Should the IHRA defition of antisemitism become US law?

[Augustine_]

I asked a question and you still won't answer it. OK. I'll move on. Thanks.

Damn seems you hold yourself to a pretty weak set of standards

 

[rosends]

Damn seems you hold yourself to a pretty weak set of standards

actually, I was holding you to a very low standard (the ability to answer a yes/no question) and you didn't rise to it. TFP

 

[westwall]

There are those in US government who seek to pass the Antisemitism Awareness Act (H.R. 1007, S. 558) and make it US law, what do you think of the act and why.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1007/text

The bill seeks to mandate the IHRA into law

What is antisemitism? | IHRA working definition

What is antisemitism? The IHRA working definition helps governments, educators, and institutions identify and counter antisemitism all over the world.

holocaustremembrance.com

International Hot Rod Association?

 

[Augustine_]

actually, I was holding you to a very low standard (the ability to answer a yes/no question) and you didn't rise to it. TFP

Oh wow look at you suddenly revealing your standard so easily when you couldn't earlier

 

[rosends]

Oh wow look at you suddenly revealing your standard so easily when you couldn't earlier

so you didn't read what I wrote. Got it.

 

[Augustine_]

so you didn't read what I wrote. Got it.

Your question: "so are you saying having a separate standard for one country is OK?"

What standard? What countries?

It's like asking "do you like pizza ingredient?" and then brushing you off for asking which ingredient instead of saying yes/no

 

[rosends]

Your question: "so are you saying having a separate standard for one country is OK?"

What standard? What countries?

It's like asking "do you like pizza ingredient?" and then brushing you off for asking which ingredient instead of saying yes/no

I'll try to clarify again -- are you saying that there are situations in which a different standard (ANY standard) can be used exclusively for one country and not any other? Or are you saying that some can and some can't and your answer depends on which one is being discussed?

 

[Shusha]

Your question: "so are you saying having a separate standard for one country is OK?"

What standard? What countries?

It's like asking "do you like pizza ingredient?" and then brushing you off for asking which ingredient instead of saying yes/no

Standards are not equivalent to preferences.

 

[Augustine_]

I'll try to clarify again -- are you saying that there are situations in which a different standard (ANY standard) can be used exclusively for one country and not any other? Or are you saying that some can and some can't and your answer depends on which one is being discussed?

Are there other countries razing towns and cities to the ground so that inhabitants can't return? I believe there are some revolutionary armies in Africa doing that but I don't think you can count them as a country.

 

[rosends]

Are there other countries razing towns and cities to the ground so that inhabitants can't return? I believe there are some revolutionary armies in Africa doing that but I don't think you can count them as a country.

so no answer. Understood.

 

[Augustine_]

so no answer. Understood.

I condemn African revolutionary armies for also razing towns and cities to the ground so that inhabitants can never return. There, standards affirmed

 

[MisterBeale]

distinct from that, criticism of that state must not invoke Nazi tropes.

Why? Americans can draw comparisons to every other nation on the planet to Nazis. If Jewish folks have nothing to do with Israeli government, then it is fine to call the Israeli government a pack of Nazis if a person feels they are acting in such a way.

. . . and the first amendment protects such opinions.

 

[MisterBeale]

This is an example of double standards. That is, standards applied to Israel that are not applied to other States.

We know. Zionist are renown for their double standards.

What is speech that is critical of other people needs to be outlawed when applied to Zionists.

 

[Shusha]

What is speech that is critical of other people needs to be outlawed when applied to Zionists.

I can't make sense of this sentence.

 

[rosends]

Why? Americans can draw comparisons to every other nation on the planet to Nazis. If Jewish folks have nothing to do with Israeli government, then it is fine to call the Israeli government a pack of Nazis if a person feels they are acting in such a way.

. . . and the first amendment protects such opinions.

Or it doesn't. That's why there is a dialogue.

 

[Churchill]

it is neither. It is an observation.

Why don't you want to tell us wether you'd approve of it becoming US law or not?

 

[Churchill]

So who here thinks that:

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis".

Is antisemitic? anybody?

 

[rosends]

Why don't you want to tell us wether you'd approve of it becoming US law or not?

My mistake - I thought the voting results were visible so I figured I had already openly stated my view. I voted yes. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[rosends]

So who here thinks that:

"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis".

Is antisemitic? anybody?

Sometimes yes, but sometimes no.

 

[Churchill]

My mistake - I thought the voting results were visible so I figured I had already openly stated my view. I voted yes. Sorry for any confusion.

I set it up so even I can't see who voted which way, unless a person wants to share that as yu just did.