Brain357
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You have some imagination. Trump is making Obama look fiscally responsible.
Should we vote for the man or his policies?
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You must be upper middle class because republicans have the rest of amErica surviving on crumbs.
Cuts to social security and Medicare
3 in 10 have no emergency savings
21% don’t save any of their annual income
20% save 5% or less
28% save 6-10%
10% save 11-15%
Only 16% of Americans are saving more than 15%.
70% arent saving enough.
Yet the CEOs of the companies these people work for have never been richer.
America was great when 35% of our workforce were in unions. Today 10% are in unions. And in those 30 years labor has gotten screwed but ceo bonus’ have skyrocketed. The rich have waged war on the middle class because we made too much.
So they hired illegals to do jobs Americans did and sent manufacturing jobs overseas.
Trump may bring manufacturing jobs home but will the jobs pay well?
And trump wasnt trying to get us out of a recession.
Brain357
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Nope, just completely fiscally irresponsible.
dudmuck
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Billy_Kinetta
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Well, she can't vote for the one who built those cages. Only his dog.
There is very little faith in Prog policies. It will only get worse. We have a high tax state. We have work rules and benefits that are way out of line with other nations like China. We pay a lot of people with other peoples money. We have questionable diversity and quota policies that hurt our competiveness. That is a lot to overcome.Trump policy has been a failure. Look at the tax cuts. He said they would pay for themselves and deliver 4-6% gdp growth. Last year gdp growth declined to 2.3% and we had a trillion dollar deficit.In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.thehill.com
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.www.wsj.com
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
Are trade wars easy to win? So far the China trade war hurt farmers and lead to giant bailout. Steel has had all kinds of layoffs. Manufacturing also hurt. Failure.
BigDave
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I'll vote for President Trump and Republicans and i will never vote for Communist Democrats! 
The endless compassion guilt accusations have helped the lower classes to not afford many things. Because the taxes are near always put on the little guy. In front or behind the scenes are cleverly mixed in somewhere.
Brain357
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Those trump tariffs sure sound communist.I'll vote for President Trump and Republicans and i will never vote for Communist Democrats!
Brain357
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Trump policy has failed.There is very little faith in Prog policies. It will only get worse. We have a high tax state. We have work rules and benefits that are way out of line with other nations like China. We pay a lot of people with other peoples money. We have questionable diversity and quota policies that hurt our competiveness. That is a lot to overcome.Trump policy has been a failure. Look at the tax cuts. He said they would pay for themselves and deliver 4-6% gdp growth. Last year gdp growth declined to 2.3% and we had a trillion dollar deficit.In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
Are trade wars easy to win? So far the China trade war hurt farmers and lead to giant bailout. Steel has had all kinds of layoffs. Manufacturing also hurt. Failure.
Only 29% of Americans are financially healthy. The rich have never been richer. It wasn’t always this way. When unions made up 35% of our workforce the middle class was booming but the Rich paid republicans to stop raiding illegal employers and start sending all those high paying jobs to Mexico and China.
Now trump wants to build a wall and bring jobs home? He’s all talk. He won’t bring the high paying jobs home. The companies who come back won’t pay taxes or as well as they did before. And republicans want to play wack a mole with illegal workers but ignore illegal employers
AZrailwhale
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I haven't noticed any cuts to Social Security or Medicare and America was great because it had no competition from the forties to the early sixties which was the heyday of the unions, not because of the unions. As for savings, the president has nothing to do with that, saving is a part of lifestyle, people who save chose to not indulge their every whim and save money by only doing necessary things. I've never had problems saving, but I tended to drive cars until the wheels fell off rather than buy new ones every time I paid one off. I never took expensive vacations, didn't buy expensive clothes or haircuts. I was raised poor so I learned how to economize and spend my money wisely once I managed to move up into the middle class.
If only we could get him on tape admitting it like he admitted downplaying the virus.Trump policy has failed.There is very little faith in Prog policies. It will only get worse. We have a high tax state. We have work rules and benefits that are way out of line with other nations like China. We pay a lot of people with other peoples money. We have questionable diversity and quota policies that hurt our competiveness. That is a lot to overcome.Trump policy has been a failure. Look at the tax cuts. He said they would pay for themselves and deliver 4-6% gdp growth. Last year gdp growth declined to 2.3% and we had a trillion dollar deficit.In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
Are trade wars easy to win? So far the China trade war hurt farmers and lead to giant bailout. Steel has had all kinds of layoffs. Manufacturing also hurt. Failure.
Maybe we can also catch him on tape saying he grabs women’s pussies. Or the n word. Or that the wall is the least important thing. Or that he wants ukraine to make up dirt on his political rival.
Oh wait.
Ok. You choose to ignore that the rich have too big a piece of the pie and the middle class is struggling.
It’s not trumps fault but it was obamas?
aHow old are you? What did you do for a living? What annual income?
Trump is proposing cuts to social security and Medicare to pay for his tax breaks in 2018. And bush tried too.
Social security is going to run out of money in 2035. Expect a 20% cut. But you’ll be ok right? You’ll bend over and take it. Hell, you voted for it. But im sure you
l blame Barney frank, Pelosi, biden, gore, clinton. But you won’t blame repub
I know what you cons will do. You’ll blame both parties.
Well, blame yourself
His policies.In Conrad Black's opinion piece in today's The Hill, he writes about Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ which is against Trump. Fair enough, but if her reasons are as Black suggests, then I have something of a problem with that. Obviously, we all have the right to choose, but my argument is on the reasons we should use to make that call. So, this isn't another thread about who you should vote for, but why you should pick this one over that one. Black writes:
Noonan has not been militantly hostile to most of Trump’s policies. She is, after all, a Reagan Republican and no great friend, politically speaking, of most Democrats. While she never gave Trump much credit for anything, she did not dispute his economic success, renunciation of the Paris climate and Iranian nuclear agreements, renegotiation of trade deals, building the wall on the southern border, identifying China’s threat or helping to conciliate Israel and a number of Arab powers. Her objections to Trump have been almost entirely to his garish personality and awkward administrative style, punctuated by endless indiscretions, frequent changes of personnel and fierce (if often humorous) disputes with former close colleagues.
Noonan might agree with many of Trump’s policies but she is unable to abide him as a person, especially in the great office he holds. With her latest column she elaborates on the evolution of her views, moving from an attack on Trump as a person to a formidable defense of Joe Biden as a plausible president. It is not an easy sell.
'Clear and inescapable': The choice between Trump and Biden
Columnist Peggy Noonan has revealed the utter vacuity of the Biden candidacy and a fantasyland aversion to Trump.
This is Noonan's column that appeared in the WSJ:
Opinion | Advice an Old Biden Hand Might Give
Joe, no one thinks you’re a radical socialist. No one. They’re afraid you’ll bend to crazy progressives.
Trump gives us many reasons to dislike him IMHO, but what I am saying is that the decision for who to vote for should be based on policies rather than personalities. I would rather have a total asshole in the WH who does things that are in the best interests of the United States than a helluva nice guy who doesn't. Not just for us but for the generations which follow us. I see a huge difference between Trump and Biden; if you don't then so be it.
BTW, whatever Biden says are his policies, they're all subject to change once he's sworn in.......as is every GD Democrats policies.
Win elections running as a Republican, rule as a two-faced Democrat.
The man? His policies?? Whatcha talkin bout Willis???
AZrailwhale
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It's been common knowledge that Social Security will run out of money soon for decades. Both parties ion congress have refused to deal with the problem. The only thing that will happen in 2035 is that congress will have to pay for Social Security out of the general fund. Cutting benefits to people who have been FORCED to pay into the system for their entire working life is a non-starter.
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