Slavery

[MaryL]

The huge majority of whites NEVER owned slaves. 98% never owned slaves ever! And groups like BLM never mentions is the huge majority whites that died to free black slaves. No mention of them...65 thousand of whites fought to free slaves...How convenient.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

Being historically correct and accurate would ruin their propaganda, lies, hype, hypocrisy, and brainwashing agenda.

 

[excalibur]

My family freed their slaves when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.

 

[occupied]

My family never owned slaves as far as any of us know. Didn't stop my older male relatives from joining the Klan and filling my head with garbage growing up.

 

[MaryL]

Why is it that groups like BLM NEVER mentions the white men that fought and freed blacks? I am looking at the high black crime rate...and this CRT nonsense, I am having a sense all those white those guys that died in 1863 died to free blacks in vain. Useless.

 

[MaryL]

My great grand father fled Russian pogroms. I know people that fled Hungary and east Germany...communism. Now? I meet people fleeing black oppression from Uganda or other black counties...

 

[occupied]

Why is it that groups like BLM NEVER mentions the white men that fought and freed blacks? I am looking at the high black crime rate...and this CRT nonsense, I am having a sense all those white those guys that died in 1863 died to free blacks in vain. Useless.

Honor those men who died by not joining up with the new confederates on the right. Black people may have been freed from slavery but they have had to come the rest of the way to equality on their own facing resistance at every turn.

 

[BlindBoo]

The huge majority of whites NEVER owned slaves. 98% never owned slaves ever! And groups like BLM never mentions is the huge majority whites that died to free black slaves. No mention of them...65 thousand of whites fought to free slaves...How convenient.

The institution was an accepted part of human civilization and was integral to the Nation States of Europe that expanded and tried to conquer the world. Most white folks accepted the premise that the African Slaves were inferior and deserved to be slaves. Not all of course, but most. Most Northern Whites volunteered because those dastardly Southerners attacked them at Ft. Sumter. Most Southern Whites volunteered because those dastardly Northerners attacked them at Ft. Sumter. The rest that fought were mostly drafted, after the thrill of seeing their buddies blown to bit wore off and their term of service was up. They really didn't care about freeing anyone.

It was like Afghanistan today, or in the near future. The Federal troops stayed in the South until 1877 when they finally left Louisiana. Remember, Louisiana was a hot bed of insurgent activity against the Northern Republicans who were running the State too. Thousands of White and Black Republican were killed in that not war. Once they left though, guess who came back into power? It happened throughout the entire South and the rest of the country didn't care about the former slaves anymore.

 

[Kilroy2]

The huge majority of whites NEVER owned slaves. 98% never owned slaves ever! And groups like BLM never mentions is the huge majority whites that died to free black slaves. No mention of them...65 thousand of whites fought to free slaves...How convenient.

Well I would suspect that the issue is how do you look at the stats.

another view is that 90% of the population of blacks were slaves at a point in time.

So I guess it boils down to how you view the big picture.

It is obvious that even in the heyday of slavery that Northern states generally did not have slaves and a number had even made it illegal. It is known that Slavery mainly existed in the south.

It is also obvious that slavery was abolished many years ago.

Don't believe in the rants of a few for it to be the position of the rest.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

I think the big takeaway regarding slavery, and its effects on modern America is this.
We should have picked the fucking cotton ourselves.

 

[Big Black Dog]

The biggest mistake this country ever made was to bring in slaves. The second biggest mistake this country made was To not take them all back where they came from once they were freed. We wouldn’t be having the problems we have now if they would have removed all the slaves from the country once they were freed.

 

[Penelope]

Why is it that groups like BLM NEVER mentions the white men that fought and freed blacks? I am looking at the high black crime rate...and this CRT nonsense, I am having a sense all those white those guys that died in 1863 died to free blacks in vain. Useless.

Doesn't matter they were once slaves and then the Jim Crow laws and KKK.

 

[NoBueno]

It is obvious that even in the heyday of slavery that Northern states generally did not have slaves and a number had even made it illegal

Is it obvious?

 

[Stryder50]

It has been said by some "wags" that opinions are like a body orifice of the lower abdomen. 'Everybody has such and the out put from either is of equal negative value.'

Yes this is a "message board" and hence opinions will abound, but usually they have little value or substance to the subject at hand. Better to examine some history and facts, before making assorted 'droppings' about ...

Six inconvenient truths about the U.S. and slavery​

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Those who want to discredit the United States and to deny our role as history’s most powerful and pre-eminent force for freedom, goodness and human dignity invariably focus on America’s bloody past as a slave-holding nation. Along with the displacement and mistreatment of Native Americans, the enslavement of literally millions of Africans counts as one of our two founding crimes—and an obvious rebuttal to any claims that this Republic truly represents “the land of the free and the home of the brave.” According to America-bashers at home and abroad, open-minded students of our history ought to feel more guilt than pride, and strive for “reparations” or other restitution to overcome the nation’s uniquely cruel, racist and rapacious legacy.

Unfortunately, the current mania for exaggerating America’s culpability for the horrors of slavery bears no more connection to reality than the old, discredited tendency to deny that the U.S. bore any blame at all. No, it’s not true that the “peculiar institution” featured kind-hearted, paternalistic masters and happy, dancing field-hands, any more than it’s true that America displayed unparalleled barbarity or enjoyed disproportionate benefit from kidnapping and exploiting innocent Africans.

An honest and balanced understanding of the position of slavery in the American experience requires a serious attempt to place the institution in historical context and to clear-away some of the common myths and distortions.

1. SLAVERY WAS AN ANCIENT AND UNIVERSAL INSTITUTION, NOT A DISTINCTIVELY AMERICAN INNOVATION.

At the time of the founding of the Republic in 1776, slavery existed literally everywhere on earth and had been an accepted aspect of human history from the very beginning of organized societies. Current thinking suggests that human beings took a crucial leap toward civilization about 10,000 years ago with the submission, training and domestication of important animal species (cows, sheep, swine, goats, chickens, horses and so forth) and, at the same time, began the “domestication,” bestialization and ownership of fellow human beings captured as prisoners in primitive wars.

In ancient Greece, the great philosopher Aristotle described the ox as “the poor man’s slave” while Xenophon likened the teaching of slaves “to the training of wild animals.” Aristotle further opined that “it is clear that there are certain people who are free and certain who are slaves by nature, and it is both to their advantage, and just, for them to be slaves.” The Romans seized so many captives from Eastern Europe that the terms “Slav” and “slave” bore the same origins.

All the great cultures of the ancient world, from Egypt to Babylonia, Athens to Rome, Persia to India to China, depended upon the brutal enslavement of the masses – often representing heavy majorities of the population. Contrary to the glamorization of aboriginal New World cultures, the Mayas, Aztecs and Incas counted among the most brutal slave-masters of them all --- not only turning the members of other tribes into harshly abused beasts of burden but also using these conquered enemies to feed a limitless lust for human sacrifice.

... In the final analysis, Yale historian David Brion Davis in his definitive 2006 history “Inhuman Bondage: The Rise and Fall of Slavery in the New World” notes that “colonial North America…surprisingly received only 5 to 6 percent of the African slaves shipped across the Atlantic.” Meanwhile, the Arab slave trade (primarily from East Africa) lasted longer and enslaved more human beings than the European slavers working the other side of the continent. ...

2. SLAVERY EXISTED ONLY BRIEFLY, AND IN LIMITED LOCALES, IN THE HISTORY OF THE REPUBLIC – INVOLVING ONLY A TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE ANCESTORS OF TODAY’S AMERICANS.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution put a formal end to the institution of slavery 89 years after the birth of the Republic; 142 years have passed since this welcome emancipation. Moreover, the importation of slaves came to an end in 1808 (as provided by the Constitution), a mere 32 years after independence, and slavery had been outlawed in most states decades before the Civil War. Even in the South, more than 80% of the white population never owned slaves. Given the fact that the majority of today’s non-black Americans descend from immigrants who arrived in this country after the War Between the States, only a tiny percentage of today’s white citizens – perhaps as few as 5% -- bear any authentic sort of generational guilt for the exploitation of slave labor. ...

3. THOUGH BRUTAL, SLAVERY WASN’T GENOCIDAL: LIVE SLAVES WERE VALUABLE BUT DEAD CAPTIVES BROUGHT NO PROFIT.

Historians agree that hundreds of thousands, and probably millions of slaves perished over the course of 300 years during the rigors of the “Middle Passage” across the Atlantic Ocean. Estimates remain inevitably imprecise, but range as high as one third of the slave “cargo” who perished from disease or overcrowding during transport from Africa. Perhaps the most horrifying aspect of these voyages involves the fact that no slave traders wanted to see this level of deadly suffering: they benefited only from delivering (and selling) live slaves, not from tossing corpses into the ocean. By definition, the crime of genocide requires the deliberate slaughter of a specific group of people; slavers invariably preferred oppressing and exploiting live Africans rather than murdering them en masse. ...

4. IT’S NOT TRUE THAT THE U.S. BECAME A WEALTHY NATION THROUGH THE ABUSE OF SLAVE LABOR: THE MOST PROSPEROUS STATES IN THE COUNTRY WERE THOSE THAT FIRST FREED THEIR SLAVES. Pennsylvania passed an emancipation law in 1780; Connecticut and Rhode Island followed four years later (all before the Constitution). New York approved emancipation in 1799. These states (with dynamic banking centers in Philadelphia and Manhattan) quickly emerged as robust centers of commerce and manufacturing, greatly enriching themselves while the slave-based economies in the South languished by comparison. At the time of the Constitution, Virginia constituted the most populous and wealthiest state in the Union, but by the time of the War Between the States the Old Dominion had fallen far behind a half-dozen northern states that had outlawed slavery two generations earlier. All analyses of Northern victory in the great sectional struggle highlights the vast advantages in terms of wealth and productivity in New England, the Mid-Atlantic States and the Midwest, compared to the relatively backward and impoverished states of the Confederacy. ...

5. WHILE AMERICA DESERVES NO UNIQUE BLAME FOR THE EXISTENCE OF SLAVERY, THE UNITED STATES MERITS SPECIAL CREDIT FOR ITS RAPID ABOLITION.

In the course of scarcely more than a century following the emergence of the American Republic, men of conscience, principle and unflagging energy succeeded in abolishing slavery not just in the New World but in all nations of the West. During three eventful generations, one of the most ancient, ubiquitous and unquestioned of all human institutions (considered utterly indispensable by the “enlightened” philosophers of Greece and Rome) became universally discredited and finally illegal – with Brazil at last liberating all its slaves in 1888. This worldwide mass movement (spear-headed in Britain and elsewhere by fervent Evangelical Christians) brought about the most rapid and fundamental transformation in all human history. While the United States (and the British colonies that preceded our independence) played no prominent role in creating the institution of slavery, or even in establishing the long-standing African slave trade pioneered by Arab, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and other merchants long before the settlement of English North America, Americans did contribute mightily to the spectacularly successful anti-slavery agitation. As early as 1646, the Puritan founders of New England expressed their revulsion at the enslavement of their fellow children of God. ...

6. THERE IS NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT TODAY’S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THEIR ANCESTORS HAD REMAINED BEHIND IN AFRICA.

The idea of reparations rests on the notion of making up to the descendants of slaves for the incalculable damage done to their family status and welfare by the enslavement of generations of their ancestors. In theory, reparationists want society to repair the wrongs of the past by putting today’s African-Americans into the sort of situation they would have enjoyed if their forebears hadn’t been kidnapped, sold and transported across the ocean. Unfortunately, to bring American blacks in line with their cousins who the slave-traders left behind in Africa would require a drastic reduction in their wealth, living standards, and economic and political opportunities. No honest observer can deny or dismiss this nation’s long record of racism and injustice, but it’s also obvious that Americans of African descent enjoy vastly greater wealth and human rights of every variety than the citizens of any nation of the Mother Continent. ...
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Six inconvenient truths about the U.S. and slavery

Those who want to discredit the United States and to deny our role as history’s most powerful and pre-eminent force for freedom, goodness and human dignity invariably focus on America’s

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[The Sage of Main Street]

The huge majority of whites NEVER owned slaves. 98% never owned slaves ever! And groups like BLM never mentions is the huge majority whites that died to free black slaves. No mention of them...65 thousand of whites fought to free slaves...How convenient.

In 400 Years in America, Blacks Have Never Been Treated Worse Than They Deserved

People who act like wild animals need to be tamed. Slavery did that with the jungle savages, who also had a far worse life back in Africa.

The Northern soldiers didn't fight to free the slaves. They fought because they thought that the South was trying to take over the country, just as they would have defended themselves from any foreign invasion.

 

[TheParser]

I think that most Americans (of ALL ethnicities) have had it up their keister with all this 24/7 talk about slavery.

Enough already!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Being historically correct and accurate would ruin their propaganda, lies, hype, hypocrisy, and brainwashing agenda.

Populists, the Only Americans, Hate the Left and the Right Equally

The Republicans provoked the Civil War in order because they hoped to use the grateful and submissive freed slaves to replace unionizing White workers. The Civil Rights for the Uncivilized movement inthe elitist 60s had as its hidden goal to integrate the workforce with incompatible workers in order to break up union solidarity. The facts show that it worked for the economic-bully parasites on top. No wonder the Republicans brag about supporting the anti-White laws back when they were first passed.

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

**** BLACKS hunted/captured BLACKS to sell to the world as SLAVES.

** BLACKS sold BLACKS to whites as cheap/free labor to the European countries far before the Dutch started selling them to America.
** Many of those captured for SLAVERY fought back. Many escaped, many fought back, many died rather than be taken. Those captured for SLAVERY never quietly went in chains to their forced fates. But the media doesn't tell you these things.
** Usually, only RICH land owners or wealthy widowers could afford slaves, as they had to provide shelter, food, and medical services for them. Slaves weren't as common as the media would have you believe, nor did ALL white people have slaves.
** BLACKS owned BLACK slaves.........

Did Black People Own Slaves?

Did Black People Own Slaves? 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro: Yes -- but why they did and how many they owned will surprise you. By: Henry Louis Gates Jr. | Posted: March 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM Nicolas Augustin Metoyer of Louisiana owned 13 slaves in 1830. He and his 12 family members...

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** Being a SLAVE offered a better chance of becoming civilized, than did living in the wilds. Reading, writing, farming, and other business aspects of agriculture, as well as homesteading, and running a home. All aspects of being "civilized" today, which most people have to PAY for, yet SLAVES got it for FREE.
** Not all SLAVES were abused. The media, as usual, prefers to focus on the bad aspects only.
** Later in history, most SLAVES in America were just unpaid workers, set to a fixed "Master". They worked for shelter, food, and medical care.
** Even after Lincoln "freed the slaves", it was not an immediate issue that resonated with the entire country. It took many years for freedom from slavery to occur.

 

[Kilroy2]

It is obvious that even in the heyday of slavery that Northern states generally did not have slaves and a number had even made it illegal

Is it obvious?

Well it is obvious if you know history but if you do not then yeah it may not be as obvious. Yet if states had made it illegal then obviously it only dealt with that particular state.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

**** BLACKS hunted/captured BLACKS to sell to the world as SLAVES.

** BLACKS sold BLACKS to whites as cheap/free labor to the European countries far before the Dutch started selling them to America.
** Many of those captured for SLAVERY fought back. Many escaped, many fought back, many died rather than be taken. Those captured for SLAVERY never quietly went in chains to their forced fates. But the media doesn't tell you these things.
** Usually, only RICH land owners or wealthy widowers could afford slaves, as they had to provide shelter, food, and medical services for them. Slaves weren't as common as the media would have you believe, nor did ALL white people have slaves.
** BLACKS owned BLACK slaves.........

Did Black People Own Slaves?

Did Black People Own Slaves? 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro: Yes -- but why they did and how many they owned will surprise you. By: Henry Louis Gates Jr. | Posted: March 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM Nicolas Augustin Metoyer of Louisiana owned 13 slaves in 1830. He and his 12 family members...

www.africanamerica.org

** Being a SLAVE offered a better chance of becoming civilized, than did living in the wilds. Reading, writing, farming, and other business aspects of agriculture, as well as homesteading, and running a home. All aspects of being "civilized" today, which most people have to PAY for, yet SLAVES got it for FREE.
** Not all SLAVES were abused. The media, as usual, prefers to focus on the bad aspects only.
** Later in history, most SLAVES in America were just unpaid workers, set to a fixed "Master". They worked for shelter, food, and medical care.
** Even after Lincoln "freed the slaves", it was not an immediate issue that resonated with the entire country. It took many years for freedom from slavery to occur.

Aframs Have Nobody to Blame But Themselves

Every slave who wasn't born here had participated in slave-hunts before he himself got captured and sold.