So...Gay people had to die, before Muslims could get their message out?

[emilynghiem]

After the Orlando Shooting, a Muslim Man's Post Is Going Viral for the Best Reason
Claire Lampen,Mic 3 hours ago

Hours after a gunman opened fire early Sunday morning on an Orlando, Florida, gay nightclub, leaving at least 50 dead and 53 injured, the city’s blood donation centers wereflooded with volunteers.

Among those looking to help was Mahmoud ElAwadi, a self-described “a proud Muslim American” in the midst of a Ramadan fast who wrote about his experience in a Facebook post that’s gone viral.

ElAwadi described “watching thousands of people” bake in the sun for hours on end in order to donate blood. He was inspired, he said, watching people of all ages come together to help, from the kids handing out fluids and food and sun protection to the war veterans to a Muslim woman in a hijab distributing supplies to those waiting to donate.

That’s what makes this “the greatest nation on Earth,” he wrote.

“Yes together we will stand against hate, terrorism, extremism and racism," ElAwadi wrote. "Yes our blood all look the same so get out there and donate.

"Yes our community in central Florida is heartbroken but let’s put our colors, religions, ethnicity, sexual orientation, political views all aside so we can UNITE against those who are trying to hurt us.”

He tagged his post “feeling determined.”

Shortly after Omar Mateen was named as the suspected shooter, reports surfaced he had ties to the Islamic State group, which has since claimed responsibility for the attacks on the Pulse nightclub. The link has prompted a surge in Islamophobic sentiment.
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When Bush spoke in defense of Muslim Americans and leaders, he was rejected and demonized by the religious right. The media would not push that.

When Obama speaks in defense of Muslims, he is jumped on as lying about his beliefs and promoting propaganda.

Maybe with this incident, people will finally see the difference between hateful warmongering terrorist "Jihadists" (where many Muslims don't even recognize this word because this is so far removed and foreign to the teachings they commit to) and the true meaning and faith of Muslims in America and worldwide who are killed the same way by Islamic/"Jihadist" terrorists.

I am speechless, just in shock and not even reacting to this yet,
that "gay people had to die" before people will make this distinction more public.
Some people still don't get it. Just so sad, sorry and shocked it's come to this.

If any violent group had been attacked this would start a war.
But because the people who were targeted are part of community known for peaceful civil activism,
we have a chance at peace in response to this attack.

I just can't believe it had to happen this way.
My prayers to all those impacted by this and the aftermath.

Even if there are fights, arguments and real nastiness projecting blame where it doesn't belong,
let us work through these issues in honor of all those who have
lost their lives before us, and seek all means of making peace
for the rest of our lives, and sake of generations to follow us.

Let us honor those who live and die for not going along or giving in to terrorism.
Thank you and so sorry for everything that has happened here!

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

 

[emilynghiem]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

Divide and conquer kills.
Had the United States split off into warring states, we'd all lose our strength of numbers.

Lack of due process kills.
Judging and condemning people, cutting them off and killing relations
without a proper process for proving guilt or innocence
is what the TERRORISTS do, Steve_McGarrett

Yes, you can fight Terrorists on their territory and subject them to their own rules,
so if they don't respect due process they don't get it under their regimes.

But here in America, we are supposed to teach and enforce due process.
Not become like the oppressors we fight so hard to free people and nations from.

 

[Grandma]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

^ ^ ^ Asshole way of thinking.

Emily's right. TrannySteve is wrong.

Lock the thread.

 

[emilynghiem]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

^ ^ ^ Asshole way of thinking.

Emily's right. TrannySteve is wrong.

Lock the thread.

Keep the thread open. Let in diversity. We need to talk not cut each other off.

 

[S.J.]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

 

[emilynghiem]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

 

[Katzndogz]

Isn't what those peaceful muslims are doing in Europe understandable?

Muslims get worried when we get their number. The op ranks up there with check is in the mail and of course I'll still love you.

 

[S.J.]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

Which is always the case. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[emilynghiem]

Isn't what those peaceful muslims are doing in Europe understandable?

Muslims get worried when we get their number. The op ranks up there with check is in the mail and of course I'll still love you.

Dear Tipsycatlover As far as I can see,
anyone who is truly conniving and plotting hides in secret.
And the ones who are public, make it CLEAR what side they are on.

Have you ever met and talked with Muslims in person?
the ones with an agenda or something to hide, red flags go up,
just like how you can tell the mean spirited Christian fundamentalists
from the truly forgiving humble and gentle ones. (But even with those
with a grudge and bias, if you are open about your beliefs and speech, they
will come RIGHT OUT and say what their issues are and won't hide them either.
transparency is mutual, so if they have something to hide they run and hide.)

When I spoke over the phone with a Grand Dragon of the Klan
they couldn't give too much information about where to find them.

But whenever I speak and meet with Mustafaa Carroll of CAIR
he is as transparent as you can be, and I have met with his
wife and son who are an absolutely lovely family. There is nothing
to hide when you are an honest person. It is obvious.

 

[emilynghiem]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

Which is always the case. Wake up and smell the coffee.

S.J. where have we ENCOURAGED black leaders to teach Constitutional
laws the way Ted Cruz teaches and enforces it, even going against his own party when they sell out?

No, our media divides people politically by party and
slams either the Obama's and Pastors on the left as thugs
or the Ben Carson's and Allen West's on the right as Uncle Toms.

That is NOT "inclusion and respecting diversity"

You and I agree on the problem, but we don't agree on the solution.
I say to reverse this divide, we need to UNITE not divide more!

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

^ ^ ^ Asshole way of thinking.

Emily's right. TrannySteve is wrong.

Lock the thread.

Open the borders. Let in diversity. We need to talk not cut each other off.

Getting a bit carried away there, we'd be letting in more terrorists, and losing more jobs to border jumpers if we did that. We're already open to legal citizens, and it needs to stay that way.

 

[emilynghiem]

Diversity and multiculturalism kills.

^ ^ ^ Asshole way of thinking.

Emily's right. TrannySteve is wrong.

Lock the thread.

Open the borders. Let in diversity. We need to talk not cut each other off.

Getting a bit carried away there, we'd be letting in more terrorists, and losing more jobs to border jumpers if we did that. We're already open to legal citizens, and it needs to stay that way.

^ I meant on the thread, in response to Grandma saying to close it off ^

 

[emilynghiem]

OK S.J.
I am saying proper practice of cultural diversity
means including you and Constitutionalists.

I am saying your REJECTION of diversity
evokes and incites the "equal and opposite reaction of rejecting YOU"

So if you keep wanting to cut someone else off,
the more they cut you off and it doesn't work.

Can we agree on what terms we mean by multiculturism?
If you mean censoring and excluding your culture or politics,
that is NOT what I mean.

Let's agree on common terminology first, shall we?

What do you call the difference between true due process
of laws and free speech that includes yours,
vs. the PC type of politically controlled and censored
media that is one sided.

If you and I both use the word multicultural to mean two OPPOSITE
things we will keep fighting and arguing in circles.

what is your term for INCLUSIVE and treating all sides equally in input and decisions?
what is your term for EXCLUDING OPPOSITION and abusing power by rejecting you or others unfairly?

 

[Katzndogz]

Isn't what those peaceful muslims are doing in Europe understandable?

Muslims get worried when we get their number. The op ranks up there with check is in the mail and of course I'll still love you.

Dear Tipsycatlover As far as I can see,
anyone who is truly conniving and plotting hides in secret.
And the ones who are public, make it CLEAR what side they are on.

Have you ever met and talked with Muslims in person?
the ones with an agenda or something to hide, red flags go up,
just like how you can tell the mean spirited Christian fundamentalists
from the truly forgiving humble and gentle ones. (But even with those
with a grudge and bias, if you are open about your beliefs and speech, they
will come RIGHT OUT and say what their issues are and won't hide them either.
transparency is mutual, so if they have something to hide they run and hide.)

When I spoke over the phone with a Grand Dragon of the Klan
they couldn't give too much information about where to find them.

But whenever I speak and meet with Mustafaa Carroll of CAIR
he is as transparent as you can be, and I have met with his
wife and son who are an absolutely lovely family. There is nothing
to hide when you are an honest person. It is obvious.

I know many, many muslims. I have known muslims for decades. They lie like rugs. But they do it so well. It's a pleasure to listen to them. When a muslim lies, it's the whole package. They will look you right in the eye, take your hand and grip it for emphasis. They are still lying. As long as you can accept that, they are quite enjoyable.

 

[S.J.]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

Which is always the case. Wake up and smell the coffee.

S.J. where have we ENCOURAGED black leaders to teach Constitutional
laws the way Ted Cruz teaches and enforces it, even going against his own party when they sell out?

No, our media divides people politically by party and
slams either the Obama's and Pastors on the left as thugs
or the Ben Carson's and Allen West's on the right as Uncle Toms.

That is NOT "inclusion and respecting diversity"

You and I agree on the problem, but we don't agree on the solution.
I say to reverse this divide, we need to UNITE not divide more!

Me too, but try getting them to do it. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[emilynghiem]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

Which is always the case. Wake up and smell the coffee.

S.J. where have we ENCOURAGED black leaders to teach Constitutional
laws the way Ted Cruz teaches and enforces it, even going against his own party when they sell out?

No, our media divides people politically by party and
slams either the Obama's and Pastors on the left as thugs
or the Ben Carson's and Allen West's on the right as Uncle Toms.

That is NOT "inclusion and respecting diversity"

You and I agree on the problem, but we don't agree on the solution.
I say to reverse this divide, we need to UNITE not divide more!

Me too, but try getting them to do it. It ain't gonna happen.

Dear S.J. I think you answer your own question.
If you seek to divide by cutting out other people from the other direction,
then this division is NOT unity.

You cannot create or encourage unity by enforcing division between you and them.

The same reason they fail by cutting you out,
you fail, and I would fail by doing that equally.

That's why we can't bring it about yet.
We'd all have to start pulling together and quit this division
and bullying by coercion or exclusion. Both sides are guilty.

 

[S.J.]

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

If you do it wrong by leaving people out or pitting one against the other.
Sure I agree S.J. we don't want this abused to oppress or exclude people which is the antithesis.

If you do it right, you teach the benefits and BEST of all cultures.

So if European heritage led to the BEST system of Constitutional govt
you teach that to all the minority groups and political parties so
we all benefit from learning the rules and how to enforce them.

So we don't have abuses, crime or corruption if everyone
knows the rules and how they work to check abuses of power!

Which is always the case. Wake up and smell the coffee.

S.J. where have we ENCOURAGED black leaders to teach Constitutional
laws the way Ted Cruz teaches and enforces it, even going against his own party when they sell out?

No, our media divides people politically by party and
slams either the Obama's and Pastors on the left as thugs
or the Ben Carson's and Allen West's on the right as Uncle Toms.

That is NOT "inclusion and respecting diversity"

You and I agree on the problem, but we don't agree on the solution.
I say to reverse this divide, we need to UNITE not divide more!

Me too, but try getting them to do it. It ain't gonna happen.

Dear S.J. I think you answer your own question.
If you seek to divide by cutting out other people from the other direction,
then this division is NOT unity.

You cannot create or encourage unity by enforcing division between you and them.

The same reason they fail by cutting you out,
you fail, and I would fail by doing that equally.

That's why we can't bring it about yet.
We'd all have to start pulling together and quit this division
and bullying by coercion or exclusion. Both sides are guilty.

I think you're overlooking one minor thing, Emily. One side isn't interested in pulling together, they're only interested in killing every one of us. Feel free to try to reason with them and give group hugs if you want. I'll keep an ample supply of ammunition handy.

 

[westwall]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

No. Political correctness is. Multiculturalism is fine. We all come from different cultures and we should honor them all. However, when a person moves here they must also follow the culture of this country, which is one of tolerance and acceptance.

 

[S.J.]

Divide and conquer kills.

Multiculturalism is the preferred method of dividing and conquering.

No. Political correctness is. Multiculturalism is fine. We all come from different cultures and we should honor them all. However, when a person moves here they must also follow the culture of this country, which is one of tolerance and acceptance.

How do you figure that? Immigrants can do and say anything they want when they come here, it's only white people that are likely to vote Republican who are held to the standard of political correctness. Excuses are made for every intolerant immigrant who comes here and wants to live by the laws THEY'RE accustomed to. We have to be tolerant toward them but they don't have to be tolerant toward us.