So democrats do in fact advocate socialism

[Mr.Nick]

Calling BS.

Got any evidence to refute my assertion?

I got plenty to back it up.

Refute it with evidence or shut the **** up.

I don't see any totalitarian rule in Germany, so? Provide evidence it is, or shut your pie hole~~

No Germany is just authoritarian..

But yeah, Mao, Stalin, HITLER, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Ho Chi Minh...

Want more??

 

[Mr.Nick]

A "tit tax"


it would only be fair

Don't entice the democrats....

 

[SFC Ollie]

Got any evidence to refute my assertion?

I got plenty to back it up.

Refute it with evidence or shut the **** up.

I don't see any totalitarian rule in Germany, so? Provide evidence it is, or shut your pie hole~~

No Germany is just authoritarian..

But yeah, Mao, Stalin, HITLER, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Ho Chi Minh...

Want more??

Germany also pays a lot more taxes than we do. A LOT more.

 

[Sallow]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

And it's socialist.

What part of that are you having trouble with.

The Brits used a partially privatized army in the revolution.

Hessians.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I don't see any totalitarian rule in Germany, so? Provide evidence it is, or shut your pie hole~~

No Germany is just authoritarian..

But yeah, Mao, Stalin, HITLER, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Ho Chi Minh...

Want more??

Germany also pays a lot more taxes than we do. A LOT more.

I suppose thats the whole point...

 

[Middleoftheroad]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Here we go with the bullshit..

A leftist will call a woman breastfeeding her child socialism just to defend the model.

please refute how this is bullshit. Tell me how a government forcing a parent to force their children to go to school then taxing them on it to pay for those schools is not socialism? It is simply accepted socialism.
And the breastfeeding analogy makes no sense, unless you are suggesting that the government forces parents to breastfeed to some how help the economy? I was unaware that the government forces people to breastfeed, and have absolutely no clue on how it will help the economy.

 

[Mr.Nick]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

And it's socialist.

What part of that are you having trouble with.

The Brits used a partially privatized army in the revolution.

Hessians.

The United States is an all volunteer military..

One could argue the draft is socialism.

In the strong majority of socialist nations "serving" is mandatory.

 

[Mr.Nick]

This is kinda a stupid thread, just about everyone advocate for socialism in one way or another, the difference? How much of it you advocate for. Even conservatives like some of it, such as public funding for schools, even Ron Paul with his plan to subsidize schooling through a tax credit (hr 1056) is still a form of socialism, i.e. more and better education will help people to get better jobs and contribute more to the economy. That is politicians "planning" how the economy should be built from the bottom, laying a framework for it. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, the conservative stand point should be "we don't care if you kids go to school or not, its your choice, and we will not fund it at ANY level."
Also police, fire, and military is more socialism.
So to respond to the thread title "So democrats do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, but also you can say "So conservatives do in fact advocate socialism" yeap they sure do, just not as much as democrats.

Here we go with the bullshit..

A leftist will call a woman breastfeeding her child socialism just to defend the model.

please refute how this is bullshit. Tell me how a government forcing a parent to force their children to go to school then taxing them on it to pay for those schools is not socialism? It is simply accepted socialism.
And the breastfeeding analogy makes no sense, unless you are suggesting that the government forces parents to breastfeed to some how help the economy? I was unaware that the government forces people to breastfeed, and have absolutely no clue on how it will help the economy.

Kids aren't forced to go to public school...

Parents can home school their kids.

You're right though, that is socialism and I'm against the public school system. That's where they brainwash children to become like you.

 

[Oddball]

Well, so much for liberoidals denying that they're socialistic.

why would anyone? we have been socialistic nation since the founding. The battle has always been to what extent do we want it to be.

So now, the framers of the Constitution were socialists!?!?!??

what-*******-EVER!

 

[Sallow]

Never did understand how the military is socialism.

The Military is simply the military.

And it's socialist.

What part of that are you having trouble with.

The Brits used a partially privatized army in the revolution.

Hessians.

The United States is an all volunteer military..

One could argue the draft is socialism.

In the strong majority of socialist nations "serving" is mandatory.

No it isn't.

They are paid professionals. Complete with benefits.

Paid for by the collective use of funds from the government.

And in previous wars..like WWII and Vietnam..serving was mandatory.


Or..

Socialism.

The initial idea was less "socialistic". Militia was entirely voluntary. That's changed.

 

[Sallow]

Well, so much for liberoidals denying that they're socialistic.

why would anyone? we have been socialistic nation since the founding. The battle has always been to what extent do we want it to be.

So now, the framers of the Constitution were socialists!?!?!??

what-*******-EVER!

Yep.

 

[rightwinger]

Here we go with the bullshit..

A leftist will call a woman breastfeeding her child socialism just to defend the model.

please refute how this is bullshit. Tell me how a government forcing a parent to force their children to go to school then taxing them on it to pay for those schools is not socialism? It is simply accepted socialism.
And the breastfeeding analogy makes no sense, unless you are suggesting that the government forces parents to breastfeed to some how help the economy? I was unaware that the government forces people to breastfeed, and have absolutely no clue on how it will help the economy.

Kids aren't forced to go to public school...

Parents can home school their kids.

You're right though, that is socialism and I'm against the public school system. That's where they brainwash children to become like you.

All in all it's just another brick in the wall.....


Yea, let's eliminate free public school education for all Americans. Is there any faster way to bring the US to third world status?

 

[Sallow]

Here's an idea...If Euroweenie socialism is so great, move the **** to Romania or Spain.

The link is self-explanatory.

Ah so you are going to cherrypick what nations to use for your example.
I figured you would that hack route.

And again i figured that was your point, which makes it a ******* moronic thing to suggest to get rid of everything.

People like you have no place in governing.

Then move to the socialist worker's Utopia of your choice, tovarich.

Looter thugs like you have no place voting.

Heh.

Truth comes out.

Picking and choosing who votes.

Got it.

It's not right wing anarchy anymore.

It's just your plain old right wing oligarchy.

 

[Middleoftheroad]

Here we go with the bullshit..

A leftist will call a woman breastfeeding her child socialism just to defend the model.

please refute how this is bullshit. Tell me how a government forcing a parent to force their children to go to school then taxing them on it to pay for those schools is not socialism? It is simply accepted socialism.
And the breastfeeding analogy makes no sense, unless you are suggesting that the government forces parents to breastfeed to some how help the economy? I was unaware that the government forces people to breastfeed, and have absolutely no clue on how it will help the economy.

Kids aren't forced to go to public school...

Parents can home school their kids.

You're right though, that is socialism and I'm against the public school system. That's where they brainwash children to become like you.

1st never said they had to go to public school. But they are required to go to school, whether its public private or home. So that we can have a better life and contribute more to society how dare they?!
And then you say I'm brainwashed when obviously my mind is more open then yours because I had to explain twice before you could understand it, and then finally you agreed with me. Brainwashed = seeing the truth? Hmm doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Your right though, the public school I went to (private christian school) here in this left wing nut job state (texas) was teaching everyone that school is socialism.

 

[Oddball]

1st never said they had to go to public school. But they are required to go to school, whether its public private or home. So that we can have a better life and contribute more to society how dare they?!

Lots and lots of criminals have attended gubmint schools....Do they equally share the blame for that?

 

[Middleoftheroad]

1st never said they had to go to public school. But they are required to go to school, whether its public private or home. So that we can have a better life and contribute more to society how dare they?!

Lots and lots of criminals have attended gubmint schools....Do they equally share the blame for that?

Its the parents job to teach their children to not break the laws. Its also the parents job to dictate how well they do in school.

 

[Mr.Nick]

please refute how this is bullshit. Tell me how a government forcing a parent to force their children to go to school then taxing them on it to pay for those schools is not socialism? It is simply accepted socialism.
And the breastfeeding analogy makes no sense, unless you are suggesting that the government forces parents to breastfeed to some how help the economy? I was unaware that the government forces people to breastfeed, and have absolutely no clue on how it will help the economy.

Kids aren't forced to go to public school...

Parents can home school their kids.

You're right though, that is socialism and I'm against the public school system. That's where they brainwash children to become like you.

1st never said they had to go to public school. But they are required to go to school, whether its public private or home. So that we can have a better life and contribute more to society how dare they?!
And then you say I'm brainwashed when obviously my mind is more open then yours because I had to explain twice before you could understand it, and then finally you agreed with me. Brainwashed = seeing the truth? Hmm doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Your right though, the public school I went to (private christian school) here in this left wing nut job state (texas) was teaching everyone that school is socialism.

No, I understood you the first time - your brainwashed brain is just backtracking now.

You cant think for yourself....

You're brainwashed into groupthink - thats why you find the likes of Ayn Rand so threatening. Those ideas threaten your brainwashing.

I must say "brainwashing" isn't the correct terminology - programming is.

Brainwashing implies you had previous knowledge that has been washed - you're just a victim of sadistic lunatics.

 

[Oddball]

1st never said they had to go to public school. But they are required to go to school, whether its public private or home. So that we can have a better life and contribute more to society how dare they?!

Lots and lots of criminals have attended gubmint schools....Do they equally share the blame for that?

Its the parents job to teach their children to not break the laws. Its also the parents job to dictate how well they do in school.

Nice punt.

 

[Oddball]

Ah so you are going to cherrypick what nations to use for your example.
I figured you would that hack route.

And again i figured that was your point, which makes it a ******* moronic thing to suggest to get rid of everything.

People like you have no place in governing.

Then move to the socialist worker's Utopia of your choice, tovarich.

Looter thugs like you have no place voting.

Heh.

Truth comes out.

Picking and choosing who votes.

Got it.

It's not right wing anarchy anymore.

It's just your plain old right wing oligarchy.

Voting is not now, nor ever has been, a right.

You want to live as a subject of The State, it behooves you to GTFO and leave those of us who want to live as free men alone.

 

[shintao]

I don't see any totalitarian rule in Germany, so? Provide evidence it is, or shut your pie hole~~

No Germany is just authoritarian..

But yeah, Mao, Stalin, HITLER, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Ho Chi Minh...

Want more??

Germany also pays a lot more taxes than we do. A LOT more.

They are paying 42%, and they get a whole lot more benefits than we do and work less hours in a week. And the tax is closer than you think. In Germany when you buy a home, you are taxed one time. Here it is a yearly ritual of thosands of dollars. Free medical, full wage retirements. Job training, and placement into apprentiships. Housing.