Slade3200
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I’m not going to keep repeating myself. The definitions of racist and discrimination includes unjust treatment. If an action is justified because of wrong doing then it isn’t as you describe. You like to ignore that point but that doesn’t mean it isn't there.Race discrimination implies unjust actions. If an oppressed group is singled out to rectify wrongs done tot hem then those actions are just so that would not be racist discriminationYou are contradicting yourself. You acknowledge that white recurved asvantages through our legal system to gain wealth, power and employment that blacks could not because of a racist legal system. But then you call laws put in place to fix some of the damage those laws caused, racist discrimination against whites. I’m sorry but that’s bullshit. Racist discrimination is defined as unjust. Given our history and disgusting racist elements of our society those laws were more than justified. And just because those loses have been in place for 50 years that doesn’t mean all is good. We can debate that sure, but the fact you call those laws racist and unjust just shows that you don’t understand why they are justified. It would be my argument that your attitude and perspective clearly shows why those laws are just and why they should still be in place. We have come a long way since the civil rights act but there are still many people like you who just don’t get it... we still have a long way to goYou reject my pretense because you lack comprehension of the effects of history. Yes many white people suffered during WW1 and the depression. Many poor white immigrants moved here woth nothing. Imagine that experience while also being oppressed as a Black in America. You’re completely out of touch if you don’t think past generations impact future generations. How many family’s built a business and then passed it along to their kids? How many kids went to the same school as their parents. Or even had the opportunity to go to college? How many kids got a job at their fathers company or through a contact that their father had? How many kids Inherited houses and wealth from their parents? The answer is many white families and few to no blacks if we are looking back generations. That’s because Blacks were not legally given the ability or opportunity to build anything. How are you not processing this? This isn’t political it’s just facts and historyYour lack of comprehension is really starting to make me question if my time is being well spent talking to you. You are comparing yourself a white person and the way your grandfather was treated with the systemic oppression of an entire race of people. You can’t cherry pick and compare these situations like that. The things I’m say are not even really debatable. When you have generations of black families systematically oppressed, whom are not given the same opportunities to work, educate, accumulate wealth, or integrate in society then the results are extremely high percentages of poverty. Poverty results in a culture of other problems including drugs and criminal activity. You have to see how all this relates, right? You have to see how our laws and government and country was responsible for that, right?Can you really not recognized the “impact“ that generations of discriminatory laws from slavery through Jim Crow Have had on the black community? You claim to understand and be aware so prove it and tell me what impact you think that history had on the black community back in the 60s and now todayOur government had policies that impacted the health wealth social standing and education of an entire race of people for generations. That’s is not far off from my example and is deserving of something more than simply changing discriminatory laws. Come on dude, this isn’t very complicated to understand. Simple morals and ethicsYou couldnt
You couldn’t be any more off base... no it wasn’t just bad people it was our laws, our government our society that oppressed a race for generations and still has lasting effects in today’s society. Let that sink in. Also you ignored my central point about the water. Is providing funding and support for that down discrimination against other towns? Yes or no1. For it to be discrimination it need to unjust or prejudicial treatment. I don’t believe it is so. You can make the case that it causes harm to white who don’t get accepted but that’s like saying helping the town woth contaminated water is harmful for the neighboring town that didn’t get the same funding and support.
It is obvious unjust for white students to lose out on college slots to black students based on race.
Yes, it does cause harm to white students who don't get accepted, or don't get into the better schools, or don't get assistance, or ect. ect ect. Obvoiusly.
2. the people responsible are not people. It was our government and societies laws that lasted for generations and had a real and lasting effect. How do you suggest we right those wrongs?
The people responsible were people. How to right those long ago wrongs? By giving equality before the law for the last 50 years and making blacks fully equal citizens in the greatest country in the world.
Not by punishing white people today, for something other people did a long time ago, based on the fact that some of them have similar skin tones.
3. the fight against it and the pushback to their cries when they complain about modern day issues is what fuels the fire. Not the laws and movement enacted to improve the situation. The election of Obama was a great symbolic achievement for the black community but it also brought a wave of racial hate that had been burrowing for a long time. I was and still am very disappointed about how much of this crap still exists in our society.
The election of Obama did not bring a wave of racial hate. It brought a wave of horrific wace baiting where normal partisan opposition was falsely labeled wacism, by vile liars.
But, thank you for not denying the increased division and hatred that these actions are causing.
Time to stop them, before they totally tear this nation apart. If it is not already too late.
I ignored a bad analogy.
BUT for your analogy to be accurate, it is not just one town with bad water. There are many towns that have "bad water" ie historical reasons for poverty and hopelessness.
YOu just want to ignore the white ones and only focus on the black and brown ones.
And we have. For generations. And it has put enormous burdens on the poor and middle class whites of this country, to the point that white males are seeing their life spans SHRINK.
Time to stop the injustice. Time to stop the racism and discrimination.
"impacted"? Want to vague that up a bit?
And if they deserved anything beyond legal equality, they had it, for 70 years and they tapped out that well of white guilt.
We, current day whites, have paid enough and taken enough shit, that increasingly we are done with that.
Time to end that racist discrimination against white people. I want equality and equal protection before the Law for my people.
IMO, the primary forces "impacting" the black community today, are not old forces from generations ago, but far more current factors that bury older influences under there much larger "ripples".
Nothing that happened to my Great, great, grand father, really looms very big in my life. I guess it is good that they decided to move to America, but beyond that, I cannot trace any "impact" of any hardship he faced, that still impacts me.
My point is that barring significant accumulations of wealth, which was rare, the hardships of one generation do NOT impact the next, white or black.
Your pretense that blacks are so alien that we cannot examine their experience in comparison to our own, I reject.
The Great Depression, WWII, there were hard on my dad's generation. The impact of those hardships were not transferred to me. I did not suffer from them. It would be lame of me to pretend I did.
WWI? Previous bad times? Not even memories. The Civil War? The oppression of being Scots in the United Kingdom? Ancient history to me. If I was a lib, I guess I could use that as an excuse to be an ass to brits today.
But, I'm not that person. That is not my game. Hell, my dad did not even raise me to hate Japanese people, and he had cause.
I disagree with your premise and I explained why. You going straight to your assumption that it must be because I don't understand, is just you having a closed mind.
My point stands. Yes, I understand about how wealth can accumulate across generations. I also understand how easily it can NOT do so, and not just for blacks.
Yes, a some whites got jobs because their families connections. For the last 50 years, that has been more than balanced by blacks being discriminated in favor of by legally required and enforced racist discrimination.
AND more and more, blacks are in a position to use those types of connections themselves.
It is time to stop discrimination against whites, especially poor and middle class whites, who have done nothing to deserve this, and who have benefitted little from past injustices, if at all.
Discriminating against a group of people, because of race, is racist discrimination.
That you think it is justified does not change that. That you support it, makes you racist.
We do have a long way to go. We have a massive system of system racist discrimination and racism operating in our society today, crushing the hope and dreams of millions.
Race discrimination clearly is defined as discrimination based on race. That you think it is justified and thus support it, makes you a supporter of racist discrimination.
If looking at it clearly bothers you, then maybe you should think about this some, more deeply or seriously than you have in the past.