Mac1958
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Life isn't binary.
The answer is, both.
The answer is, both.
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I'm 67 now, I was a Systems Tech for a TELCO because I sacrificed to get a good job. As to what I made, it's none of your business, but I made a good middle class income by working hard.aHow old are you? What did you do for a living? What annual income?I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
So 71% of Americans are to blame?I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
Lik I said, 20% cut to payments in order to save the program.It's been common knowledge that Social Security will run out of money soon for decades. Both parties ion congress have refused to deal with the problem. The only thing that will happen in 2035 is that congress will have to pay for Social Security out of the general fund. Cutting benefits to people who have been FORCED to pay into the system for their entire working life is a non-starter.Trump is proposing cuts to social security and Medicare to pay for his tax breaks in 2018. And bush tried too.I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
Social security is going to run out of money in 2035. Expect a 20% cut. But you’ll be ok right? You’ll bend over and take it. Hell, you voted for it. But im sure you
l blame Barney frank, Pelosi, biden, gore, clinton. But you won’t blame repub
I know what you cons will do. You’ll blame both parties.
Well, blame yourself
Point is, your generation was paid well. No shit you saved. And remember getting 10% on saving accounts? Did you go to college? You didn’t have to back then. And if you did, it was inexpensive"I'm 67 now, I was a Systems Tech for a TELCO because I sacrificed to get a good job. As to what I made, it's none of your business, but I made a good middle class income by working hard.aHow old are you? What did you do for a living? What annual income?I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Only 29% of Americans are financially healthy. The rich have never been richer. It wasn’t always this way. When unions made up 35% of our workforce the middle class was booming but the Rich paid republicans to stop raiding illegal employers and start sending all those high paying jobs to Mexico and China.
Now trump wants to build a wall and bring jobs home? He’s all talk. He won’t bring the high paying jobs home. The companies who come back won’t pay taxes or as well as they did before. And republicans want to play wack a mole with illegal workers but ignore illegal employers
Piggy Noonan is an Open Borders Globalist.In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.thehill.com
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.www.wsj.com
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
They were indeed...Point is, your generation was paid well. No shit you saved. And remember getting 10% on saving accounts? Did you go to college? You didn’t have to back then. And if you did, it was inexpensive"I'm 67 now, I was a Systems Tech for a TELCO because I sacrificed to get a good job. As to what I made, it's none of your business, but I made a good middle class income by working hard.aHow old are you? What did you do for a living? What annual income?I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
You boomers are the absolute worst
I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Only 29% of Americans are financially healthy. The rich have never been richer. It wasn’t always this way. When unions made up 35% of our workforce the middle class was booming but the Rich paid republicans to stop raiding illegal employers and start sending all those high paying jobs to Mexico and China.
Now trump wants to build a wall and bring jobs home? He’s all talk. He won’t bring the high paying jobs home. The companies who come back won’t pay taxes or as well as they did before. And republicans want to play wack a mole with illegal workers but ignore illegal employers
Trump is proposing cuts to social security and Medicare to pay for his tax breaks in 2018. And bush tried too.I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
Social security is going to run out of money in 2035. Expect a 20% cut. But you’ll be ok right?
The administration's pandemic response was unprecedented in the history of the USA.3 year record of failure, the pandemic response being the worst.As a former Democrat, now stanch independent, I only vote on policies not the person. Ones record is taken into consideration when validating ones policies, promises. Trump has a three year record, Biden a carrier spent milking the cow and financially feathering the bed of his children, family members, and himself, at our expense.
I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Public universities would benefit the nation a lot.
Life isn't binary.
The answer is, both.
Hell, Bob Woodward busted trump for downplaying the virus, for lying to us, and it cost lives, and you’re still going to vote for him?I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Only 29% of Americans are financially healthy. The rich have never been richer. It wasn’t always this way. When unions made up 35% of our workforce the middle class was booming but the Rich paid republicans to stop raiding illegal employers and start sending all those high paying jobs to Mexico and China.
Now trump wants to build a wall and bring jobs home? He’s all talk. He won’t bring the high paying jobs home. The companies who come back won’t pay taxes or as well as they did before. And republicans want to play wack a mole with illegal workers but ignore illegal employers
Most Americans including you are going to need your social security and Medicare. Without them you will never be able to retire.Trump is proposing cuts to social security and Medicare to pay for his tax breaks in 2018. And bush tried too.I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
Social security is going to run out of money in 2035. Expect a 20% cut. But you’ll be ok right?
Unless the whole economy collapses yes, I will.
Know why? Because I was never taught to expect the government to take care of me.
How about the policy of lying to us about the pandemic and costing thousands of Americans to needlessly die? Should you vote for a guy who only cares about getting re elected?In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.thehill.com
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.www.wsj.com
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
Most Americans including you are going to need your social security and Medicare. Without them you will never be able to retire.Trump is proposing cuts to social security and Medicare to pay for his tax breaks in 2018. And bush tried too.I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.I vote for the one who will first most benefit me and mine, and the nation.
The Democrats have nothing to offer to either.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
Social security is going to run out of money in 2035. Expect a 20% cut. But you’ll be ok right?
Unless the whole economy collapses yes, I will.
Know why? Because I was never taught to expect the government to take care of me.
LMBAO @ this hack calling himself a "staunch" independent.As a former Democrat, now stanch independent, I only vote on policies not the person. Ones record is taken into consideration when validating ones policies, promises. Trump has a three year record, Biden a carrier spent milking the cow and financially feathering the bed of his children, family members, and himself, at our expense.
In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.thehill.com
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.www.wsj.com
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
I'll vote for President Trump and Republicans and i will never vote for Communist Democrats!