a ***** and show us.

I made a specific claim. And you dont even know what it is. I even explained it later.

Try to focus your thoughts. Big boy time.

I said Israel is not satisfied with Hamas's compliance with the deal so far. As they have publicly stated. This is easy for anyone to discern without public statements by israel, given Israel's prevjously and oublicly stated demands for the peace deal have not been met.

These include totpa.disarmament of Gaza and a complete rejection and freeze out of Hamas by any administrative body that is and will be working in Palestkne.

Where are you confused?

Bibi already made the public threat that the war in Gaza will continue, unless total disarmament occurs.

Hamas has refused this.

 

[Meathead]

I made a specific claim. And you dont even know what it is. I even explained it later.

Try to focus your thoughts. Big boy time.

I said Israel is not satisfied with Hamas's compliance with the deal so far. As they have publicly stated. This is easy for anyone to discern without pu lic statements by israel, given Israel's prevjously and oublicly stated demands for the peace deal have not been met.

Where are you confused? Mind you, I'm only willing to do so much work to hold your hand.

I literally just relayed Israel's current position...

FFS, stop being such a ***** and show us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Israel has been trying to do that for two years.

Yes, it's harder to take over an area and kick out all of its residents, when people are shooting at you.