Moonglow
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Have you been trying to arm worms and what does that have to do with geopolitics in the US? Both sides show their fanaticism every damn day and it's annoying to watch adults act like grade school kids.
Simple fact about Afghanistan.
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Moonglow
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Hey now, they got Ford trucks also....
bendog
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Apparently you do, for your Trump manlove
And who the fuck cares? Trump and Biden agreed the war needed to end. And it has.
Apparently you do, for your Trump manlove
Moonglow
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The ME policy was to destabilize the radical and overthrow their govt. with our radicals.
bendog
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I never saw an Aghan "policy" from W or really Obama. I guess W could be so naive to think we'd create a democracy. We apparently were concerned that they didn't treat women well, but James Minchner wrote a book on that back in the 1970s. After OBL was killed and Bandar imprisoned in Pak .... what was the point?
Moonglow
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The usual corporate profits.
bendog
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W was plain and simply incompetent to understand any country further away than Mexico and maybe Venezuela. He was also a bad judge of people's characters.
Obama thought way too much of his own abilites.
hahah there is doing some right, and doing something wrong
That’s like saying my mechanic and i agreed i needed to new tires and i got new tires, but they are all flat…so who cares!?
what a dumbass thing to say
AntonToo
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Can you stop spreading blatant bullshit already? He was not in Gitmo, he was jailed in Pakistan and released in 2018.
You seriously sound like someone too far gone in Trumplandia to be able to deal with reality.
If Trump was president the Afghan government never would have folded while we were still in country......and Trump never would have left hundreds of Americans still hiding from the Taliban. He would have been bombing the shit out the Taliban and they wouldn't be on our bases celebrating. They would have wished they never stepped into Kabul. Most of them can't believe that it was this easy.
But because nobody fears the Biden Adm.....well....this is what happens.
Jailed in Pakistan....Pakistan....loyal allies to the Taliban?
On what planet do you think Pakistan would be keeping their best allies in jail.
At worst....he was living on a secure compound with his wives and children watching TV and vegging out to Raghead music....JUST LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS!!!!!
harmonica
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frigidweirdo older than you
Taliban leader was freed from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 swap by Obama
When President Barack Obama released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison in exchange for an American deserter in 2014, he assured a wary public that the dangerous enemy comb…
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When President Barack Obama released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison in exchange for an American deserter in 2014, he assured a wary public that the dangerous enemy combatants would be transferred to Qatar and kept from causing any trouble in Afghanistan.
In fact, they were left free to engineer Sunday’s sacking of Kabul.
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Earlier this year, one of them, Khairullah Khairkhwa, actually sat across the table from President Biden’s envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, in Moscow, where Khairkhwa was part of the official Taliban delegation that negotiated the final terms of the US withdrawal. The retreat cleared a path for the Taliban to retake power after 20 years."
Once Jailed in Guantánamo, 5 Taliban Now Face U.S. at Peace Talks (Published 2019)
The Taliban made a point of building their team around the five ex-detainees. But one insists that they have put bitterness aside to try to end the Afghan war.
Once Jailed in Guantánamo, 5 Taliban Now Face U.S. at Peace Talks
Xiden and Obama had their leaders locked up....they let them go....
Yarddog
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How about we at least pulled out of Afghanistan after we had an accurate assessment of what was going on instead of distortions? Did the Afghan army really have 300K soldiers ready to fight as repeated by Biden? I highly doubt it. He had also promised those fighters some air support which never arrived for them..... that had to be a moral killer as well in the last week and days.
Once we saw the Afghans were losing control, we should have regained control until we got all the Americans out and our allies.... we had the capability. Biden is lying if he says we didnt.
Secondly, we hadn't been at war for quite some time now in Afghanistan. Biden keeps repeating we need to get out of this "forever war".... we simply had been supplying air cover and logistics for quite a while. That's hardly a "WAR" ... we were simply backing up a friend and ally in the Afghan people in THEIR war against the taliban. Many more of them had died, 60,000 or so.
And yes they would have eventually been ready. The problem with the current crop of soldiers is that so many of them were illiterate... even the commanders. In 20 years, you could say "education" for Afghans was just starting to take off. That will all come to an end and the self fulfilling prophecy for Afghanistan will once more come true. Women will once more be put in their place and you can bet all the 20 somethings and younger who had these strange new ideas of freedom are going to face really horrific punishments when they start to protest or try to continue on with the only life they have ever known.
I understand wanting to be out of Afghanistan. but if there was ever one country on earth that could have used the help it is THAT place. It's not like the U.S. had to be in it alone either.. there was plenty of other international support.
Agree though. In the very first place we should have just bombed the hell out of Taliban positions, maybe sent in troops to root out the leadership but then gotten right out in the first year. Problem is once we went this far, we made promises and gave hope to people that their life could be different. As the leader of the free world, sometimes when you make those promises you have to stick it out. A big problem here was the false assessment of what the Afghan army was capable of.
AntonToo
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You are clueless. American spends billions in Pakistan and they are considered our allies. Over time they've shown that they don't particularly like to bite the hand that feeds.
From 2010:
The Taliban’s top military commander was captured several days ago in Karachi, Pakistan, in a secret joint operation by Pakistani and American intelligence forces, according to American government officials.
The participation of Pakistan’s spy service could suggest a new level of cooperation from Pakistan’s leaders, who have been ambivalent about American efforts to crush the Taliban. Increasingly, the Americans say, senior leaders in Pakistan, including the chief of its army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, have gradually come around to the view that they can no longer support the Taliban in Afghanistan as they have quietly done for years without endangering themselves
Secret Joint Raid Captures Taliban’s Top Commander (Published 2010)
Pakistani and American intelligence forces captured Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the most significant Taliban figure to be detained in the war in Afghanistan, officials said.
He was jailed there untill Trump administration approved/requested his release.
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AntonToo
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...wtf does it have to do with Mullah Baradar release in 2018 and then leading negotiations with Trump admin???Taliban leader was freed from Guantanamo Bay in 2014 swap by Obama
When President Barack Obama released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison in exchange for an American deserter in 2014, he assured a wary public that the dangerous enemy comb…
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When President Barack Obama released five Taliban commanders from the Guantanamo Bay prison in exchange for an American deserter in 2014, he assured a wary public that the dangerous enemy combatants would be transferred to Qatar and kept from causing any trouble in Afghanistan.
In fact, they were left free to engineer Sunday’s sacking of Kabul.
...
Earlier this year, one of them, Khairullah Khairkhwa, actually sat across the table from President Biden’s envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, in Moscow, where Khairkhwa was part of the official Taliban delegation that negotiated the final terms of the US withdrawal. The retreat cleared a path for the Taliban to retake power after 20 years."
Once Jailed in Guantánamo, 5 Taliban Now Face U.S. at Peace Talks (Published 2019)
The Taliban made a point of building their team around the five ex-detainees. But one insists that they have put bitterness aside to try to end the Afghan war.www.nytimes.com
Once Jailed in Guantánamo, 5 Taliban Now Face U.S. at Peace Talks
Xiden and Obama had their leaders locked up....they let them go....
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j-mac
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Ok, but at the time Senator Joe Biden said that’s what we had to do as well ….
j-mac
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Hmmmm…thought to be eh? They don’t know….Did they contact the thousands of others? Let me see the data.Well you let me know what your "reading comprehension problems" are:
The enormous evacuation operation, unfolding after the unexpectedly rapid collapse of the Afghan government, airlifted some 123,000 people out of the country in the last two months, including about 6,000 Americans.
A military official said that every American who wanted to leave and could get to the airport was taken out. But a number of Americans, thought to be fewer than 300, remain, either by choice or because they were unable to reach the airport.
U.S. War in Afghanistan Ends as Final Evacuation Flights Depart
The last U.S. military plane left Kabul Monday night, ending a presence that spanned two decades but failed to defeat the Taliban and left behind tens of thousands of Afghans.
AntonToo
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That is pure fantasy, as soon as we headed for the exit they folded.
Trump was all in on withdrawal and there is nothing that would keep that chicken shit government togather no matter when we left.
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