Slut Or Not??

[PoliticalChic]

I know. 1,000 bucks a year.

$84 a month. $67 a month for the company after the patient pays a 20% copay. And insurance companies get other discounts as well. Not overwhelming for treatment of an illness like polycystic ovary disease which would require surgery if untreated.

Target and Walmart:
Fertility and prescription birth control will also be included at $9,

Read more: Attention Media: Walmart and Target Have Been Offering $9 Birth Control Since 2007 | NewsBusters.org

 

[earlycuyler]

1. She is ofcourse a slut, using the pill as a single women, would mean she is bumping the fur.

And there you have it -- honesty at last about what the real issue is.

Y'all can sit on it, though. Times have changed. Deal with it.

No, not really they have not, unless you mean since the 40's or something. As a teen rubbers and pills were easy to get just like they are now at low cost or in many cases free. This woman was stupid for doing what she did because she sat before a member of congress and lied. Stupid slut would have been more fitting.

 

[earlycuyler]

I know. 1,000 bucks a year.

$84 a month. $67 a month for the company after the patient pays a 20% copay. And insurance companies get other discounts as well. Not overwhelming for treatment of an illness like polycystic ovary disease which would require surgery if untreated.

Target and Walmart:
Fertility and prescription birth control will also be included at $9,

Read more: Attention Media: Walmart and Target Have Been Offering $9 Birth Control Since 2007 | NewsBusters.org

I heard generic is $4.00 or $5.00. Empire blue covers the wife's.

 

[Dragon]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

 

[earlycuyler]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

No attempt at diversion at all. No one is trying to reverse anything. She can screw who or what she wants when ever she wants. There are two lies in her statement. The lie she and other horny young folks in Georgetown have no access to birth control cheap or free. Planned parenthood accepts most insurance and in most cases gives the stuff away. Birth control was never the issue because inaccessibility to it is a big fat lie. She put her self out there on point to draw fire and give the president a thing to snuggle up to and pander for votes. Thats why the issue of birth control has not been addressed, and why they cling to the stupid cow being called a slut. So maybe times have changed. telling lies to congress on national TV is acceptable now to.

 

[Dragon]

There are two lies in her statement. The lie she and other horny young folks in Georgetown have no access to birth control cheap or free.

That's only one lie, not two. Can you show that she said that?

 

[earlycuyler]

There are two lies in her statement. The lie she and other horny young folks in Georgetown have no access to birth control cheap or free.

That's only one lie, not two. Can you show that she said that?

She said a poor, poor woman was turned away in shame at the pharmacy because she could not afford her birth control. She also said (or implied) that birth control was not available to horny young folks there. Watch the video. It is her belief that employers should cover birth control. She says they do not. They do. This is called a lie. Here is some wiki on it.

Sandra Fluke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In her testimony, she argued in favor of requiring private insurance companies to cover contraception. She claimed that over the three years as a law student, birth control would cost an estimated $3,000. She continued that the lack of coverage would force many low income women to go without contraception and that women's free health clinics cannot meet the need. She then discussed the consequence of such policies, including a friend with polycystic ovary syndrome being forced to go without birth control pills, resulting in a cyst developing on her ovaries. According to Fluke, her friend was denied coverage, even with a verified condition from her doctor, and this is not a rare event for women with medical conditions. She then stated that she wanted equal treatment for women's health issues and did not see the issue as being against the Catholic Church.[13]

And one more time, here is the pricing information from planned parenthood.

About Our Fees - Planned Parenthood - Western New York

What if I can’t pay or do not have health insurance?
Planned Parenthood participates in a federal funding program called Title X (10); a program that allows us to supplement birth control, GYN care, and other reproductive health services for women who cannot pay full price for health care services. This program does not pay for abortion care. To qualify, we ask all clients seeking services at Planned Parenthood to present the most recent four week snapshot of your income (such as recent pay stubs or, if you are unemployed, proof of your unemployment benefits or inability to work). This helps our staff determine what amount you can pay under Title X’s discounted fee scale.

Additionally, Planned Parenthood can help you sign-up for other programs that will help pay for your services including Medicaid or the Family Planning Benefit Program (FPBP). Call the health center closest to you and speak to one of our medical staff to see how you can apply.

Cash, credit card, certified check or Medicaid and/or your private insurance are the only ways to pay for abortion care at a Planned Parenthood health center .

And the insurance they accept.

Fees & Payment Options - Planned Parenthood - Nassau County

1199
AETNA-PPO,POS,EPO
AETNA-HMO
AETNA-CHICKERING CLAIMS (SCHOOL INS)
AFFINITY HEALTH PLAN
CIGNA-HMO,PPO,OPEN ACCESS
EMBLEM HEALTH
EMPIRE BCBS - all except Mediblue
EMPIRE NYSHIP
GHI - PPO
HEALTHCARE PARTNERS
HIP- ALL PLANS EXCEPT SMART START
LOCALS/UNIONS-CHECK CARD
MAGNACARE
MEDICAID
MEDICARE
MULTIPLAN
OXFORD - Freedom and Liberty
UNITED HEALTHCARE
UNITED HEALTHCARE/COMMUNITY PLAN

So, in all that, with all those options, neither she, or her imaginary friend could get birth control pills ? Its a lie. All just a huge, big fat lie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just for the record, Viagra is not a contraceptive. It is a Medical Association sanctioned treatment for a medical condition. I doubt very seriously that medications that could also be used as a contraceptive but that are necessary to treat a medical condition would be denied by any private health care insurance company.

Medicare, however, allows or disallows all sorts of medications sometimes with absolutely no rhyme or reason. I sat beside my aunt who, because it was affecting her liver, was not a candidate to continue taking the medication necessary to control her severe osteoporosis. So in a consultation with a doctor, he recommended a very expensive medication that was still somewhat experimental but should be effective and Medicare would pay for it. There was another, far less expensive, and necessary to be injected less often, that was actually more effective, but Medicare would not pay for it. UNLESS she had had her gall bladder out. I asked what the gall bladder has to do with Osteoporosis. He said nothing at all. But there is absolutely no explanation for some of the Medicare rules and it is getting worse all the time.

I do not care what private insurance companies choose to cover or not cover so long as that is clearly explained to the patient. It is obvious that most are doing a far superior job of coverage than is Medicare for most things. But I do not want the federal government telling any insurance company what it must provide, what it cannot cover, or that anybody has to provide whatever insurance for their employees.

I know what Viagra is. For your information and hopefully for your edification polycystic ovary disease is also a medical condition. (You are another who didn't watch the testimony.) So is pulmonary hypertension which is what I have. One of my medications is Adcirca, a horrendously expensive new Viagra type drug. Viagra was originally being researched for the disease I have. But when the company discovered it would give men boners they did an about face. The Adcirca is SO expensive that when I order it, the specialty pharmacy wants to know how many pills I have left in the bottle. And yes, my insurance pays for it. All I have to pay is an $80 copay for three months worth through the specialty pharmacy.

I find it somewhat paradoxical that people think it's OK to help men impregnate women so that the government can support the children rather than expect insurance to provide adequate contraception.

I did watch the testimony. Twice actually. And, yet again, I have no problem with insurance covering any medical treatment to treat ANY medical condition. And even though 99% of contraceptives prescribed or used are not to treat any medical condition, I don't have any problem with insurance including those if that is the choice of the insurance company.

I DO have a problem with the federal government requiring any private business to provide any product and a huge problem with the federal government mandating what insurance any private entity must provide for its employees.

If you give the federal government that kind of power, what guarantee can you give me that the federal government won't abuse that power in ways that none of us will find acceptable? When you give the federal government the power to do any damn thing it wants, how far is it before the day that you have no choices, opportunities, or options left?

 

[nitroz]

Sorry bout that,


1. She is ofcourse a slut, using the pill as a single women, would mean she is bumping the fur.
2. Rush said it straight, and the PC police came out cracking heads.
3. Same old shit, and the fools always fall for it.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

how your post makes me feel

 

[Dragon]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

Slut is your word and concept, not mine. I reject the entire business from the get-go, and would never use that word at all, about anyone.

 

[nitroz]

ok, lets handle this with the same judgment that most in this thread are using.

All women on this political forum are sluts. This stance will not change until others understand how my reasoning is very similar to how rush's reasoning was.

 

[Barb]

Phyllis Schlafly

Oh, for **** sake. She didn't get her deal with Satan called up for repayment YET?

There's a special place in hell for women like her, and extra pokers.

Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for being an apologist for this detritus.

 

[Barb]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

I rarely see a woman so aggressively post AS a douche bag.

I'm torn.

On one hand, your stance as a self loathing woman is appalling.

On the other, "we" (?!!) have arrived?!!

 

[Si modo]

I don't give a flying shit if she is a slut or not. I DO care that the Obama administration is blaspheming the First Amendment, though.

He does that a lot.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

Slut is your word and concept, not mine. I reject the entire business from the get-go, and would never use that word at all, about anyone.

Glad to see you scurrying away from this:

"Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer..."


Whether you use said word or not...

....you don't wish to see the concept applied at home.

"I reject the entire business..."
No you don't.


You just don't have the spine to take the stance in public.


Carry on.

 

[Big Fitz]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

I rarely see a woman so aggressively post AS a douche bag.

I'm torn.

On one hand, your stance as a self loathing woman is appalling.

On the other, "we" (?!!) have arrived?!!

You've gone a long way, baby.

Please keep going.

Farther... we can still hear you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It hasn't been shown that she lied, and in any case that's irrelevant to the discussion and an attempted diversion.

Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer consider it "slutty" to engage in sex before marriage. That's a reality and there's no reversing it.

So, Liz...do you introduce your wife or daughter to folks as, 'my slut,' ...or joke about how many liaisons she, they, have engaged in?

'Preach what you practice', as Charles Murray says.

I rarely see a woman so aggressively post AS a douche bag.

I'm torn.

On one hand, your stance as a self loathing woman is appalling.

On the other, "we" (?!!) have arrived?!!

So, now that you have identified what you are, and stand for....

so?


If you have a problem with any who stand up for tradition and the values that separate human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom ,what then?

You have your idols, and I have some who actually have self discipline.


When I think of folks with your perspective, what comes to mind is
this snap-shot of pop culture, the music industry, which has “somehow reduced humanity’s greatest achievement- a near universal language of pure transcendence - into a knuckle-dragging sub-pidgin of grunts and snarls, capable of fully expressing only the more pointless forms of violence and the more brutal forms of sex.” Michael Bywater, “Never mind the width, feel the lack of quality,” The Spectator, May 13, 1995, p. 44.

There is the world that folks like you envision for all of us.

Based on same, do you actually believe that your view of myself or of the constitutional lawyer, Ms. Schlafly, carries any moment?

But, I appreciate your coming by, and offering your opinion. Usually one has to go to the pool room to get the views of someone like you.

 

[Dragon]

Glad to see you scurrying away from this:

"Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer..."

The term "slut" is inherently insulting. It IMPLIES an adherence to a sexual morality that believes a woman who has sex outside marriage is doing something wrong. As I do not adhere to that morality, I would never use the word.

I would not call my daughter a slut because she is having sex with her boyfriend. I don't believe there's anything wrong with that. I did not call my ex-wife a slut because she had more than fifty lovers before we got together. I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. If I called either of them a slut, I would be implying that there was something wrong with their behavior, which I don't believe.

The word simply has no place in my universe.

 

[Foxfyre]

Glad to see you scurrying away from this:

"Sexual morality has changed since the 1960s. Most people no longer..."

The term "slut" is inherently insulting. It IMPLIES an adherence to a sexual morality that believes a woman who has sex outside marriage is doing something wrong. As I do not adhere to that morality, I would never use the word.

I would not call my daughter a slut because she is having sex with her boyfriend. I don't believe there's anything wrong with that. I did not call my ex-wife a slut because she had more than fifty lovers before we got together. I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. If I called either of them a slut, I would be implying that there was something wrong with their behavior, which I don't believe.

The word simply has no place in my universe.

Okay give us a number. While I don't think any of us consider a monogamous relationship in or outside of marriage to be 'slutty', exactly how many lovers does a man or woman need to have to qualify for the 'slut' label?

Inquiring minds want to know.