Zone1 Sir Lionel Luckhoo

[alang1216]

I'm not talking about theology. There's no theology involved in why she went to the well alone. That's entirely context of the times. Something you are unable to grasp because you aren't interested in discovering what any of the bibles authors are trying to convey. You're just looking for confirmation of your bias so you can see yourself as superior to the rubes.

Does it say why or are you asking me to invent some new sculpture?

 

[alang1216]

Also, many people say they became atheists from reading the Bible. Why put oneself in danger of becoming an atheist? Others study and then went into religious life. What if one doesn't want to go into religious life? Why put oneself in that danger?

Knowledge is a dangerous thing I guess.

Take a look at yourself. I've done a lot of research on Greek and Roman mythologies and a lot of research on Jesus. I know exactly where your research stopped because you are satisfied Jesus is just another demi-god. You think I haven't done enough research because I don't understand Jesus is "just another demi-god."

By definition Jesus was a demi-god. I believe "just another demi-god" was your phrase, not mine.

The difference between you and I is that you studied up to the point where you feel you have learned the answer. I've studied beyond that point and learned all the answers are beyond our grasp. Every so often we can get a peek at part of the puzzle, and it is beyond amazing. And then it slips away, as everything around us and even about ourselves is always in motion.

Or maybe I studied AND grasped the answers you didn't?

 

[Meriweather]

By definition Jesus was a demi-god.

No.

 

[Meriweather]

Or maybe I studied AND grasped the answers you didn't?

Shrug. That perspective doesn't surprise me.

 

[alang1216]

Shrug. That perspective doesn't surprise me.

What would my perspective be if I did grasp the answers you didn't? A bit arrogant to assume because you failed, everyone must fail.

 

[Meriweather]

What would my perspective be if I did grasp the answers you didn't? A bit arrogant to assume because you failed, everyone must fail.

Ah, but is where I have been a failure? For one who describes Jesus as a demi-god, I can assure you we are on two very different Ways. Taking a turn into trying to align with Greek/Roman mythology is quite a different quest. It comes to an end and with it a conclusion, which is a word that differs from answer.

 

[alang1216]

Ah, but is where I have been a failure? For one who describes Jesus as a demi-god, I can assure you we are on two very different Ways. Taking a turn into trying to align with Greek/Roman mythology is quite a different quest. It comes to an end and where with it a conclusion, which is a word that differs from answer.

Maybe you can explain what part Mary had in the birth of Jesus. Did she contribute an egg and therefore 1/2 the DNA of Jesus or was she only a carrier of Jesus with no genetic or physical connection to him?

Of course I understand you reject my point since Jesus is defined as fully human and fully divine. A semantic puzzle that defies understanding.

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe you can explain what part Mary had in the birth of Jesus. Did she contribute an egg and therefore 1/2 the DNA of Jesus or was she only a carrier of Jesus with no genetic or physical connection to him?

Here is the information scripture provides:

The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the Son of God."

Can you provide the scripture that talks about egg and DNA?

Of course I understand you reject my point since Jesus is defined as fully human and fully divine. A semantic puzzle that defies understanding.

I do not reject your point. I merely said I noted the point where you came to your conclusion, and then further noted a conclusion is not the same as an answer.

(We were once told to be careful about coming to conclusions because a conclusion is usually the point where one stops thinking/investigating. That's great advice for journalism students.)

 

[alang1216]

Here is the information scripture provides:

The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the Son of God."

Can you provide the scripture that talks about egg and DNA?

The writers of scripture didn't know about eggs and DNA but They did exist back then as they do today. If you can't answer my questions about Jesus, Mary, and DNA how can you say you know the nature of Jesus?

 

[Meriweather]

The writers of scripture didn't know about eggs and DNA but They did exist back then as they do today. If you can't answer my questions about Jesus, Mary, and DNA how can you say you know the nature of Jesus?

What we know of Jesus is from scripture. If you have another source, let's discuss what that source has to say about Jesus.

 

[alang1216]

What we know of Jesus is from scripture. If you have another source, let's discuss what that source has to say about Jesus.

You are quite right and when I have just a single source for information I am very critical about what I accept as true.

 

[ding]

Does it say why or are you asking me to invent some new sculpture?

It says why if you know how to read it and understand the culture of that day. These accounts are very nuanced. You can't read them like they happened yesterday in today's culture. Or like they are straightforward without nuances that would have been known in ancient times. Such as.... Women didn't go to the well alone back then. They went in groups. Why did she go alone? Because she had been shunned by the other women. The account even tells us why in verses 16-18.

So I stand by my original claim which is that you shouldn't be making statements like "people who believe the Bible is the word of God don't make the effort to understand it" when you have never made an effort to understand it.

If I believed your interpretations of scripture I wouldn't believe either. The problem is your interpretations are skewed by your disbelief.

 

[Meriweather]

You are quite right and when I have just a single source for information I am very critical about what I accept as true.

And that is why I am always advocating to seek and find God first, then study the Bible to learn of others' experiences with/of God. How easily distracted some are. God? Hold on a minute for a study of an egg and DNA instead. Wait! Did Noah have enough zebras to feed the lions because now that is the priority over seeking God. Or, can a man can survive three days living in a big fish, because knowing that is more interesting than meeting up with God.

 

[alang1216]

It says why if you know how to read it and understand the culture of that day. These accounts are very nuanced. You can't read them like they happened yesterday in today's culture. Or like they are straightforward without nuances that would have been known in ancient times. Such as.... Women didn't go to the well alone back then. They went in groups. Why did she go alone? Because she had been shunned by the other women. The account even tells us why in verses 16-18.

So I stand by my original claim which is that you shouldn't be making statements like "people who believe the Bible is the word of God don't make the effort to understand it" when you have never made an effort to understand it.

If I believed your interpretations of scripture I wouldn't believe either. The problem is your interpretations are skewed by your disbelief.

Assuming your interpretation is correct, why does it matter why she was shunned?

And that is why I am always advocating to seek and find God first, then study the Bible to learn of others' experiences with/of God. How easily distracted some are. God? Hold on a minute for a study of an egg and DNA instead. Wait! Did Noah have enough zebras to feed the lions because now that is the priority over seeking God. Or, can a man can survive three days living in a big fish, because knowing that is more interesting than meeting up with God.

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And that is why I am always advocating to seek and find God first, then study the Bible to learn of others' experiences with/of God. How easily distracted some are. God? Hold on a minute for a study of an egg and DNA instead. Wait! Did Noah have enough zebras to feed the lions because now that is the priority over seeking God. Or, can a man can survive three days living in a big fish, because knowing that is more interesting than meeting up with God.

So I need to believe in God before I can determine if God is real? That is not in my DNA.

 

[Meriweather]

So I need to believe in God before I can determine if God is real? That is not in my DNA.

You want to find out that God is? Then seek. Where has arguing with a book--even the Bible--gotten you?

 

[alang1216]

You want to find out that God is? Then seek. Where has arguing with a book--even the Bible--gotten you?

If the Bible is the work of God, where better to begin the search?

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

I looked at the evidence. The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.

Well if you looked at the evidence you had to read it somewhere. Why didn't you provide any links?

 

[Meriweather]

If the Bible is the work of God, where better to begin the search?

How many books did you read before you found a friend?

 

[ding]

Assuming your interpretation is correct, why does it matter why she was shunned?

It's not my interpretation. It was always known why she went to the well alone. Her ostracizations give the exchange between them more meaning. The point is these accounts are filled with nuances that someone like you who reads these accounts to confirm your bias has no chance of discovering. That you still can't figure out the relevance of this specific nuance in the context of their encounter only goes to prove my point. You read these accounts like an imbecile. We both know you aren't an imbecile. Just to be clear... I'm not asking you to believe in God. I'm only asking you to stop reading these accounts like an imbecile. If you can't find one possible thing of value from these accounts, it's because you aren't trying.

 

[ding]

So I need to believe in God before I can determine if God is real? That is not in my DNA.

God can be known from studying what God created. This has always been the starting point for seeking God.