Should the IHRA defition of antisemitism become US law?

[rosends]

If you aren't aware of how the restrictions on the first have nothing in common with this, you aren't very educated.

Such a law has already been rule unconstitutional.

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then you don't understand first amendment law. Hate speech is protected, except when it isn't. Whether you think that any example given should be excluded as protected is a matter of drawing lines in a case by case basis. And please don't tell my grad school prof that I'm not eductaed about first amendment law. He gave me an A.

 

[rosends]

Because zionists conflate any criticism of Israel with criticism of Jewish people

we do? No. No we don't. Want to tell me more about what I do?

 

[MisterBeale]

Hate speech is protected, except when it isn't.

If it is specific and targeted with the intent to advocte violence, it ain't protected. Otherwise, it is always protected.

 

[MisterBeale]

Want to tell me more about what I do?

You post a lot of nonsense on internet forums.

 

[Shusha]

If Jews are not collectively responsible for the actions of Israel, then number ten has nothing to do with Jews. Thus, it can't possibly be antisemitism to compare Israel, or hell, any nation's government policies for that matter, as any form of bigotry.

I believe you are incorrect for two reasons.

1. The Jewish people have a special relationship with the Holocaust, and thus comparison to Nazis hits differently (and, of course, it is intended to).
2. This is an example of double standards. That is, standards applied to Israel that are not applied to other States.

 

[rosends]

If Jews are not collectively responsible for the actions of Israel, then number ten has nothing to do with Jews. Thus, it can't possibly be antisemitism to compare Israel, or hell, any nation's government policies for that matter, as any form of bigotry.

Are you logic circuits that fried? Really?

Your logic is backwards. Jews are not responsible for the actions of the government of a sovereign state so to be held accoutable in that way is anti-Semitic; distinct from that, criticism of that state must not invoke Nazi tropes. ("Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. ")

If the anti-Semite targets Israel as a Jewish collective concept and therefore uses Nazi imagery against Israel, that is anti-Semitic as per number 10. Saying that Jews are not responsible for the actions of Israel does not mean that an anti-Semite can't consider Israel to be a Jewish concept and use Nazi comparisons. There is no cause and effect here.

 

[rosends]

You post a lot of nonsense on internet forums.

guilty as charged. I just want to fit in with all the other posters.

 

[rosends]

If it is specific and targeted with the intent to advocte violence, it ain't protected. Otherwise, it is always protected.

no, not really. The exclusions for hate speech are a bit broader than that. Check out true threat and harrassment. They aren't protected either. I can give you some resources if you want to learn a little more about what is and isn't protected and what is protected but exposes one to prosecution under separate laws.

 

[Augustine_]

we do? No. No we don't. Want to tell me more about what I do?

Maybe you are an exception. Usually when Israel is criticized for its crimes against humanity and interference against American interests the cries of antisemitism come flooding in.

 

[rosends]

Maybe you are an exception. Usually when Israel is criticized for its crimes against humanity and interference against American interests the cries of antisemitism come flooding in.

Maybe you are an exception but usually when Israel is criticized, it is to the exclusion of holding anyone else to that same standard.

 

[Augustine_]

Maybe you are an exception but usually when Israel is criticized, it is to the exclusion of holding anyone else to that same standard.

You could say that about anything. Conservative Germans could say that about the holocaust. Seeing towns and cities carpet bombed or demolished into dust so inhabitants can never return is not complicated to judge.

 

[rosends]

You could say that about anything. Conservative Germans could say that about the holocaust. Seeing towns and cities carpet bombed or demolished into dust so inhabitants can never return is not complicated to judge.

so are you saying having a separate standard for one country is OK?

 

[Augustine_]

so are you saying have a separate standard for one country is OK?

Are you trying to get me to approve of the incineration of cities and towns so that inhabitants can never return?

 

[rosends]

Are you trying to get me to approve of the incineration of cities and towns so that inhabitants can never return?

I was just trying to get you to answer a simple question so I could understand your position.

 

[Augustine_]

I was just trying to get you to answer a simple question so I could understand your position.

Then define the nebulous "standards" you seem so convinced about

 

[rosends]

Then define the nebulous "standards" you seem so convinced about

my answer will determine yours? I asked a question based on what you said. It isn't tough -- why not just answer it?

 

[Augustine_]

Maybe you are an exception but usually when Israel is criticized, it is to the exclusion of holding anyone else to that same standard.

What is this nebulous standard you are implying

 

[rosends]

What is this nebulous standard you are implying

any standard. I'm not listing a specific one. Should all states be held to the same standard, whatever it is?

 

[Augustine_]

any standard. I'm not listing a specific one. Should all states be held to the same standard, whatever it is?

This some weak hasbara, bro

 

[rosends]

This some weak hasbara, bro

I asked a question and you still won't answer it. OK. I'll move on. Thanks.