Should we legalize pot and help free innocent people?

[Katzndogz]

Legalize drugs and stop supporting those who are on drugs. Simple. We just don't pay them to take drugs. Drug test for welfare, for medical care. If someone is too drugged out to take care of their kids, take the kids. Build a few orphanages or adopt them out to foreign countries like Russia used to do.

 

[PredFan]

I look at societies with rampant drug use and wonder why anyone would want to emulate that.

We have rampant drug use now. The only difference would be an end to the organized crime surrounding it.

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

Nope. The situation would mimic the present situation with alcohol. There might be some people skirting tax law, but the illegal trade wouldn't be the multi-bajillion dollars it is now.

How many people got killed in illegal alcohol trafficing last year vs how many that got killed in illegal drug trafficing?

 

[Pop23]

I look at societies with rampant drug use and wonder why anyone would want to emulate that.

We have rampant drug use now. The only difference would be an end to the organized crime surrounding it.

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

And no real net loss

It is common knowledge that even after this War on drugs ( otherwise known as the war on liberty) youth can procure a bag of weed much easier then a pack of cigarettes.

You call that a success?

 

[The Rabbi]

We have rampant drug use now. The only difference would be an end to the organized crime surrounding it.

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

Nope. The situation would mimic the present situation with alcohol. There might be some people skirting tax law, but the illegal trade wouldn't be the multi-bajillion dollars it is now.

How many people got killed in illegal alcohol trafficing last year vs how many that got killed in illegal drug trafficing?

Thanks for pointing up the differences between alcohol and dope. They are totally unlike in every way.
It is more akin to trafficking in cigarettes, which is a huge problem.

 

[The Rabbi]

We have rampant drug use now. The only difference would be an end to the organized crime surrounding it.

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

And no real net loss

It is common knowledge that even after this War on drugs ( otherwise known as the war on liberty) youth can procure a bag of weed much easier then a pack of cigarettes.

You call that a success?

Legalizing dope is going to change that how?

 

[PhillyGuard]

The law shouldn't be used to protect people from decisions about what they do with their own bodies. The War on Drugs is a worse than a money pit---with mandatory sentencing and hanging felony convictions on people, it ruins lives for no good reason.

 

[Katzndogz]

Legalizing pot in Washington hasn't worked out very well.

Seattle City Council proposes limits on sale, growth of newly legal recreational marijuana - NY Daily News

Although existing regulations provide basic protections against the location of incompatible uses, the increased production, processing, selling, or delivery of marijuana likely to be spurred by the new State regulations may create additional impacts,” the city said in a news release before Wednesday’s council meeting. “Experience with medical marijuana dispensaries indicates that businesses containing usable marijuana or marijuana-infused products may have greater security issues compared with the other businesses. Additionally, many residents have expressed concern that marijuana-related businesses can negatively impact neighborhood character due to messaging on signs and the potential for robberies”

Legalize drugs and there is an immediate problem with protecting the non using public from the addicts.

 

[whitehall]

Legalize any crime and the people who were convicted will be innocent. It's a ridiculous argument. At a time in society when they arresting people for smoking cigarettes the radical left wants to legalize a more dangerous product. As I said before it isn't about pot use. Any pot head can grow a bush of the stuff in his basement and smoke it until his brains run out of his ears. They want to make a buck by selling the stuff without looking over their shoulders.

 

[Pop23]

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

And no real net loss

It is common knowledge that even after this War on drugs ( otherwise known as the war on liberty) youth can procure a bag of weed much easier then a pack of cigarettes.

You call that a success?

Legalizing dope is going to change that how?

Seriously?

Making dope harder to obtain for youth is a bad thing?

You should be all about that!

 

[Pop23]

Legalize any crime and the people who were convicted will be innocent. It's a ridiculous argument. At a time in society when they arresting people for smoking cigarettes the radical left wants to legalize a more dangerous product. As I said before it isn't about pot use. Any pot head can grow a bush of the stuff in his basement and smoke it until his brains run out of his ears. They want to make a buck by selling the stuff without looking over their shoulders.

But I'm not radical left. I'm small government conservative.

 

[Pop23]

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

Nope. The situation would mimic the present situation with alcohol. There might be some people skirting tax law, but the illegal trade wouldn't be the multi-bajillion dollars it is now.

How many people got killed in illegal alcohol trafficing last year vs how many that got killed in illegal drug trafficing?

Thanks for pointing up the differences between alcohol and dope. They are totally unlike in every way.
It is more akin to trafficking in cigarettes, which is a huge problem.

Put the same tax on bread and you would create a bread trafficking problem.

Why does this country keep creating problems and the blame the consumer when they solve the problem the government creates

Ever heard of this thing called Amazon? Solve high taxation and nobody complains about it.

 

[deltex1]

Totally agree.

The massive resources we have placed into the War on Mary J have completely failed to halt the supply or demand of this natural product. Yes, it may join tobacco and alcohol on the list-of-terrible-things-we-do-to-our-body, but the benefits of legalization are too good to pass up:

-Free up law enforcement to focus on crimes that actually hurt the community
-Free up state and federal resources to focus on drugs that actually hurt the community
-Drastically reduce the incarceration rate (and cut prison budgets while you're at it) and use prison space for people that actually hurt the community
-Demonstrate our commitment to personal freedom and choice (because in all honesty, Marijuana doesn't actually hurt the community)

And hey, if you hate the stuff, just remember that when the government prohibits something, sales boom; if you want to kill it, go with the tried and tested method: tax it.

Taxing would probably just increase the black market. Onerous, back breaking fines might work. Why reward behavior that leads to sloth and inefficiency?

 

[kaz]

Wrong. It would move from enforcement of prohibition to enforcement of tax laws. No real net gain.

Nope. The situation would mimic the present situation with alcohol. There might be some people skirting tax law, but the illegal trade wouldn't be the multi-bajillion dollars it is now.

How many people got killed in illegal alcohol trafficing last year vs how many that got killed in illegal drug trafficing?

Thanks for pointing up the differences between alcohol and dope. They are totally unlike in every way.
It is more akin to trafficking in cigarettes, which is a huge problem.

His point was about taxes, a point that you raised. He didn't compare alcohol and drugs. You seriously didn't get that?

 

[The Rabbi]

And no real net loss

It is common knowledge that even after this War on drugs ( otherwise known as the war on liberty) youth can procure a bag of weed much easier then a pack of cigarettes.

You call that a success?

Legalizing dope is going to change that how?

Seriously?

Making dope harder to obtain for youth is a bad thing?

You should be all about that!

How will legalizing dope (which is already illegal) make it harder for kids to obtain? Have you actually thought about this?

 

[aaronleland]

They aren't "innocent people" they broke the law. They are guilty.

Another "small government conservative" who likes the government dictating what they can and can't do to their own bodies.

Wrong dumbass. I am for legalization. It's just wrong and stupid to call the people who are in jail now "innocent".

I apologize for any misunderstanding on the subject. My problem is with calling offenders "guilty" because the government says they are. Wrong is wrong. Right is right. The government shouldn't be able to dictate right and wrong based upon their own ideology.

 

[The Rabbi]

Nope. The situation would mimic the present situation with alcohol. There might be some people skirting tax law, but the illegal trade wouldn't be the multi-bajillion dollars it is now.

How many people got killed in illegal alcohol trafficing last year vs how many that got killed in illegal drug trafficing?

Thanks for pointing up the differences between alcohol and dope. They are totally unlike in every way.
It is more akin to trafficking in cigarettes, which is a huge problem.

His point was about taxes, a point that you raised. He didn't compare alcohol and drugs. You seriously didn't get that?

He explicitly compared alcohol to drugs. At least in regard to taxation. But the taxation issues points up how different they are.
No one is making Johnny Walker in his basement. But dope is pretty much the same and doesn't take much to produce it. So they aren't comparable at all.

 

[Pop23]

Thanks for pointing up the differences between alcohol and dope. They are totally unlike in every way.
It is more akin to trafficking in cigarettes, which is a huge problem.

His point was about taxes, a point that you raised. He didn't compare alcohol and drugs. You seriously didn't get that?

He explicitly compared alcohol to drugs. At least in regard to taxation. But the taxation issues points up how different they are.
No one is making Johnny Walker in his basement. But dope is pretty much the same and doesn't take much to produce it. So they aren't comparable at all.

Whiskey takes far less time to produce.

 

[Pop23]

Legalizing dope is going to change that how?

Seriously?

Making dope harder to obtain for youth is a bad thing?

You should be all about that!

How will legalizing dope (which is already illegal) make it harder for kids to obtain? Have you actually thought about this?

As pointed out before and obviously ignored. It is easier NOW than it is to obtain cigarettes. Legalizing and controlling it, as is done with tobacco products would make it harder

If I wasn't out of paper I'd draw you a picture!

 

[The Rabbi]

His point was about taxes, a point that you raised. He didn't compare alcohol and drugs. You seriously didn't get that?

He explicitly compared alcohol to drugs. At least in regard to taxation. But the taxation issues points up how different they are.
No one is making Johnny Walker in his basement. But dope is pretty much the same and doesn't take much to produce it. So they aren't comparable at all.

Whiskey takes far less time to produce.

Whiskey is generally aged in barrels for 4 years or more. I dont think dope takes that long.

 

[The Rabbi]

Seriously?

Making dope harder to obtain for youth is a bad thing?

You should be all about that!

How will legalizing dope (which is already illegal) make it harder for kids to obtain? Have you actually thought about this?

As pointed out before and obviously ignored. It is easier NOW than it is to obtain cigarettes. Legalizing and controlling it, as is done with tobacco products would make it harder

If I wasn't out of paper I'd draw you a picture!

So it is impossible for high school kids to get cigarettes? Or do you think that teenaged demand for dope will disappear once it is legalized, eliminating willing suppliers of it?
I want to hear this. It ought to be good.