So Climatechangevangelistas... if global warming was caused by fossil fuels what damage are wind turbines?

Fossil fuels remain indispensable for producing all of these materials.

Some 85% of all plastics are based on simple molecules derived from natural gas and crude oil, and hydrocarbons also supply energy for syntheses
The world now produces annually about :
  • 4.5 billion tons of cement,
  • 1.8 billion tons of steel,
  • nearly 400 million tons of plastics, and
  • 180 million tons of ammonia.

We will need more plastics to fix wind turbine blade. Micro plastics are contaminating our farmlands. Leading edge blade erosion.
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My point was OP remarking about it’s contribution global warming, which isn’t true.
Yet you are wrong. To begin with the $300 trillion cost is spent on the largest heavy industrial project the world has ever created.

The biggest industey creates the most CO2 and pollution
 
Yet you are wrong. To begin with the $300 trillion cost is spent on the largest heavy industrial project the world has ever created.

The biggest industey creates the most CO2 and pollution
The oil industry is many times the size of the wind turbine industry. I showed you the numbers. But, you're right. The oil industry and its products create the most CO2 and pollution.
 
Crick, the energy density of wind is miniscule. Bigger wind turbines do not change the facts.

What is a fact is today I am working on a Fusion reactor for MIT
And just as current nuclear plants are "fission" based, "Fusion" reactors will still cost at least the
current estimate for a fission as costs of $7 billion to build a nuclear power plant to replace a fossil fuel plant:U.S. nuclear industry - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Either fission today or fusion tomorrow to replace the 3,400 fossil fuel plants that provide 60% of our electricity or 2,505,000,000,000 kWh
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
A nuclear fission plant produces 1 gigawatt (GW) of electricity means we still need 2,505 nuclear plants.
Cost that we all will pay for directly or indirectly: $17,535,000,000,000 !
AGAIN to fulfill Biden's dumb ass comment: "guarantee to rid fossil fuels" will cost you and I directly or indirectly at 127 million household $138,071 directly or indirectly!
 
The oil industry is many times the size of the wind turbine industry. I showed you the numbers. But, you're right. The oil industry and its products create the most CO2 and pollution.
I'm still trying to get someone to answer this question.
We assume according to climatechangevangelistas... the climbing world temperature is caused by fossil fuels that the idiot has guaranteed to rid fossil fuels.
Question: If current 422.52 ppm CO2 levels are so bad, tell me why according to the experts...
"Concentrations of CO 2 in the atmosphere were as high as 4,000 ppm during the Cambrian period about 500 million years ago,"
Were fossil fuel emissions 500 million years ago the cause of over 9 times CO2 ppm i.e. 4,000???
 
Yet you are wrong. To begin with the $300 trillion cost is spent on the largest heavy industrial project the world has ever created.

The biggest industey creates the most CO2 and pollution…,
…if you run them the badly.. There’s nothing in wind-energy generation that leads to detrimental environmental effects in the long term.

#CLEANENERGY
 
…if you run them the badly.. There’s nothing in wind-energy generation that leads to detrimental environmental effects in the long term.

#CLEANENERGY
"nothing in wind-energy"... The jury is still out on the detrimental effects.
Common sense would say if you disturb the wind flow on a massive scale as The wind farm, also called the Gansu Wind Farm, will consist of 7,000 wind turbines.
A separate study led by researchers from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in 2020 found that the large-scale installation of wind and solar power plants in northwestern China would lead to a rise in the near-surface temperature and precipitation


Data from a meteorological field campaign show that such
wind farms can significantly affect near-surface air temperatures.
These effects result from enhanced vertical mixing due to turbulence generated by wind turbine rotors.
Modeling studies agree that wind farms can significantly affect local-scale meteorology (6, 7). However, these studies are based only on model simulations and are not validated against observational evidence
There were regions of warming and cooling of about 0.5°C, and increases and decreases in precipitation by a few percent. A followup paper showed that these changes were mostly a result of changes in wind direction caused by the wind turbines
 
"nothing in wind-energy"... The jury is still out on the detrimental effects.
Common sense would say if you disturb the wind flow on a massive scale as The wind farm, also called the Gansu Wind Farm, will consist of 7,000 wind turbines.
A separate study led by researchers from the Chinese Academy of Sciences in 2020 found that the large-scale installation of wind and solar power plants in northwestern China would lead to a rise in the near-surface temperature and precipitation


Data from a meteorological field campaign show that such
wind farms can significantly affect near-surface air temperatures.
These effects result from enhanced vertical mixing due to turbulence generated by wind turbine rotors.
Modeling studies agree that wind farms can significantly affect local-scale meteorology (6, 7). However, these studies are based only on model simulations and are not validated against observational evidence
There were regions of warming and cooling of about 0.5°C, and increases and decreases in precipitation by a few percent. A followup paper showed that these changes were mostly a result of changes in wind direction caused by the wind turbines
You believe humans can change the climate?

#AGW
 
You believe humans can change the climate?

#AGW
Of course... known as "climate change"... but the actual deterioration being totally due to human use of fossil fuels is an overestimation on part of climatechangevangelistas accelerated by the truly uninformed biased America hating MSM! I just want balanced information and not politically biased.
 
Of course... known as "climate change"... but the actual deterioration being totally due to human use of fossil fuels is an overestimation on part of climatechangevangelistas accelerated by the truly uninformed biased America hating MSM! I just want balanced information and not politically biased.
You didn’t actually say anything, except to expose YOUR biases.

#AGWISREAL
 
Crick, the energy density of wind is miniscule. Bigger wind turbines do not change the facts.
Please explain what denominator your are using in your "energy density" as there are a number of possibilities. The one I just used: energy vs land usage is one, but there are others and we need to know which one you're talking about.
What is a fact is today I am working on a Fusion reactor for MIT
Man, you need to seek medical help.

OR

What is a fact is that this morning I took a shit and just before I flushed it I said to myself "That looks EXACTLY like some of elektra's irrelevant boasting.

OR

Raking the gravel in the construction crew's new temporary parking lot?
 
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Please explain what denominator your are using in your "energy density" as there are a number of possibilities. The one I just used: energy vs land usage is one, but there are others and we need to know which one you're talking about.

Man, you need to seek medical help.

OR

What is a fact is that this morning I took a shit and just before I flushed it I said to myself "That looks EXACTLY like some of elektra's irrelevant boasting.

OR

Raking the gravel in the construction crew's new temporary parking lot?
FACTS is that ok?

  • A 2004 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that “large-scale use of wind power can alter local and global climate by extracting kinetic energy and altering turbulent transport in the atmospheric boundary layer.”
  • In a 2010 study, University of Illinois researcher Somnath Roy found that wind farms affect temperatures and humidity near the surface.
  • A 2011 Purdue study found increased temperatures at the surface as a result of wind farms, as did a 2016 study in Scotland.
  • A 2018 study in Joule estimated that generating the United States’ electricity demand with wind power would warm surface temperatures by 0.24 degrees celsius, which is nearly one-fourth of the amount of warming the globe has seen since 1800.

 
FACTS is that ok?

  • A 2004 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that “large-scale use of wind power can alter local and global climate by extracting kinetic energy and altering turbulent transport in the atmospheric boundary layer.”
  • In a 2010 study, University of Illinois researcher Somnath Roy found that wind farms affect temperatures and humidity near the surface.
  • A 2011 Purdue study found increased temperatures at the surface as a result of wind farms, as did a 2016 study in Scotland.
  • A 2018 study in Joule estimated that generating the United States’ electricity demand with wind power would warm surface temperatures by 0.24 degrees celsius, which is nearly one-fourth of the amount of warming the globe has seen since 1800.

Empirical observations can be considered potential facts, but conclusions drawn from them are evidence, not proof.

No one has ever suggested that wind turbines were not extracting kinetic energy from moving air or that they would not produce turbulence and mixing.

A few excerpts from some of your studies:

Specifically, we discovered that operational wind turbines raised air temperature by 0.18 °C and absolute humidity (AH) by 0.03 g m−3 during the night, and increased the variability in air, surface and soil temperature throughout the diurnal cycle. Further, the microclimatic influence of turbines on air temperature and AH decreased logarithmically with distance from the nearest turbine.


The data show that as wind passes throughout the wind farm, the air warms during the overnight and early morning hours and cools during daytime hours. Observed lower humidity rates and higher evaporation rates downwind also demonstrate that the air dries out as it travels through the wind farm. Further research over multiple seasons is necessary to examine the effects of warmer nighttime temperatures and drier conditions progressively downwind of the installation. Nevertheless, wind turbines did not negatively affect local weather patterns in our small-scale research and may actually prevent frost, which could have important positive implications for farmers by potentially prolonging the growing season.


For the same generation rate, the climatic impacts from solar photovoltaic systems are about ten times smaller than wind systems. Wind's overall environmental impacts are surely less than fossil energy. Yet, as the energy system is decarbonized, decisions between wind and solar should be informed by estimates of their climate impacts.

Wind power does not add more heat to the atmosphere—wind turbines redistribute heat by mixing and alter large-scale flows both which can change climate.

Results depend on the spatial distribution and density of wind turbines. We assumed that the windiest areas would be exploited and that developers would use low turbine densities to maximize per-turbine generation. Based on simulated results with higher turbine densities, doubling the turbine density over an area half as large as the benchmark scenario might generate almost the same power as the benchmark scenario, while increasing warming over this smaller region by only about a third.

In agreement with observations and prior model-based analyses, US wind power will likely cause non-negligible climate impacts. While these impacts differ from the climate impacts of GHGs in many important respects, they should not be neglected. Wind's climate impacts are large compared with solar PVs. Similar studies are needed for offshore wind power, for other countries, and for other renewable technologies. There is no simple answer regarding the best renewable technology, but choices between renewable energy sources should be informed by systematic analysis of their generation potential and their environmental impacts.

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Please explain what denominator your are using in your "energy density" as there are a number of possibilities. The one I just used: energy vs land usage is one, but there are others and we need to know which one you're talking about.

Man, you need to seek medical help.

OR

What is a fact is that this morning I took a shit and just before I flushed it I said to myself "That looks EXACTLY like some of elektra's irrelevant boasting.

OR

Raking the gravel in the construction crew's new temporary parking lot?
Yep, I am working on a Fusion reactor.

Energy density, there is none in wind or sunlight
 
Yep, I am working on a Fusion reactor.

Energy density, there is none in wind or sunlight
Has NASA picked you to captain the next moon crew? Has the RNC been asking about teaching Trump to speak? Have you discovered that when you said "energy density" you had no idea what it actually meant?
 
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