Should Trump focus on red states with high crime rates before using the military on blue states? (Poll)

[kyzr]

Democrat governors oppose federalizing the NG in their states.
Why fight democrat governors when Republican governors are happy to help, especially when crime rates are high all over?
IMHO Trump should demonstrate how well Republicans can work together to reduce crime before 'invading" uncooperative democrat states.

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker says sending military troops to Chicago would be an "invasion" by Trump administration

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker told CBS News that President Trump has "other aims" aside from fighting crime, as he vows to crack down in Chicago.

www.cbsnews.com

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker told CBS News the Trump administration has not communicated with his state on a reported plan to send military forces to Chicago, calling the idea an "invasion" and arguing President Trump has "other aims" aside from cracking down on crime.
Asked about a possible military deployment to America's third-largest city, which was recently reported by The Washington Post, Pritzker told CBS News: "It's clear that, in secret, they're planning this — well, it's an invasion with U.S. troops, if they, in fact, do that."
Mr. Trump has deployed National Guard forces and federal agents to the streets of two other major cities — Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. — in recent months, part of what the president casts as a crackdown against illegal immigration, violent crime and civil unrest.

MSN

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The Democratic governor has amplified his complaints on X, where he has drawn a comparison between California's homicide rate and those of Indiana, Florida, West Virginia, Virginia, Texas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Nevada, South Carolina, Alaska, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi. All of those states have Republican governors who have largely fallen in line with what Trump does and says.

 

[luiza]

Comical .

Concentrate on your pals before the enemy that are the wrecking ball .
NOT

How to lose a battle by the OP .

 

[Hafar1014]

Its the democrat cities in any state where all the crime is. Its blue cities not red states. There has also been a massive cover up of the crime in blue cities. Democrats care more about criminals than victims

 

[kyzr]

Its the democrat cities in any state where all the crime is. Its blue cities not red states. There has also been a massive cover up of the crime in blue cities. Democrats care more about criminals than victims

True. But democrats like Pritzker and Newsom are showing that red states have higher crime rates than some blue areas, so shouldn't Trump clean up the "low hanging fruit" first? GOP governors should all be onboard with cleaning up their blue high crime cities to fix those crime rates?

 

[Hafar1014]

True. But democrats like Pritzker and Newsom are showing that red states have higher crime rates than some blue areas, so shouldn't Trump clean up the "low hanging fruit" first? GOP governors should all be onboard with cleaning up their blue high crime cities to fix those crime rates?

Its the blue cites in any state where all the crime is. So using states is cover up and dumb one anyone can see through. Most states are Red in the first place. But if we focus in the areas of crime we see democrats one party rule cities often with black mayors and sanctuaries for illegals attracting criminals failed crime policies and more support for criminals than victims.
The foundation of crime and poverty are democrat polices support for single mothers and DAs refusing to prosecute crime, welfare that destroyed the father in the family. Democrats own this problem

 

[Godboy]

Democrat governors oppose federalizing the NG in their states.
Why fight democrat governors when Republican governors are happy to help, especially when crime rates are high all over?
IMHO Trump should demonstrate how well Republicans can work together to reduce crime before 'invading" uncooperative democrat states.

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker says sending military troops to Chicago would be an "invasion" by Trump administration

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker told CBS News that President Trump has "other aims" aside from fighting crime, as he vows to crack down in Chicago.

www.cbsnews.com

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker told CBS News the Trump administration has not communicated with his state on a reported plan to send military forces to Chicago, calling the idea an "invasion" and arguing President Trump has "other aims" aside from cracking down on crime.
Asked about a possible military deployment to America's third-largest city, which was recently reported by The Washington Post, Pritzker told CBS News: "It's clear that, in secret, they're planning this — well, it's an invasion with U.S. troops, if they, in fact, do that."
Mr. Trump has deployed National Guard forces and federal agents to the streets of two other major cities — Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. — in recent months, part of what the president casts as a crackdown against illegal immigration, violent crime and civil unrest.

MSN

www.msn.com

The Democratic governor has amplified his complaints on X, where he has drawn a comparison between California's homicide rate and those of Indiana, Florida, West Virginia, Virginia, Texas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Nevada, South Carolina, Alaska, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi. All of those states have Republican governors who have largely fallen in line with what Trump does and says.

"States"? What do states have to do with anything? Are you under the impression that the entirety of Illinois has the same levels of crime as the city of Chicago? What the **** are you talking about states for? States arent the issue. The issue is crime ridden cities.

Think before you type.

 

[meaner gene]

Should Trump focus on red states with high crime rates before using the military on blue states? (Poll)

Do you support Trump "invading" uncooperative democrat states like Illinois to reduce crime? Yes/No

The poll and the title, are diametrically opposite.

 

[kyzr]

Its the blue cites in any state where all the crime is. So using states is cover up and dumb one anyone can see through. Most states are Red in the first place. But if we focus in the areas of crime we see democrats one party rule cities often with black mayors and sanctuaries for illegals attracting criminals failed crime policies and more support for criminals than victims.
The foundation of crime and poverty are democrat polices support for single mothers and DAs refusing to prosecute crime, welfare that destroyed the father in the family. Democrats own this problem

1. When we see democrat governors using crime statistics showing red states with high crime rates, it makes sense to me for Trump to focus on those areas first because red state governors would help instead of hinder the effort.
Viewers don't "see thru" democrat propaganda, so we need to counter it.

2. Exactly, more states are red with blue high crime infested cities. So Trump should hit those first before tackling "hostile" states and cities, like Chicago or CA

3. I also agree that the "foundation of crime" in cities are democrat policies, but those are not about to change. The only blue city that we can fix is DC, if we delete Home Rule and put the city back under the president's control.

 

[kyzr]

Should Trump focus on red states with high crime rates before using the military on blue states? (Poll)
Do you support Trump "invading" uncooperative democrat states like Illinois to reduce crime? Yes/No
The poll and the title, are diametrically opposite.

The title and poll question are two sides of the same coin.
Where should Trump's focus be?
I like focusing on the "low hanging fruit" of red states with cooperative state governors, who could remove uncooperative mayors.
But, the MSM "news" is focusing on Trump "invading" blue states like Illinois, and uncooperative cities like Chicago.

You can vote in the poll on blue states, and post a reply about red states.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Rampant crime is usually blue cities not states, unfortunately red states have blue cities... Indianapolis for example

 

[kyzr]

"States"? What do states have to do with anything? Are you under the impression that the entirety of Illinois has the same levels of crime as the city of Chicago? What the **** are you talking about states for? States arent the issue. The issue is crime ridden cities. Think before you type.

1. State governors control their National Guard units.
2. State governors can remove uncooperative mayors.
3. I do know that States and cities have separate crime rates.
4. States are the major factor in cooperation or opposition to Trump trying to reduce crime in blue cities.
5. I would like Trump to focus on red states first so the governors can help instead of hinder the effort to reduce crime.

 

[kyzr]

Rampant crime is usually blue cities not states, unfortunately red states have blue cities... Indianapolis for example

Please see post #11 above

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Please see post #11 above

I'd prefer cities clean up their own mess. I doubt it'll happen

 

[meaner gene]

3. I also agree that the "foundation of crime" in cities are democrat policies, but those are not about to change. The only blue city that we can fix is DC, if we delete Home Rule and put the city back under the president's control.

The U.S. Constitution doesn't name the national capital but grants Congress the power to establish one in Article I, Section 8. The specific location was later determined by the Residence Act of 1790, a compromise allowing President Washington to select the site along the Potomac River. This allowed Congress to exercise exclusive legislative power over the district that would become the nation's capital.

It would be up to congress to repeal the home rule they legislated into law.

 

[kyzr]

The U.S. Constitution doesn't name the national capital but grants Congress the power to establish one in Article I, Section 8. The specific location was later determined by the Residence Act of 1790, a compromise allowing President Washington to select the site along the Potomac River. This allowed Congress to exercise exclusive legislative power over the district that would become the nation's capital. It would be up to congress to repeal the home rule they legislated into law.

True. But then who would be responsible for the day-to-day management of a Federalized Washington DC?

 

[meaner gene]

True. But then who would be responsible for the day-to-day management of a Federalized Washington DC?

That's decided by congress.

 

[kyzr]

That's decided by congress.

True again. I'd bet that they would tell the Executive Branch to run DC.
Not sure which department it would fall under? Probably DHS?

 

[lg325]

Feds need to authorize another Untouchables group to clean out crime and corruption

A Byte Out of History - Eliot Ness and the FBI

archives.fbi.gov

 

[meaner gene]

True again. I'd bet that they would tell the Executive Branch to run DC.
Not sure which department it would fall under? Probably DHS?

The constitution (Article 1 section 8) gives congress exclusive legislative control over the nations capitol.
That power can't be transferred, so whatever entity congress picks to run the capitol, would have to do so under laws and regulations made by congress, Separation of powers would prevent that agency from being under control of the executive.

Which is why home rule was constitutional. But putting it under executive control would not be.

 

[CowboyTed]

Its the democrat cities in any state where all the crime is. Its blue cities not red states. There has also been a massive cover up of the crime in blue cities. Democrats care more about criminals than victims

Thanks for the utter horseshit...

Cities in Red States have generally the highest crime... We get that in your head all problems in the world must be a Democrat fault...

But lets be clear, MAGA didn't send troops into Red States even though they have higher crime...

MAGA told lies about the levels of crime and the trajectory of crime lowering over the last two decades... This is not the solution, it is very expensive and unsustainable, it will not lower crime in the long term, it is optics without substance...

What they could do if they really want to help lower crime, increase funding into Police Training, pay and increase numbers... Training of the Police is shockingly poor in US compared to other first world...

Examples of police training duration by country:

• United States: Approximately 833 hours on average, with specific state requirements varying from 360 hours in Louisiana to over 900 hours in North Carolina.
  
• Ireland: The Garda College offers a two year and eight month Foundation Training Programme.
  
• Japan: 12 months for high school graduates and 6 months for college graduates.
  
• Finland: Requires 4,500 hours of training, similar to Norway and Indonesia.
  
• Norway: Three years of training, including on-the-job experience after the second year.
  
• Indonesia: Requires 4,500 hours of training.
  
• Germany: Requires 4,000 hours of training.
  
• United Kingdom: Requires 2,250 hours of training

In UK and Ireland they won't get a gun or high speed pursuit training with that.. US cops seem to be one per car a lot, in those other countries it is nearly always pairs...

This is the major difference between US cops and ROW (1st World) cops... EU citizens wouldn't have police force that don't know the rights of the citizens, understand de-escalation techniques, mental illness awareness....

So the Irish system is that they accepted and then sent to get a BA (Bachelors of Arts) in Applied Policing and Criminal Justice which takes two years in university studying:

That is just first year...

The course itself can be done by anyone including foreign students. Fees are €3.400($4,000) for Foreign Student. I say the law bits cover Irish law.

This is the type of standard is expected from public servants... There is no thin blue line crap, you are professional like everyone else and are expected to meet those professional standards... Every one in your profession has standards to keep and are expected to maintain them, failure to do so reflects on all the members in the profession.