Simple questions - never answered.

[Nosmo King]

In every case, I mean 100% of the time, when I inspect a Section Eight unit, the problems are minor (faulty smoke detector. fix? $1.79 and a new 9 volt battery) When I inspect non Section Eight properties, I find fuel oil tanks improperly installed (one had no provision to fill the tank, another had no exterior vent) I find foundations that have collapsed (in one case, the landlord simply placed the stones back in the void without mortar and shimmed the sill with paint stirring sticks and asphalt shingles)

The government programs provide basic guidelines and regulations. municipal building codes generally don't. The HUD properties are inspected annually. I can only inspect after a building permit has been issued.

Of course that's what you think... you feed off the public. You're a public sector parasite. I've dealt with your kind... replacing a six-foot privacy fence at one of my rentals becomes a three-month Odyssey complete with fees, fines and government dolts who couldn't make a dime in the private sector lecturing me on servitudes and right-of-ways.

Section 8. Don't get me started. I had an inspection one year and they found some things. We fixed them, at great cost. The tenant was no better off because we had grates over the tiny openings in the crawlspace. But OK.
The next year they came back with another laundry list of things that were fine the previous year and hadn't changed at all.
Section 8 drives up costs for landlords and limits choice for tenants. That is one program that can be easily cut.

Section Eight provides that the rentals are decent, safe and sanitary. The Housing quality Standards (HQS) are quite broadly written and easily complied with. Section Eight pays off like an ATM every month for you landlords. Never late, never a bounced check. Section Eight provides an annual inspection of your properties. Do you inspect your rentals regularly?

 

[Two Thumbs]

The stereo-typical RWer ~ Probably because such a RWer doesn't think of the consequences.

This sums the rightwingers up. Whenever a Democrat makes a proposal, it is always accompanied by the long range projections, but you will never see a rightwinger do that. They shoot from the hip and don't care who they hit in the process. That's not said to be mean, it is just a fact.

You're a lying moron.

That was said to be mean, b/c I like to be honest, and is an unrefutable fact.

 

[Nosmo King]

Of course that's what you think... you feed off the public. You're a public sector parasite. I've dealt with your kind... replacing a six-foot privacy fence at one of my rentals becomes a three-month Odyssey complete with fees, fines and government dolts who couldn't make a dime in the private sector lecturing me on servitudes and right-of-ways.

You want to live in a community without building codes? Great ! Move to Port au Prince Haiti!


You should learn a little before demonstrating how ignorant you truly are.

This is the plaint of every government drone. If you don't have strangling overwhelming regulations then people will be dying in the street. It's a false dichotomy. It isn't tenable on any logical basis.

Of course it's a false dichotomy. "strangling overwhelming regulations" which of the HQS regulations are strangling overwhelming? You use hyperbole to cast disdain on an argument you framed as hyperbole. Try again.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course that's what you think... you feed off the public. You're a public sector parasite. I've dealt with your kind... replacing a six-foot privacy fence at one of my rentals becomes a three-month Odyssey complete with fees, fines and government dolts who couldn't make a dime in the private sector lecturing me on servitudes and right-of-ways.

Section 8. Don't get me started. I had an inspection one year and they found some things. We fixed them, at great cost. The tenant was no better off because we had grates over the tiny openings in the crawlspace. But OK.
The next year they came back with another laundry list of things that were fine the previous year and hadn't changed at all.
Section 8 drives up costs for landlords and limits choice for tenants. That is one program that can be easily cut.

Section Eight provides that the rentals are decent, safe and sanitary. The Housing quality Standards (HQS) are quite broadly written and easily complied with. Section Eight pays off like an ATM every month for you landlords. Never late, never a bounced check. Section Eight provides an annual inspection of your properties. Do you inspect your rentals regularly?

Section 8 provides standards that are cavalier and capricious and subject to whatever the hell the inspector thinks they ought to be. The last inspection cost about $2500 to be "easily complied with." On a $430 apartment you can do the math. Actually you probably can't. The next year came back with another $3k list of repairs.
I do not inspect my properties annually. But my tenants inspect it daily. And when they have a problem they call me. Shockingly I have never had a tenant injured or killed in 17 years of being a landlord with up to 15 units under management. All this despite not having Section 8 inspections.
Dump the whole ******* useless gov't program, give people vouchers and let them live where they want.

 

[asterism]

This sums the rightwingers up. Whenever a Democrat makes a proposal, it is always accompanied by the long range projections, but you will never see a rightwinger do that. They shoot from the hip and don't care who they hit in the process. That's not said to be mean, it is just a fact.

Without accepting your premise, what is the virtue of long range projections that are always wrong?

Thinking ahead is not "always wrong"; there is nothing virtuous of not planning ahead or considering the consequences before one acts - it's kind of what all of us ought to have learned way before we entered school.

That doesn't answer the question, but it appears that was the point. So what's the virtue in making predictions to accompany policy proposals that are never correct? Name one CBO projection that was accurate.

 

[The Rabbi]

Without accepting your premise, what is the virtue of long range projections that are always wrong?

Thinking ahead is not "always wrong"; there is nothing virtuous of not planning ahead or considering the consequences before one acts - it's kind of what all of us ought to have learned way before we entered school.

That doesn't answer the question, but it appears that was the point. So what's the virtue in making predictions to accompany policy proposals that are never correct? Name one CBO projection that was accurate.

You are seeing a typical liberal mindset. They cannot imagine that people will do well on their own. Merely letting them go and do what they want will lead to Haitian-style chaos (never mind Haiti has been a dictatorship forever). They have no trust in their fellow citizens. So everything must be spelled out. Everything must be in order. Everything must have a regulation to accompany it. Otherwise we will turn to cannibalism.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Section 8. Don't get me started. I had an inspection one year and they found some things. We fixed them, at great cost. The tenant was no better off because we had grates over the tiny openings in the crawlspace. But OK.
The next year they came back with another laundry list of things that were fine the previous year and hadn't changed at all.
Section 8 drives up costs for landlords and limits choice for tenants. That is one program that can be easily cut.

Section Eight provides that the rentals are decent, safe and sanitary. The Housing quality Standards (HQS) are quite broadly written and easily complied with. Section Eight pays off like an ATM every month for you landlords. Never late, never a bounced check. Section Eight provides an annual inspection of your properties. Do you inspect your rentals regularly?

Section 8 provides standards that are cavalier and capricious and subject to whatever the hell the inspector thinks they ought to be. The last inspection cost about $2500 to be "easily complied with." On a $430 apartment you can do the math. Actually you probably can't. The next year came back with another $3k list of repairs.
I do not inspect my properties annually. But my tenants inspect it daily. And when they have a problem they call me. Shockingly I have never had a tenant injured or killed in 17 years of being a landlord with up to 15 units under management. All this despite not having Section 8 inspections.
Dump the whole ******* useless gov't program, give people vouchers and let them live where they want.

I see now, Rabbi is a slum lord. That explains much.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Section Eight provides that the rentals are decent, safe and sanitary. The Housing quality Standards (HQS) are quite broadly written and easily complied with. Section Eight pays off like an ATM every month for you landlords. Never late, never a bounced check. Section Eight provides an annual inspection of your properties. Do you inspect your rentals regularly?

Section 8 provides standards that are cavalier and capricious and subject to whatever the hell the inspector thinks they ought to be. The last inspection cost about $2500 to be "easily complied with." On a $430 apartment you can do the math. Actually you probably can't. The next year came back with another $3k list of repairs.
I do not inspect my properties annually. But my tenants inspect it daily. And when they have a problem they call me. Shockingly I have never had a tenant injured or killed in 17 years of being a landlord with up to 15 units under management. All this despite not having Section 8 inspections.
Dump the whole ******* useless gov't program, give people vouchers and let them live where they want.

I see now, Rabbi is a slum lord. That explains much.

Even for you, that's low

 

[Bern80]

Here
You talk of constitutional authority on education. Show me where the US Troop should be off American soil & defending anyone else but US citizens. Cut the cord...............save 50% of the budget & restore sanity.

I generally agree, but one could make the argument that if protecting the U.S. means having bases on foreign soil, so be it. I can certainly see the logic and logistics behind having staging points around the world. But a lot of them aren't neccessary.[/QUOTE]

Everybody needs it, even Senator McCain. Just make a law that anyone using SS funds for any other purpose is committing a felony & will be punished to the full extent of the law. It would be solvent in a few years.

No everyone doesn't need it. Though I agree with your law proposal. We could cut the SS tax by only paying social security that actually need some security. If you have a middle class job of some type your 401k is going to provide vastly more than social security to the point where its going to make a $700-$800 a month SS check laughable. I totally agree with the overall idea of helping people that can't help themselves, which is why privatizing SS and/or making it optional isn't gonna work. So the next best thing I can think is to at least lower the tax on it and use on the people that really need it.

Why sure they do, to promote the general welfare. Why not put the tax burden on corporations who benefit the most from that education. Corporations do not pay their fair share of taxes, or pay no taxes at all.

Ah the ever mis-cited general welfare clause. I can get into why even a loose interpretation of that clause doesn't permit the fed to have a hand in education, but the short version is that clause does not, contrary to popular opinion, allow the fed to do whatever it wants in the name of general welfare.

 

[JBeukema]

1. Cut capital gains to 5%.

2. No corporate income tax for the first 5 years of any new business

Effect: GDP doubles in 5 years

Where did you get these numbers?

 

[JBeukema]

It's so hard to discuss economics with someone who learned about the private sector from reading "Das Kaiital" or Paul Krugman.

I think it's pretty clear which of us has a grasp on the private sector and who has only lyrical knowledge about it.

Thanks for pointing out that I read, and have read articles by Krugman as well as excerpts from Dos Kapital (though I must have missed Das Kaital) as an undergrad, and most of the works of the 18th and 19th Century political theorists who influenced our founding fathers.
You, Frank, seem to post contemporary new right bull shit, which suggests your 'learning' has been from secondary sources, most or all of which might be classified as propagandists and members of the Ministry of Truth (those RW authors who choose to re-write history).

LOL. You caught a typo. Good to see you're putting your time to productive use.

...


'Dos Capital'?

Is that, like... Bill Gates' manifesto?

 

[The Rabbi]

Section 8 provides standards that are cavalier and capricious and subject to whatever the hell the inspector thinks they ought to be. The last inspection cost about $2500 to be "easily complied with." On a $430 apartment you can do the math. Actually you probably can't. The next year came back with another $3k list of repairs.
I do not inspect my properties annually. But my tenants inspect it daily. And when they have a problem they call me. Shockingly I have never had a tenant injured or killed in 17 years of being a landlord with up to 15 units under management. All this despite not having Section 8 inspections.
Dump the whole ******* useless gov't program, give people vouchers and let them live where they want.

I see now, Rabbi is a slum lord. That explains much.

Even for you, that's low

Nah. Simple class envy.
"There are people in this country who cannot see a fat man standing next to a thin man and think the fat man got that way by taking something from the other fellow." -Reagan.

 

[Avatar4321]

The stereo-typical RWer wants to cut taxes and cut regulations and cut government but never suggests which taxes will be cut & the impact of such cuts; which regulations to eliminate and the impact of less oversight; and which government agencies to cut and the consequences of those cuts.

Probably because such a RWer doesn't think of the consequences. It's the tea party mentality, simple solutions to complex problems, and exactly why I find the new right to be populated by simple simons and simple susans.

In place of the usual personal attacks and idiotgrams is there anyone who plans to vote for a Sarah Palin type candidate whose considered the consequences? Or, as I suspect, is a vote for a tea party candidate nothing more than an emotional brain fart?

Not really our fault that you never pay attention to the answers.

Tell me, why is you expect us to question the consequences of the cuts, but you never bother asking yourself what the consequence of the regulation is?

You know, the way if you tax rich people too much, they move their money and themselves places where the taxes are preferable so as to keep their wealth. Thus lowering the tax revune and tax base of the place raising taxes?

Or maybe the fact that using government to artificially increase labor costs forces businesses to move labor opperations to places where labor costs are cheaper?

What about those consequences?

Or what will the consequences be when our government runs out of money because of the spending? Would it not be wiser to fix the problem before we get to that position and ween people off the teet of government so that they aren't rioting in the streets when we can't make payments?

Or do you actually want our government collapse and the people to be rioting in the streets?

 

[JBeukema]

I'm the county building inspector. Do you want to argue from anedotal evidence, or shall I give you real world examples of landlord abuse?

...and that's with HUD Fannie, Freddie and the Department of Education.

no doubt, we must need more government

In every case, I mean 100% of the time, when I inspect a Section Eight unit, the problems are minor (faulty smoke detector. fix? $1.79 and a new 9 volt battery) When I inspect non Section Eight properties, I find fuel oil tanks improperly installed (one had no provision to fill the tank, another had no exterior vent) I find foundations that have collapsed (in one case, the landlord simply placed the stones back in the void without mortar and shimmed the sill with paint stirring sticks and asphalt shingles)

The government programs provide basic guidelines and regulations. municipal building codes generally don't. The HUD properties are inspected annually. I can only inspect after a building permit has been issued.

I'd like to see some sort of report filed with some agency or group of repute.

 

[Oddball]

The stereo-typical RWer wants to cut taxes and cut regulations and cut government but never suggests which taxes will be cut & the impact of such cuts; which regulations to eliminate and the impact of less oversight; and which government agencies to cut and the consequences of those cuts.

Probably because such a RWer doesn't think of the consequences. It's the tea party mentality, simple solutions to complex problems, and exactly why I find the new right to be populated by simple simons and simple susans.

In place of the usual personal attacks and idiotgrams is there anyone who plans to vote for a Sarah Palin type candidate whose considered the consequences? Or, as I suspect, is a vote for a tea party candidate nothing more than an emotional brain fart?

They've been specified times so numerous that you have to be either too stupid and/or too lazy to do a forum search, for those proposed tax & policy changes and projected resultant effects.

But one effect is for certain: Just propose slowing the growth of the authoritarian socialistic do-gooder nanny state (and don't dare let out a peep about actual cuts) and you'll be howled and screeched about as the mean-spirited, hard-hearted, wrongheaded, cold, cruel, selfish, bigoted, neanderthal anarchist, who wants the elderly and sainted pooooooooor to die in the streets, the holy chiiiiillllllldrrreeeeeennnnnn starving, barefoot and uneducated, the skies brown, rivers burning with oil fires, unwanted kittens put in gunny sacks and thrown into those burning rivers, women stampeded and cattle raped.

No OddDude, you will be characterized as a follower of simple solutions to complex problems. In fact no one who advocates wholesale cuts ever considers the consequences of the cuts.
Government can and should be made more efficient; simply cutting or adding revenue to programs makes no sense, and this is why the fringe on both the far left and the far right are fringe - they make no effort to understand the consequences of such policies and react emotionally (or in your case hysterically).

No one who advocates wholesale cuts has ever posted a reasonable argument demonstrating the cost-benefits/harms of such cuts.
For example, let's assume the FDA is eliminated. Are you able to foresee consequences of such an action? I doubt you can, beyond the obvious. And that is why I find the new right so dumb.

The "consequences" are in fact benefits.

Fewer leech bureaucrats, lower taxes, lower costs of doing business, more money in the real economy available for production.

And the FDA is exactly the kind of money-sucking, do-nothing bureaucracy that needs to be junked. Private organizations, like Underwriter's Laboratories or the insurers of the given pharm company, can take care of the approval/certification/liability process much more efficiently than can the protection racketeers at the FDA.

But dour and pessimistic do-gooders like you can't see past your misanthropy, to give anyone who isn't a big nanny state politician or bureaucrat any credit for anything positive.

 

[JBeukema]

give people vouchers and let them live where they want.

For once, the babyballsucker has said something smart

 

[Oddball]

Wow...Just say "misanthrope" and look who comes slithering in!

 

[Wry Catcher]

the stereo-typical rwer wants to cut taxes and cut regulations and cut government but never suggests which taxes will be cut & the impact of such cuts; which regulations to eliminate and the impact of less oversight; and which government agencies to cut and the consequences of those cuts.

Probably because such a rwer doesn't think of the consequences. It's the tea party mentality, simple solutions to complex problems, and exactly why i find the new right to be populated by simple simons and simple susans.

In place of the usual personal attacks and idiotgrams is there anyone who plans to vote for a sarah palin type candidate whose considered the consequences? Or, as i suspect, is a vote for a tea party candidate nothing more than an emotional brain fart?

not really our fault that you never pay attention to the answers.
There never are answers, only someone such as you or oddude saying 'asked and answered'.
Tell me, why is you expect us to question the consequences of the cuts, but you never bother asking yourself what the consequence of the regulation is?
I understand the consequences of the regulations, some are silly, some are life and death necessary. Don't put words in my mouth.
You know, the way if you tax rich people too much, they move their money and themselves places where the taxes are preferable so as to keep their wealth. Thus lowering the tax revune and tax base of the place raising taxes?
Of course. But how much is too much? Ever played simcity? I suggest you buy the game and play it sans taxes and with too high taxes - same result.Or maybe the fact that using government to artificially increase labor costs forces businesses to move labor opperations to places where labor costs are cheaper?
I suppose that means ending minimum wage laws. Not being a callous conservative i believe wages would be below the poverty level and/or below a living wage if it were up to business owners, generlly. That my friend is when reality kicks in and we have labor strive much like we did in the early 20th century.What about those consequences?

Or what will the consequences be when our government runs out of money because of the spending? Would it not be wiser to fix the problem before we get to that position and ween people off the teet of government so that they aren't rioting in the streets when we can't make payments?
If you're refrerring to france, that is a good argument. However, this is not france and we are not 'there' yet. Reasonable people can make compromise and come to a win-win place. The fact is the republican party is not reasonable and the new right wing is so far fringe they alienate everyone who is not in lock-step agreement with them.Or do you actually want our government collapse and the people to be rioting in the streets?

i don't actually want that, which is why i oppose the fringe, left and right.

 

[JBeukema]

Wow...Just say "misanthrope" and look who comes slithering in!

yep... there you are...

 

[Rozman]

1. Cut capital gains to 5%.

2. No corporate income tax for the first 5 years of any new business

Effect: GDP doubles in 5 years

They also could have done something to freeze payroll taxes for at least 6 months when this first started.It would have cost them the same,maybe even less.The effect would have been the same or as I believe would have gotten money moving into the economy via spending.But God forbid the Government part with any money that comes from the people it governs.After all the Obama administration views the money we make as the governments money and it kills them that they can't take it all.