Slut Or Not??

[PoliticalChic]

PC has a profile pic of herself with a handgun. Is that supposed to intimidate us?

Who's "us"...you have a tapeworm?

Us plural term in this context, your political opponents. Answer the question. What is your motivation for posting a pic of yourself holding a handgun?

If I had a tapeworm, I'd eat the words you'd like to shove down our throats and turn them into inspired poetry for peace.

OK...here's one:

The world would not be in such a snarl, had Marx been Groucho instead of Karl.
Irving Berlin.


Oops....sorry.....I forgot that Irving Berlin was dead.

 

[Big Fitz]

Those who debate using logical fallacies fail to make a case for their position.

So....I don't get your vote???

Jeeeeezzzzz.......

I point out the weakness in your argument. I don't think you're the slightest bit interested in discussing any topic.

You just want to rant.

That's ok. I won't address your posts anymore.

and the ignore list grows...

I guess the heat in the kitchen is too much.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Those who debate using logical fallacies fail to make a case for their position.

So....I don't get your vote???

Jeeeeezzzzz.......

I point out the weakness in your argument. I don't think you're the slightest bit interested in discussing any topic.

You just want to rant.

That's ok. I won't address your posts anymore.

Promise?

 

[Sky Dancer]

So....I don't get your vote???

Jeeeeezzzzz.......

I point out the weakness in your argument. I don't think you're the slightest bit interested in discussing any topic.

You just want to rant.

That's ok. I won't address your posts anymore.

Promise?

You bet. May you be happy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I point out the weakness in your argument. I don't think you're the slightest bit interested in discussing any topic.

You just want to rant.

That's ok. I won't address your posts anymore.

Promise?

You bet. May you be happy.

OOOOOMMMMMmmm........

 

[Uncensored2008]

PC's logical fallacies:

All liberals are fascists like Hitler.

Leftists, not liberals.

And the leftists in the Obama camp are fascists. This is just a matter of established fact.

 

[Foxfyre]

PC's logical fallacies:

All liberals are fascists like Hitler.

Leftists, not liberals.

And the leftists in the Obama camp are fascists. This is just a matter of established fact.

Well. . . .let's say Marxist more than Fascist though of course some Facist tactics are necessary in the game plan for Marxism too. Forcing an insurance company to provide a specific coverage could fall within the scope of either. And if we are absolutely fair, there may be a few ideologues in there who are genuinely ideologically convinced that Obama is the "One" who will save us and if we will just give him his way, we will have the closest thing possible to Utopia on Earth. (They would have to be blooming idiots by now, but we cannot be intellectually honest and say they could not possibly exist.)

 

[Uncensored2008]

Well. . . .let's say Marxist more than Fascist though of course some Facist tactics are necessary in the game plan for Marxism too.

Ohh, I don't agree.

Fascism is an command economy where the means of production are controlled through a series of well connected and controlled corporations.

A prime example of this is Obamacare. Instead of directly controlling the medical industry as Marxism would dictate, Obama turned to a well connected cabal of corporations, Blue Cross, Kaiser, Cigna, etc. These groups are not just doing the bidding of the the state, but also have the force of the state to coerce all to purchase their service and to enforce payment. The IRS being designated as the bill collector for these looters.

Forcing an insurance company to provide a specific coverage could fall within the scope of either.

It's part of the plan though, all providers will be forced from the market save those few that report directly to the state. Fascism does not support competition.

And if we are absolutely fair, there may be a few ideologues in there who are genuinely ideologically convinced that Obama is the "One" who will save us and if we will just give him his way, we will have the closest thing possible to Utopia on Earth. (They would have to be blooming idiots by now, but we cannot be intellectually honest and say they could not possibly exist.)

I wonder how many really believe, and how many just lust after raw power?

 

[High_Gravity]

Of course! Sandra Fluke needs a real job.

While I personally can't see anything wrong with legalizing prostitution, I can't see any major benefit either. If prostitution were not only legal, but considered like any other normal legal business, I would not want to see men and women looking for work be penalized for turning down work in a whorehouse either. Can't you see some whore trade school popping up and advertising on television!

Will whores be allowed to discriminate? Suppose a whore doesn't want to engage in acts with the same sex. Are they punished? Will their license be revoked? What's to be done with street wakers who don't want to keep books and pay taxes? Now they are picked up for solicitation, kept until morning and let go. After licensing they could be prosecuted for tax evasion. What about the casual hooker? The woman who just wants to pay the rent, she ran short, turning a few tricks once in a while bridges the gap. Does SHE need a license for part time whoring? Will a licensed whore who teaches kindergarten during the day keep her job? How about minors? Will a 15 year old boy with Daddy's credit card get to go to a legal brothel or is he still limited to the next door neighbor.

This is one of those things that looks good on paper but doesn't work as well in real life. The best that can be said is that there will be legal brothels AND all the problems with illegal prostitiution that we have now.

Well I could think of a few benefits of legalizing the business, for starters we will take the business away from the pimps and gangsters on the street, and be able to get these girls cleaned up, alot of the street walkers are beaten regularly and get hooked on drugs by their pimp, as a way to keep power over her. Keep in mind Germany had legalized prostitution and they make billions off of it, look at how big our country is, thats alot of revenue, besides if you think prostitution is disgusting and perverted, just don't frequent the establishments, plaine and simple, besides making something illegal doesn't take it away anyways.

I don't think that prostitution is disgusting or perverted at all! Do you think that there is no illegal prositution in Germany? Do you think that if we had legal prostitution there would be no pimps or gangsters? You would be wrong. We would have nice, clean, well run, organized and taxpaying legal brothels AND pimps and street whores. Nevada has legal brothels. They require that the men get washed first and wear a condom. Where do you think men who don't want to fiddle with washing and have personal objections against condoms go? The pimps of Las Vegas! If a man wants to pay extra to beat the crap out of a woman, he just pays the pimp more. Drug up the whore and she won't be able to move. They won't get that in a legal brothel. The main difference is that instead of a little time lost by being picked up for solicitation, the street whores will be fighting tax evasion charges.

You are aware that in Germany a woman that turns down working in a brothel can lose her unemployment benefits aren't you?

Then there is the Netherlands. They have had legal prostitution longer than Germany. They recently cleaned up their famous red light district and closed over half the legal whorehouses. Why? Because the authorities found out that some of the legal sex workers weren't exactly willing. They had been kidnapped and sold to legal brothels as sex slaves. The women didn't get the money they earned. The brothels were owned and run by international criminal organizations.

There really isn't much of a moral objection to prostitution. Objecting to considering it a normal occuption might be objectionable, but not the act of prostitution. The logistics are another story. Likely there is a place for legal prostitution it can't hurt. Just recognize that it isn't going to help either.

I am sure there will still be pimps having their girl work the streets, just like how there are still moonshiners working the stills long after prohibition has ended. If you make prostitution a legal practice where a john can go get laid legally without the worry of facing any legal ramifications I have to say most would go with the legal business instead of trying to score ***** on the street and get in trouble, just like most regular people buy their booze at the liquor store not from a moonshiner.

 

[peach174]

She has been going to that College on a Public Interest Law Scholarship. She said it in her testimony at the hearing.
She gets free tuition, so she has that mentality of they should also get free contraception.
Once you get things for free, it's hard to get them to understand that other people are paying for this stuff.

 

[Uncensored2008]

She has been going to that College on a Public Interest Law Scholarship. She said it in her testimony at the hearing.
She gets free tuition, so she has that mentality of they should also get free contraception.
Once you get things for free, it's hard to get them to understand that other people are paying for this stuff.

She is the epitome of the motto of the democratic party: Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well. . . .let's say Marxist more than Fascist though of course some Facist tactics are necessary in the game plan for Marxism too.

Ohh, I don't agree.

uction are controlled through a Fascism is an command economy where the means of prodseries of well connected and controlled corporations.

A prime example of this is Obamacare. Instead of directly controlling the medical industry as Marxism would dictate, Obama turned to a well connected cabal of corporations, Blue Cross, Kaiser, Cigna, etc. These groups are not just doing the bidding of the the state, but also have the force of the state to coerce all to purchase their service and to enforce payment. The IRS being designated as the bill collector for these looters.

Forcing an insurance company to provide a specific coverage could fall within the scope of either.

It's part of the plan though, all providers will be forced from the market save those few that report directly to the state. Fascism does not support competition.

And if we are absolutely fair, there may be a few ideologues in there who are genuinely ideologically convinced that Obama is the "One" who will save us and if we will just give him his way, we will have the closest thing possible to Utopia on Earth. (They would have to be blooming idiots by now, but we cannot be intellectually honest and say they could not possibly exist.)

I wonder how many really believe, and how many just lust after raw power?

"all providers will be forced from the market save those few that report directly to the state. Fascism does not support competition."

I'm going to agree with you based on the following:

1. The intellectual descendants of those who worshipped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations…the lodestar of enlightened economic policy….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration.’

2. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.

a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
See Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)


3. Workers would become de factor citizens of their companies, in a relationship similar to Krupp’s General Regulations. “The Krupps feared the Social Democrats and to keep them out of their facilities, they used repression and a compensation package that many German workers found quite acceptable. If you worked for Krupp, your children were born in a Krupp hospital, educated in a Krupp school, played on a Krupp playground, etc. You shopped in a Krupp store. It was cradle-to-grave security of sorts. Women advertising for husbands would specify employees of Krupp.” Chapter Four: notes

4.The defining historical moment for the thinking of the 1930’s was the Great Depression. Many intellectuals decided that there was no particular reason to prefer the political system most closely associated with capitalism, liberal democracy, as opposed to the new systems that promised a brighter future. It is false to believe that the ‘enlightened’ even here in America, were not predisposed toward Fascism, and National Socialism. Many within the liberal camp were ready and willing to save the situation by jettisoning liberal ballast, and proposed imitating various Fascist models.
See Wolfgang Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals”

 

[Unkotare]

"In the Netherlands, Germany, and Australia, legalization has failed to protect the women in prostitution, control the enormous expansion of the sex industry, decrease child prostitution and trafficking from other countries, and prevent HIV/AIDS -- all arguments used for legalization. And it has transformed these countries into brothels."

HumanTrafficking.org | News & Updates: Debating Legalized Prostitution

"Germany’s legalized prostitution system has become a magnet for sexual exploiters, so much so that Germany has become the destination of choice in Europe for traffickers."

 

[Unkotare]

Very few things genuinely frighten me, and believe me you do NOT want to be one of them. You really don't.

LOL!!! What a ******* little clown! Too funny.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well. . . .let's say Marxist more than Fascist though of course some Facist tactics are necessary in the game plan for Marxism too.

Ohh, I don't agree.

Fascism is an command economy where the means of production are controlled through a series of well connected and controlled corporations.

A prime example of this is Obamacare. Instead of directly controlling the medical industry as Marxism would dictate, Obama turned to a well connected cabal of corporations, Blue Cross, Kaiser, Cigna, etc. These groups are not just doing the bidding of the the state, but also have the force of the state to coerce all to purchase their service and to enforce payment. The IRS being designated as the bill collector for these looters.

Forcing an insurance company to provide a specific coverage could fall within the scope of either.

It's part of the plan though, all providers will be forced from the market save those few that report directly to the state. Fascism does not support competition.

And if we are absolutely fair, there may be a few ideologues in there who are genuinely ideologically convinced that Obama is the "One" who will save us and if we will just give him his way, we will have the closest thing possible to Utopia on Earth. (They would have to be blooming idiots by now, but we cannot be intellectually honest and say they could not possibly exist.)

I wonder how many really believe, and how many just lust after raw power?

There is a fine line between Facism and Marxism. Again the road to the ultimate Marxist state as Marx and Engels presented it included aspects of Facism in order to get there.

Analysis of... seven [fascist] regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism...
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights...
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause...
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism...
5. Rampant sexism...
6. A controlled mass media..
7. Obsession with national security...
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together...
9. Power of corporations protected...
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated...
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts...
12. Obsession with crime and punishment...
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption...
14. Fraudulent elections.
BRITT, LAURENCE W., Fascism Anyone?, Free Inquiry, Volume 23, Number 2

And the steps on the road to accomplishment of Marxism (communism) from Marx’s Communist Manifesto – listed with some literacy license taken and will vary somewhat in order and method from society to society and adapting to social and political changes in these more modern times and conditions:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Gradual extension of state control and ownership of all the nation’s wealth.) It is somewhere in this portion making it necessary to develop class envy, then class warfare, until the common man overthrowing the monied class is complete and the state holds or controls all the wealth. Toward that end. . . .
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state until the state controls all; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. (Local governments will be gradually but systematically rendered impotent and then finally abolished with the central government controlling all.)
10. Free education for all children in public schools with state control of the curriculum and teachers. Abolition of child factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc."

Once the state has complete control over all the nation’s wealth and means of production, controls the media and the Church, and the people are totally subject to the dictates of the state, the government can be abolished, the wealth equally distributed, and the people will live in harmony and cooperation ever after. (Of note, no government that has ever implemented Marxist principles to gain power has given it up in favor of that final step.)

 

[Gadawg73]

All this fluke had to do is walk a few miles from Georgetown in either of 4 different ways, east, west, north or south.
A Planned Parenthood facility would have provided her with either low cost or free contraceptives to fit all her needs.
But no, all of you right wing hacks fell right for the Democratic bait and took it hook, line and sinker.
Played right into Obama's hands in all of this making an issue out of nothing.
And as a result of the typical religous right wing kook knee jerk reaction Obama's #s amongst moderate women jump double digits in the last 10 days.
Dumb asses.

 

[Foxfyre]

All this fluke had to do is walk a few miles from Georgetown in either of 4 different ways, east, west, north or south.
A Planned Parenthood facility would have provided her with either low cost or free contraceptives to fit all her needs.
But no, all of you right wing hacks fell right for the Democratic bait and took it hook, line and sinker.
Played right into Obama's hands in all of this making an issue out of nothing.
And as a result of the typical religous right wing kook knee jerk reaction Obama's #s amongst moderate women jump double digits in the last 10 days.
Dumb asses.

Some dumb like foxes however.

After stepping back and really looking at the disingenuousness and improbability about this whole thing, and how invconsequential it really is, I am convinced that Fluke was handpicked as the poster girl to deflect the national debate from issues less defensible by the Administration. Rush wasn't quick enough on his feet and took the bait and, because he didn't think before he spoke, poured a whole tanker of gasoline on the fire. The Obama surrogate media was more than happy to fan the flames and our more leftist friends here, as the planners knew they would be, are more than happy to be gullible patsies to advance the process.

The plot was brilliantly conceived and executed. We on the other side of the fence need to sharpen our skills here.

 

[Big Fitz]

All this fluke had to do is walk a few miles from Georgetown in either of 4 different ways, east, west, north or south.
A Planned Parenthood facility would have provided her with either low cost or free contraceptives to fit all her needs.
But no, all of you right wing hacks fell right for the Democratic bait and took it hook, line and sinker.
Played right into Obama's hands in all of this making an issue out of nothing.
And as a result of the typical religous right wing kook knee jerk reaction Obama's #s amongst moderate women jump double digits in the last 10 days.
Dumb asses.

Of course, that's not good enough. The free stuff MUST come from the Catholic Church otherwise, she's having her rights violated.

 

[Si modo]

All this fluke had to do is walk a few miles from Georgetown in either of 4 different ways, east, west, north or south.
A Planned Parenthood facility would have provided her with either low cost or free contraceptives to fit all her needs.
But no, all of you right wing hacks fell right for the Democratic bait and took it hook, line and sinker.
Played right into Obama's hands in all of this making an issue out of nothing.
And as a result of the typical religous right wing kook knee jerk reaction Obama's #s amongst moderate women jump double digits in the last 10 days.
Dumb asses.

Some dumb like foxes however.

After stepping back and really looking at the disingenuousness and improbability about this whole thing, and how invconsequential it really is, I am convinced that Fluke was handpicked as the poster girl to deflect the national debate from issues less defensible by the Administration. Rush wasn't quick enough on his feet and took the bait and, because he didn't think before he spoke, poured a whole tanker of gasoline on the fire. The Obama surrogate media was more than happy to fan the flames and our more leftist friends here, as the planners knew they would be, are more than happy to be gullible patsies to advance the process.

The plot was brilliantly conceived and executed. We on the other side of the fence need to sharpen our skills here.

Oh, that is a given. This was choreographed.

It's a deflection from the violations of the Constitution. And, the "war on women" rhetoric was staged at the same time.

She was used. I don't know if she knows it, but she was used.

 

[Gadawg73]

All this fluke had to do is walk a few miles from Georgetown in either of 4 different ways, east, west, north or south.
A Planned Parenthood facility would have provided her with either low cost or free contraceptives to fit all her needs.
But no, all of you right wing hacks fell right for the Democratic bait and took it hook, line and sinker.
Played right into Obama's hands in all of this making an issue out of nothing.
And as a result of the typical religous right wing kook knee jerk reaction Obama's #s amongst moderate women jump double digits in the last 10 days.
Dumb asses.

Some dumb like foxes however.

After stepping back and really looking at the disingenuousness and improbability about this whole thing, and how invconsequential it really is, I am convinced that Fluke was handpicked as the poster girl to deflect the national debate from issues less defensible by the Administration. Rush wasn't quick enough on his feet and took the bait and, because he didn't think before he spoke, poured a whole tanker of gasoline on the fire. The Obama surrogate media was more than happy to fan the flames and our more leftist friends here, as the planners knew they would be, are more than happy to be gullible patsies to advance the process.

The plot was brilliantly conceived and executed. We on the other side of the fence need to sharpen our skills here.

The religous right wing Republicans took the bait and fanned the flames the most.
Led by the naive and gullible Santorum.
Do we want a President that so weak and easily gets suckered in on a non issue like this?
He took the bait quicker than a bass on a plug.