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Sir Arthur Harris: Dutiful Soldier or War Criminal?

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On the contrary, it is Russian rulers tried to reform the country on European manner, not very successful for the most part.

Hence, a term that still lives on today in Russia. And something that the Soviets tried to emulate over and over again.

The "Potemkin Village".

Most of the Soviet Union was like that. Trying to show to the world how advanced they were, and many visitors seeing that seemed to be true. But only in the areas they were actually allowed to visit, most of the country was still living in standards closer to the 19th century than the 20th century. And like North Korea is today.

Heck, proof of how much the Soviet Union was a Potemkin Village can be clearly seen in 1959. Nikita Khrushchev visited the US at an exhibit in New York, to show what a "Modern US Home" looked like in 1959. He was accompanied by Vice President Nixon, and called it all "American Propaganda". He simply could not accept that by 1959, the average American home had electricity, plumbing, gas or electric heat, washing machines and driers, stoves, electric refrigerators, electric mixers, televisions, and all of the other things that most in the US owned. The First Secretary insisted over and over that was only how the rich in the US lived. He just could not comprehend that really was the standard of living for the majority of the country.

The real irony, was that the two men did come to an agreement, that the entire "Kitchen Debate" would be filmed (it was), and translated and released across both nations. The next day, it was broadcast across all three US networks, almost complete. The Soviet Union finally did broadcast it. With little translated that the Vice President said, and broadcast in the middle of the night so almost nobody saw it. And another thing he dismissed as "Propaganda" were things like supermarkets when he later visited the US, saying they were only created for the "elites" in the US, and that it could not be true that just anybody could shop at one.

The final irony, the First Secretary claimed that Nixon's grandchildren would grow up in a Communist nation. And the VP said Khrushchev's would grow up in freedom. And it was 33 years later that the Soviet Union collapsed, so guess which was right?

Well, in 1991 his son Sergei Khrushchev emigrated to the US and became a US citizen. Funny, I can't think of any of Nixon's children or grandchildren emigrating to a Communist country.


I will say that I actually do have some respect for Khrushchev, and his leadership over the Soviets was much less brutal than under Stalin. But he was a hardcore Communist, and simply could not believe that the US operated as freely and openly as it did.
 

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The "Potemkin Village".
"...this myth arose even before the beginning of Catherine's journey from St. Petersburg to the Crimea. Detractors began to spread rumors that things were going badly in the territories entrusted to Potemkin. The favorite of the Empress was accused of embezzlement. Catherine decided to check these rumors during a trip planned for the summer of 1787.
In many ways, Potemkin really counted solely on the external effect – he spent impressive sums on fireworks and illumination and diligently worked on the decoration of facades. The governors were obliged to allocate houses along the route of the Empress, repair roofs and fences, decorate windows with flowers. In the descriptions of Catherine's journey, decoration was recalled repeatedly: "Cities, villages, manors, and sometimes simple huts were so decorated with flowers, painted decorations and triumphal gates that their appearance deceived the eye, and they seemed to be some wonderful cities, magically created castles, magnificent gardens," Count Segur clamed. However, the houses with painted walls were not painted, but real, so the newly founded fortreses, cities and ports.
Even one of the creators of the myth of the "Potemkin villages", I.-A. Ehrenstrom, was forced to admit the fact that fortresses, wooden and stone houses, etc. were built on the territory of the desert steppe. Panchenko is sure that rumors about fake villages were spread by envoys of European powers, whom Catherine invited to travel with her to demonstrate her power and grandiose plans, and they, in turn, did not want to believe in the possibility of their implementation. Their skepticism was shared by Potemkin's competitors, who picked up rumors about the deliberate deception of the empress. This is how, according to A. Panchenko, the myth of the "Potemkin villages" arose.
And if earlier it was customary to use the phraseology "Potemkin villages" in the meaning of something "specially arranged to create a false impression of visible, ostentatious well-being, hiding the true situation, the state of something," then nowadays historians suggest interpreting this concept not as an attempt to imitate reality, but as an attempt to embellish it..."
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Free of charge. If you knew how much of what you know about Russia and its history is western shit...
But you will not, cos' you don't want to listen.
 

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I saw polls of New York citizens, everyone said that they never tried to bribe cops.
That's what they "said", huh? :badgrin: so, if I don't try to bride a cop that means he doesn't take bribes?
Even if there is corruption there, it is much less than in other countries.
What?! A million innocent men, women, and children were tortured and killed in Irak because of American corruption. And then there is Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, Grenada, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, San Salvadore, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Chile, Bosnia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc. etc. etc. Not to mention the Tuskeegee Experiment, MK ULTRA, the assassination of J.K. Kennedy, Olaf Plame, Osama bin Laden, Gul Rahman, Frank Olson ........ There is no nation upon this earth that is as corrupt as the U.S.
 

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Hence, a term that still lives on today in Russia. And something that the Soviets tried to emulate over and over again.

The "Potemkin Village".

Most of the Soviet Union was like that. Trying to show to the world how advanced they were, and many visitors seeing that seemed to be true. But only in the areas they were actually allowed to visit, most of the country was still living in standards closer to the 19th century than the 20th century. And like North Korea is today.

Heck, proof of how much the Soviet Union was a Potemkin Village can be clearly seen in 1959. Nikita Khrushchev visited the US at an exhibit in New York, to show what a "Modern US Home" looked like in 1959. He was accompanied by Vice President Nixon, and called it all "American Propaganda". He simply could not accept that by 1959, the average American home had electricity, plumbing, gas or electric heat, washing machines and driers, stoves, electric refrigerators, electric mixers, televisions, and all of the other things that most in the US owned. The First Secretary insisted over and over that was only how the rich in the US lived. He just could not comprehend that really was the standard of living for the majority of the country.

The real irony, was that the two men did come to an agreement, that the entire "Kitchen Debate" would be filmed (it was), and translated and released across both nations. The next day, it was broadcast across all three US networks, almost complete. The Soviet Union finally did broadcast it. With little translated that the Vice President said, and broadcast in the middle of the night so almost nobody saw it. And another thing he dismissed as "Propaganda" were things like supermarkets when he later visited the US, saying they were only created for the "elites" in the US, and that it could not be true that just anybody could shop at one.

The final irony, the First Secretary claimed that Nixon's grandchildren would grow up in a Communist nation. And the VP said Khrushchev's would grow up in freedom. And it was 33 years later that the Soviet Union collapsed, so guess which was right?

Well, in 1991 his son Sergei Khrushchev emigrated to the US and became a US citizen. Funny, I can't think of any of Nixon's children or grandchildren emigrating to a Communist country.


I will say that I actually do have some respect for Khrushchev, and his leadership over the Soviets was much less brutal than under Stalin. Bu was a hardcore Communist, and simply could not believe that the US operated as freely and openly as it did.
Khrushchev was a well-known demagogue. It wasn't strange that he was surprised seeing an average American home.

I read a book of Soviet authors Ilf and Petrov which is called 'One-storey America'. This book was written in 1930s and is based on their experience while travelling across the US at those times.

And not once they mentioned with surprise that even in some remote areas virtually in the middle of nowhere they were able to find a hotel with electricity, plumbing and water heating in it.

They even have a chapter in the book describing a home of some American engineer. With the prototypes of washing machine, dishwasher, microwave oven and so on. The thing which surprised Khrushchev so much.
 

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I read a book of Soviet authors Ilf and Petrov which is called 'One-storey America'.

It must be remembered that they were primarily satirists, as well as journalists for Pravda. So is that really unexpected?

And for those that love satire literature or Mel Brooks movies, they are also the creators of Ostap bender, the most famous work on him being "The Twelve Chairs". A superb story about a former member of the nobility, who is reduced to working as an anonymous government clerk after the Revolution. Until his mother-in-law when she is dying tells him she had hidden the family jewels inside one of a set of twelve dining room chairs.

And what follows is a madcap chase throughout the Soviet Union to hunt down each of the chairs and recover the jewels inside. Shortly after the journey, he meets and forms a partnership with a swindler and con man named Ostap Bender.

If anybody likes old cinema, there is actually a 1938 German adaptation available on Archive.Org.

 

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It must be remembered that they were primarily satirists, as well as journalists for Pravda. So is that really unexpected?

And for those that love satire literature or Mel Brooks movies, they are also the creators of Ostap bender, the most famous work on him being "The Twelve Chairs". A superb story about a former member of the nobility, who is reduced to working as an anonymous government clerk after the Revolution. Until his mother-in-law when she is dying tells him she had hidden the family jewels inside one of a set of twelve dining room chairs.

And what follows is a madcap chase throughout the Soviet Union to hunt down each of the chairs and recover the jewels inside. Shortly after the journey, he meets and forms a partnership with a swindler and con man named Ostap Bender.

If anybody likes old cinema, there is actually a 1938 German adaptation available on Archive.Org.

What unexpected? In that book they didn't try to darken American reality. Yes, some propagandist clichés also took place there, because without them it was impossible to publish the book. There was time when this book was forbidden in the SU, btw, because at some censors' thought it was propagating American way of life.

Yes, The Twelve Chairs and The Golden Calf are two most prominent their novels.
 

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so, if I don't try to bride a cop that means he doesn't take bribes?
Yes, because demand creates supply. Corruption is a kind of tradition, when it is spread, everyone is involved there and it is in the order of things
 

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There is no nation upon this earth that is as corrupt as the U.S.
It's a bullshit. When the government is corrupt, the people live in shit, and the Americans have a high standard of living.
When there is corruption in power, the institutions of power do not work, and the American police and military have excellent training.

I'll give you a real example. In russia, the average income of ordinary citizens in the provinces is in the region of $ 300-400 per month. In July, the police chief of Yegoryevsk, a provincial small town, with only 70 thousand population, was detained, he lived in a house that looks like a palace, with an area of 500 square meters, there was a bunker, and
there was found over $ 5 million in cash. His last name is Ermakov, you can check, there was a lot of news. They found it during a search, in another case.

Now compare the level of the economy of this small town and the size of the amount. Can you imagine such a scale of corruption in the United States?
 

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Is this real US police training?

These are ordinary cops, right I get it?
In Russia, even employees of special departments and the criminal investigation department do not train like that.
 

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I heard that CrossFit was built from the training of the American police, army and firefighters. This is the highest level of physical fitness. 95% of the population will not even be able to reach this level.
 

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Americans are so used to their well-being that they don't value it. They could not even imagine how lousy government services are in other countries, especially in third world countries.
 

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Yes, because demand creates supply. Corruption is a kind of tradition, when it is spread, everyone is involved there and it is in the order of things

It's a bullshit. When the government is corrupt, the people live in shit, and the Americans have a high standard of living.
When there is corruption in power, the institutions of power do not work, and the American police and military have excellent training.

I'll give you a real example. In russia, the average income of ordinary citizens in the provinces is in the region of $ 300-400 per month. In July, the police chief of Yegoryevsk, a provincial small town, with only 70 thousand population, was detained, he lived in a house that looks like a palace, with an area of 500 square meters, there was a bunker, and
there was found over $ 5 million in cash. His last name is Ermakov, you can check, there was a lot of news. They found it during a search, in another case.

Now compare the level of the economy of this small town and the size of the amount. Can you imagine such a scale of corruption in the United States?
I can sum up these posts of yours in two words: Young and/or Inexperienced and to quote this, "Americans have a high standard of living" is proof enough that you know very little about the world.
 

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In Russia, even employees of special departments and the criminal investigation department do not train like that.

Yes, like in many countries they just call in the military if things get to intense for them to handle.

There are laws preventing that in the US, therefore the law enforcement has to handle everything short of an actual insurrection.
 

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Yes, like in many countries they just call in the military if things get to intense for them to handle.

There are laws preventing that in the US, therefore the law enforcement has to handle everything short of an actual insurrection.
I think this is a good practice, it makes the army independent from the state. This is an institution of right-wing democracy. This is good for both the army and the people.
 

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Yes, like in many countries they just call in the military if things get to intense for them to handle.

There are laws preventing that in the US, therefore the law enforcement has to handle everything short of an actual insurrection.
This issue can be explored in the context of the army itself. In the United States, a professional army is probably the only country in the world to have a professional army. Left armies are always not professional, and for a reason. The army of the left regime must be easily manipulated. To do this, it must be absolutely centralized, and not have individualism. The best soldier of the left army is a slave who only obeys orders, at all levels, then this army is completely in the hands of the state.
The professionalism of a soldier presupposes brains and initiative, this is contrary to the interests of the left leadership.

In modern leftist states, slavery has been abolished, but in relation to the army, it has remained unchanged. The soldier of the left state is a slave even now. He does not have a political position and has no initiative; it is an easily manageable faceless unit.
Moreover, in addition to semantics, the external attributes of slavery remained there. The soldier is limited in movement, performs all economic functions, they check the cleanliness of his body and linen, lice, he constantly marching in formation, and so on.
 
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Are you really trying to sell this nonsense that the workers in the West were inspired by the Soviet Union to struggle for their rights? Jesus..

Read something about trade unions in Europe and the English industrial revolution.

Russia was never an example for the West as it was deemed as illiterate and backward country throughout all its history. On the contrary, it is Russian rulers tried to reform the country on European manner, not very successful for the most part.
Here you are not quite right. Russia now means the entire territory of the Russian Federation, and historical Russia is only Belarus, Lithuania and Moscow. This is a Baltic region, and this region has really always been backward, before the Avars came there was not even iron, and they used bone needles. But this is precisely what European culture was. It was this region that was originally European. Europe itself has also been extremely backward historically. The East had a history of thousands of years. It was from there that technical progress came to backward Europe. Europe has historically been the most backward region on earth. And in the Middle Ages, they again slipped into obscurantism and illiteracy, they forgot how to even wash
Russia at the time of the Austrian Habsburgs was a fairly progressive country, like the whole of Eastern Europe. Science and art were developed there, many Russian scientists of the 19th century are known throughout the world as the greatest scientists. Such as Mendeleev, Vernadsky, Mechnikov and so on.
The real Russia is the heiress of the Golden Hordes and not of the Litvin Rus. Russia is not a Russian country.
 

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Khrushchev was a well-known demagogue. It wasn't strange that he was surprised seeing an average American home.

I read a book of Soviet authors Ilf and Petrov which is called 'One-storey America'. This book was written in 1930s and is based on their experience while travelling across the US at those times.
Ilf and Petrov were Stalin's fosterlings. What does Khrushchev have to do with it? Khrushchev was in the United States and did not hide anything, his photographs were published in the Soviet press. Khrushchev was the leader of the right deviation, he hated Bolshevism.
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