Should Trump pardon his entire administration and his family from future "Lawfare" by democrats? (Poll)

[Zincwarrior]

Trump will pardon hus family. Everyone else will have to pay for their pardons.

 

[Papageorgio]

We all saw how the democrats went after Trump using "Lawfare" after he declared he was running for president.
So whats to stop democrats from using Lawfare against JD Vance, and/or Pete Hegseth, and/or Marco Rubio, and/or Ron Desantis, and/or anyone acting on his behalf?

"Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California told “CNN News Central” co-host Kate Bolduan on Monday that House Democrats plan to go after private citizens working with the Trump administration..."

MSN

Eric Swalwell Says Democrats Are Going to Target Private Citizens Who Have Worked with Trump​

We all also saw how the Biden autopen gave "preemptive pardons" to the Biden Family members, as well as his administration's enablers.

So let's imagine the next step. Trump writes a preemptive pardon like Biden, to cover his family, and everyone in his administration from prosecution for any actions taken between his inauguration day and his last day in office?

I saw democrats saying that they will prosecute National Guardsmen, ICE members, and anyone who their warped interpretation of lawfare says broke some law.

If it is okay by one side. It should be good by both. And those on this board on the left felt it was Biden’s right to do it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If it is okay by one side. It should be good by both. And those on this board on the left felt it was Biden’s right to do it.

I don't think there is any debate over the president's right to pardon whomever he likes.

 

[Papageorgio]

I would be surprised if he didn't.

That's where things are headed: Zero accountability.

Biden set the bar.

 

[ThisIsMe]

So?

12 jurors agreed he is a felon.

A jury that was told that they didnt have to agree on what crime was committed, they just had to say that one of 3 crimes was committed. All based on a trial that was brought about by a DA who had to tie state misdemeanors to a federal crime that allowed him to bring it as a felony. And then broke the rules of indictment by not even incliding the crimes he was being charged for IN the indictment. He tries an end run around by saying the charges were in the supporting documents. Thats not how it works.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, kinda. Still looking for your answer.

So how many members of his administration did Biden preemptively pardon?

I just gave you the answer.......are you asking for a specific numerical value?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A jury that was told that they didnt have to agree on what crime was committed, they just had to say that one of 3 crimes was committed. All based on a trial that was brought about by a DA who had to tie state misdemeanors to a federal crime that allowed him to bring it as a felony. And then broke the rules of indictment by not even incliding the crimes he was being charged for IN the indictment. He tries an end run around by saying the charges were in the supporting documents. Thats not how it works.

Sorry, your arguments all failed over a year ago.

Tough break.

And you keep forgetting to answer the question.

 

[Captain Caveman]

But you can't prosecute at the state level for Federal crimes, unless you work some shenanigans like alvin bragg.

Shenanigans is in democrat blood, plus a shit load more

 

[ThisIsMe]

False

They were felonies, as they were committed to cover up abother crime, as the letter of those laws clearly states.

Dude, you do understand that you lost this debate well over a year ago, right? I'm not giving any more attention to it.

No, i didn't lose the debate a year ago. If his actions were legitimate, then why did other NY attorneys say they didnt think he had a case, that his approach was a strange case?

There wasnt a cover up because the documents he allegedly altered were internal documents that were not intended for the public to see, hence, there was no attempt to deceive anyone. Nobody but trump would have ever known about how he recorded those entrys in his books if Bragg didnt go digging in to them. Essentially, Bragg created the crime that he then used to prosecute trump.

Remember, trump wasnt charged for paying a porn star, he was charged for recording the payments as legal expenses that NOBODY outside the trump organization would have ever known about.

Plus, bragg took 7 charges and inflated them into 34 counts by calling every time a piece of paper changed hands, or ink was put on paper as a new "count" even though there were only 7 transactions. All for a book keeping entry labeled as a legal expense which is technically legal, since it wad payment to a lawyer for doing things that a lawyer does.

Then the judge hands down this odd jury instruction which says they didnt have to agree on the charges..even though a unanimous decision is needed on a charge for a conviction.

Also, what crime did Bragg predicted his case on? The only way Bragg could have upgraded the misdemeanor falsification of records case to a felony is if it was in furtherance of another crime, but trump hadn't even been charged or convicted of a crime. So Bragg saddled his case to a campaign finance violation that trump hadn't been convicted of yet. This means that Bragg unilaterally decided that trump was guilty of a crime, without ever having gone to trial. How does that work?

Yes, we hashed this previously, but my position remains, and hasn't been "defeated".

 

[ThisIsMe]

Sorry, your arguments all failed over a year ago.

Tough break.

And you keep forgetting to answer the question.

Incorrect, my arguments stand..and I answered your question...what else are you looking for?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, i didn't lose the debate a year ago

Indeed you did. The trial is over.

Back on topic:

How many members of his own administration did Biden preemptively pardon?

Judges, we're looking for a number here.

Then onto the bonus round.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

[Discussion of idea of secret pardons below]

It's unfortunate that we have had to come to this in America, but we know that Democrats have no morals whatsoever. They will do anything to win, including bringing made up charges against their political opponents. Shoot, they tried to lock up the only person in the world potentially capable of bringing peace to the Middle East.

Fortunately for Trump, he has proven to the world he has more in common with Gandhi than Hitler.

Its possible that pardons would not be needed for Trump's family members who don't pursue political office. The Dems don't really care about laws; they only care about winning elections and maintaining power by any means, so pardons probably aren't needed for R's that aren't going to be a threat.

HERE'S A DIFFERENT AND CONTROVERSIAL IDEA...
So maybe the best approach would be to issue secret pardons. There is debate about the legality of secret pardons, but the Constitution does not prohibit them, and pardons are not always announced as soon as they are issued (Link). The strongest argument against them seems to be that if they are announced months or years later, there is difficulty proving their authenticity. It seems there would be an easy way to overcome this by preserving video evidence or similar evidence proving the pardon was legitimately issued.

This way, the family members and others would only need to show their get-out-of-jail free card if the Dems resorted to their dirty tricks. There would also be a little bit of a deterrent to Dems since they would not know for sure who was a holder of the secret pardons.

Hmmm. Sux that we have come to this.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Sorry, your arguments all failed over a year ago.

Tough break.

And you keep forgetting to answer the question.

By thr way, I know why youre wanting a numerical value, and ill give it.

The answer is, from what i can see, he pardoned 2 from his administration. Fauci and Milley.

Now, ill ask you why that matters before I continue.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Indeed you did. The trial is over.

Back on topic:

How many members of his own administration did Biden preemptively pardon?

Judges, we're looking for a number here.

Then onto the bonus round.

I gave you my answer and, you can feel it was defeated in your own mind if you like, but we both know thats not true.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

By thr way, I know why youre wanting a numerical value, and ill give it.

The answer is, from what i can see, he pardoned 2 from his administration. Fauci and Milley.

Now, ill ask you why that matters before I continue.

Only 2? Okay.

Everyone can decide for themselves if it matters. Including you.

 

[Dante]

We all saw how the democrats went after Trump using "Lawfare" after he declared he was running for president.
So whats to stop democrats from using Lawfare against JD Vance, and/or Pete Hegseth, and/or Marco Rubio, and/or Ron Desantis, and/or anyone acting on his behalf?

"Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California told “CNN News Central” co-host Kate Bolduan on Monday that House Democrats plan to go after private citizens working with the Trump administration..."

MSN

Eric Swalwell Says Democrats Are Going to Target Private Citizens Who Have Worked with Trump​

We all also saw how the Biden autopen gave "preemptive pardons" to the Biden Family members, as well as his administration's enablers.

So let's imagine the next step. Trump writes a preemptive pardon like Biden, to cover his family, and everyone in his administration from prosecution for any actions taken between his inauguration day and his last day in office?

I saw democrats saying that they will prosecute National Guardsmen, ICE members, and anyone who their warped interpretation of lawfare says broke some law.

The legal challenges to that would be incredible.

and you are letting us all know how much you fear the long arm of the law going after your criminal pals

 

[frigidweirdo]

We all saw how the democrats went after Trump using "Lawfare" after he declared he was running for president.
So whats to stop democrats from using Lawfare against JD Vance, and/or Pete Hegseth, and/or Marco Rubio, and/or Ron Desantis, and/or anyone acting on his behalf?

"Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California told “CNN News Central” co-host Kate Bolduan on Monday that House Democrats plan to go after private citizens working with the Trump administration..."

MSN

Eric Swalwell Says Democrats Are Going to Target Private Citizens Who Have Worked with Trump​

We all also saw how the Biden autopen gave "preemptive pardons" to the Biden Family members, as well as his administration's enablers.

So let's imagine the next step. Trump writes a preemptive pardon like Biden, to cover his family, and everyone in his administration from prosecution for any actions taken between his inauguration day and his last day in office?

I saw democrats saying that they will prosecute National Guardsmen, ICE members, and anyone who their warped interpretation of lawfare says broke some law.

Well, sounds like you're saying the Trump administration is full of people committing crimes.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Only 2? Okay.

Everyone can decide for themselves if it matters. Including you.

Ok, now for my rebuttal. I never made the qualification that they had to be anyone from his administration, you did.

The number of "protection" pardons was 17, but even then that doesnt matter. My point was, Biden gave pardons to many people who went after trump, members of his family and 2 in his administration, all to protect them from future investigations that might have been conducted by the trump administration.

So, im saying trump can do the same. It doesnt matter how many it was, the reason is the point..

 

[candycorn]

We all saw how the democrats went after Trump using "Lawfare" after he declared he was running for president.
So whats to stop democrats from using Lawfare against JD Vance, and/or Pete Hegseth, and/or Marco Rubio, and/or Ron Desantis, and/or anyone acting on his behalf?

"Democratic Rep. Eric Swalwell of California told “CNN News Central” co-host Kate Bolduan on Monday that House Democrats plan to go after private citizens working with the Trump administration..."

MSN

Eric Swalwell Says Democrats Are Going to Target Private Citizens Who Have Worked with Trump​

We all also saw how the Biden autopen gave "preemptive pardons" to the Biden Family members, as well as his administration's enablers.

So let's imagine the next step. Trump writes a preemptive pardon like Biden, to cover his family, and everyone in his administration from prosecution for any actions taken between his inauguration day and his last day in office?

I saw democrats saying that they will prosecute National Guardsmen, ICE members, and anyone who their warped interpretation of lawfare says broke some law.

Sure.

Most of the blob’s worst critics used to be in his administration; their having a pardon is fine with me.

#cartoonnation

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ok, now for my rebuttal. I never made the qualification that they had to be anyone from his administration, you did.

No, I never said anyone had to be anything.

I just asked how many of his administration members he pardoned.

By the way, what you did there is not a rebuttal. There was nothing to rebut. No opinions, no arguments. Not correct use of the word.