Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[22lcidw]

Interesting that the US, which clearly isnt great according to rankings of almost every metric, otherwise MAGA wouldnt have to say MAKE it great AGAIN. I dont think we rate high enough across the board to be a success outside of wealth and power. We also arent the conservative model yet.

The Trump administration is moderate populism. You brag about the Democrats and what they did after WW 2. Well, that is how close they come. There are some conservative planks though. It will be a long time before Conservatism returns to D.C. If ever.

 

[Unkotare]

Lets just stick to outcomes vs personal opinion of what is great. The outcomes for MA are much better than the most of the nation. That is why they end up ranked high on every measure except affordability.

You don't have to tell me, but I get the distinct feeling you've never been here.

 

[citygator]

Most large cities are liberal and have been for many years. Educationally, when it comes to math, science, reading and civics, we don't rank very high when pitted against other nations. Former Democrat Governor Richard D. Lamm, who is not a fan of the US, has said that one of the ways to aid in destroying the US, is to "dumb down the population." Our educational system has definitely been working on that.
Leftist governments are all about high taxes and unlimited migration, which if you look at current Europe, with a couple of exceptions, are being destroyed and being replaced with low IQ religious zealots. If you look at the educational system in the migrants home nations, you will see bottom end level education systems.
The US is quickly following in their footsteps because of the previous administration's open border policies.

The US has much better education results in Blue states than Red states. That is a fact. I linked it above. Still, I assume you cant point to a working model of right wing government.

 

[Marchimedes]

Using that logic, I could say that the country producing the most cotton candy and comedy movies is the happiest.

I would say access to liquor, gambling and hookers.

 

[22lcidw]

The US has much better education results in Blue states than Red states. That is a fact. I linked it above. Still, I assume you cant point to a working model of right wing government.

Inner cities graduate a good percentage of functionally illiterate students. They are condemned as employees. So, the standards were dropped, and DEI is a word for it now. We see the costs. Our fiat currency has matured. It has stopped giving as much as it takes more and more as the price. The real inflation is seen in our infrastructure of all kinds as an example.

 

[citygator]

What is your definition of sucks.

Low outcomes. I linked many rankings of low outcomes. GDP per capita, mobility scores, life expectancy, education, and on and on.

I like going to China. It's a great place to visit. And once you get past the initial suspicion, the people are very warm and friendly.

Feel free to pimp for communism. It results in poor outcomes. I have lived in Hong Kong and spent extensive time in China for my job.

If you mean what you listed in your OP, it's bullshit. Those metrics are highly influenced by people who favor certain things and weigh them. Healthcare being the largest and it works against the U.S.

Outcomes are metrics. Not bullshit.

What studies....again your bullshit OP?

These countries have long and well established cultural norms that I highly respect. That is more a factor in their success.


We've pointed them out time after time and you just stick your head farther up your ass in an effort to muffle the sound.

Cultural norms of liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust.

The U.S. is not a success story? Got it.

Does this mean you'll do us all a favor and move?

The US has worse outcomes compared to the best countries. It has really good outcomes though, just not the best. This country can use people like me that try to be the best vs people like you who want to just cheer about failings. My pursuit of better results has landed me a top 0.5% paying job.

Failed communist nations are a point, but not here. Of course, each of these countries demonstates a huge amount of flexibility in their approach to things too. This, on top of great social norms. This is one topic I've known about but would like to study more. It's called Sisu:

Finnish culture is deeply intertwined with sisu, a concept that embodies grit, determination, and inner strength. This mindset is rooted in Finland's harsh natural environment, where resilience is essential for survival. Sisu is not just about physical endurance; it encompasses mental and emotional resilience, encouraging individuals to find strength through adversity. The Finnish way of life, shaped by long, cold winters and rugged landscapes, fosters a culture of perseverance and adaptability, making Finns uniquely tough in the face of challenges.

I would love to see our entitled class have to face something like what they do. They'd all freeze to death whining about not getting enough SNAP.

Those countries have a much more generous welfare state than the US. Funny you watch an action flick and think you know foreign culture. Those countries are no where near your right wing dream of a country. They hate your ideas and implement the opposite so dont try to draft off their ideas and act like they are aligned with your bullshit.

So the government isn't the big factor. It reflects a strong culture.

Our culture has gone to hell.

are we great or not? ****, a few lines up you said we were great. Now we arent. I need smarter debaters.

My irony meter just broke because the needle pegged so hard.

You still cant list out a country that demonstrates right wing policies that is successful.

 

[citygator]

Show us a list of successful communist countries citygator

Still no list of great right wing policy nations. Hilarious. I've listed a ton of successful left wing countries. Hmm. It's almost as if right wing ideas dont work and result in worse outcomes. Hmmmm.

 

[citygator]

The Trump administration is moderate populism. You brag about the Democrats and what they did after WW 2. Well, that is how close they come. There are some conservative planks though. It will be a long time before Conservatism returns to D.C. If ever.

Any successful examples of a model country with right wing policies in place?

 

[0311]

Liberal democracies have dozens of successful examples. But I am interested in what nations implement the right wing dream of government that Trump's policies desire to implement. Where in the world can we look for successful implementation of right wing principles of government? Surely someone must have examples of these policies working.

Just for thought starters I pulled the rankings of key metrics of success for countries. Surprisingly they are replete with liberal democracies with high taxes, strong welfare states, and high social trust..

Please keep the flame wars to a minimum. Just looking for a discussion on where the right wing is killing it in success world wide.

Happiest Countries in the World: Switzerland, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Canada, Finland
Healthiest Countries in the World: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
Richest Countries in the World: Ireland, Norway, Switzerland, US, some small countries
Most Educated Countries in the World: Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Canada
Most Free Countries in the World: Switzerland, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland, Finland, Australia, Sweden, Iceland.
Most Opportunity Countries in the World: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

GO!

There isn't one.

 

[citygator]

Inner cities graduate a good percentage of functionally illiterate students. They are condemned as employees. So, the standards were dropped, and DEI is a word for it now. We see the costs. Our fiat currency has matured. It has stopped giving as much as it takes more and more as the price. The real inflation is seen in our infrastructure of all kinds as an example.

I appreciate your manifesto. What you said doesn't quite align with actuals though. Scores have improved dramatically nationally in schools since the 90's. Covid was hard on the worst students but the best students were unscathed and are back to where the were in 2019. We do need to address those that fell behind in covid.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reports/mathematics/2024/g4_8/supporting-files/summary-of-results.pdf

 

[22lcidw]

Any successful examples of a model country with right wing policies in place?

What are right wing policies? The way people lived at one time was baked into the cake. That was the norm. Politics came from that without questions. Today we argue how people live and it is expensive to be all inclusive. So that is considered right wing. Just one question of right-wing policies you bring up.

 

[citygator]

What are right wing policies? The way people lived at one time was baked into the cake. That was the norm. Politics came from that without questions. Today we argue how people live and it is expensive to be all inclusive. So that is considered right wing. Just one question of right-wing policies you bring up.

I outlined them in the OP:

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

 

[22lcidw]

I outlined them in the OP:

By “right-wing dream” I assume we mean:

• Low taxes / small welfare state
• Strong nationalism
• Strict immigration control
• Weak labor protections
• Strong executive power
• Minimal regulation
• Market fundamentalism
• Traditionalist social policy

You include everything to your beliefs in that. Perhaps taking each plank and then breaking down each into multiples planks and then breaking them down further will give us a true realistic answer. So, if they are generalized maybe they need to become specific. Very specific. You abhor that yet live a good life from it regardless of political views. Our nation may have peaked out with our policies ingrained for decades that you help to promote.

 

[citygator]

Your sources for free countries are Freedom House and Fraser.

What are you talking about?

One measures claim freedoms. So, for example, they consider tax funded healthcare as freedom, but that is the opposite of freedom.
Your other source only measure economic freedom, not personal or social freedom.

The Human Freedom Index measures personal and economic freedom in 165 countries. Economic freedom is covered under Social Mobility.

I remember one year when they ranked Singapore as the world's most free country. You know--Singapore--where spitting or throwing down you gum gets you fined.

Your happiest country source does not even measure happiness. They measure things like environment and make the great leap that it means happiness.
Using that logic, I could say that the country producing the most cotton candy and comedy movies is the happiest.
Another happy measure that they really emphasize is giving. IOW, people who give are happy. You should know that the USA ranks at the very top or top five in giving over the past ten years. That's according to the Chronicle of Philanthropy and their organization.

Happiness - The Gallup World Poll, which remains the principal source of data in this report, asks respondents to evaluate their current life as a whole using the image of a ladder, with the best possible life for them as a 10 and the worst possible as a 0. Each respondent provides a numerical response on this scale, referred to as the Cantril Ladder. Typically, around 1,000 responses are gathered annually for each country. Weights are used to construct population-representative national averages for each year in each country. We base our happiness ranking on a three-year average of these life evaluations since the larger sample size enables more precise estimates.

Your education source doesn't even measure degree attainment.

That isnt true. Feel free to post that detail.

Your healthy countries source claims that government intervention is equated with health.

Healthcare - WHO Data, These assessments consider key metrics such as life expectancy, healthcare infrastructure, disease control, and more.

The US is already on your rich list.


Care to see where the USA ranks in more scientific measures?

Sure. I am not saying the US sucks. I am saying we are not the best for outcomes and certainly there are no right wing examples of great countries employing MAGA/conservative principles.

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[citygator]

You include everything to your beliefs in that. Perhaps taking each plank and then breaking down each into multiples planks and then breaking them down further will give us a true realistic answer. So, if they are generalized maybe they need to become specific. Very specific. You abhor that yet live a good life from it regardless of political views. Our nation may have peaked out with our policies ingrained for decades that you help to promote.

Again. This thread asks what countries have been successful with right wing policies. This thread is bereft of answers.

 

[mac allen]

What are you talking about?

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lol. Your sources you didn't read. Read them. GO!

 

[citygator]

You don't have to tell me, but I get the distinct feeling you've never been here.

I almost moved to Framingham for a job - so Ive been house hunting there too. Ive been to Boston for business maybe a dozen or so times. REGARDLESS, you dont have to live in every state to evaluate the success of each state. That is what outcomes are for. When you measure outcomes MA is very high on the list, number 1 in many studies.

 

[mac allen]

The Human Freedom Index measures personal and economic freedom in 165 countries. Economic freedom is covered under Social Mobility.

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lol. There's more than one index. You didn't even read your own sources.

 

[citygator]

lol. There's more than one index. You didn't even read your own sources.

That is what I was telling you. There is personal and financial index. I dont think English is your first language.

 

[mac allen]

That isnt true. Feel free to post that detail.

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More lulz. It's in your own source. Again, feel free to read it