Zone1 should the Catholic Church have women priests as well?

[zaangalewa]

Do you believe

Yes. In god.

the Church thinks

Thinks a city? Thinks a planet? Thinks any human organisation?

those are good enough reasons to change?

I am the church. And I think women and men are the same children in the eyes of god. And I think also all of this children are different in the eyes of god. And I know I had absolutelly not any problem to get the eucharist out of the hands of Hildegard von Bingen - or out of the hands of another Hildegard. And now let us discuss about why I prefer Hildegards and not Annas and what an idiot I am to do so.

„[...] ich verstehe nicht, kann es auch nicht verstehen, wie die Demuth ohne Liebe, oder die Liebe ohne Demuth gefunden werde, oder gefunden werden könne.“
Theresa von Ávila / Teresa of Ávila
“[...] I do not understand, nor can I understand, how humility without love, or love without humility, can be found or could be found.”

 

[BreezeWood]

Praise the Lord! Praise, O servants of the Lord, praise the name of the Lord! Blessed be the name of the Lord from this time forth and forevermore! From the rising of the sun to its setting, the name of the Lord is to be praised! The Lord is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens! Who is like the Lord our God, who is seated on high, who looks far down on the heavens and the earth? He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes, with the princes of his people. He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!
Psalm 113

zanng would be better to understand monotheism as in the 1st century taught by jesus - all in the heavens are equals ... as different from the liar moses monarchism - to worship individuals ... the deities of the heavens are no different among those who reside in the heaves.

 

[zaangalewa]

You speak of "the Church" as if that means anything. Ding, this is the problem with humanity ...

Humanity is only another word for Christianity. Everything what human beings are doing is "human" - but not everything what human beings are doing is human in sense of humanity (=Christianity). Someone will get extreme problems to find out what's human if this one denies spirituality. Worst example in this context: Nearly all leading Nazis attended a humanistic high school. And the Nazi ideology based on biological materialism (=Darwinism, racism). Their humanistic education had helped them nothing at all.

 

[zaangalewa]

zanng would be better to understand monotheism as in the 1st century taught by jesus - all in the heavens are equals ...

Sorry - but this I did not say. I said I think god loves everyone more than we are able to imagine. And you are by the way astonishing hateful. Why for example do you hate Moses? What did he do to you?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Humanity is only another word for Christianity. Everything what human beings are doing is "human" - but not everything what human beings are doing is human in sense of humanity (=Christianity). Someone will get extreme problems to find out what's human if this one denies spirituality. Worst example in this context: Nearly all leading Nazis attended a humanistic high school. And the Nazi ideology based on biological materialism (=Darwinism, racism). Their humanistic education had helped them nothing at all.

Hitler was a Christian, in spite of what anyone tries to claim. The bishops and cardinals fawned over him. He, like many other delusional maniacs, thought that "God" favored Germans and not Jews. That is a familiar trope of Christians, too, where their imagined "God" favors believers and all non-believers are pieces of excrement.

This demonization of those who don't believe as you do is the biggest problem in the world today and is in our genes. You disparage secular humanists, which is just demonizing those who don't believe what you do. Look at secular countries like Switzerland and Sweden and tell me if they willy-nilly kill people. OTOH, Catholics killed and tortured many over the centuries. Go to any county jail and take a survey and see how many identify as Christian. Some of the murderers and rapists and thugs in county jails will kill another prisoner if they disparage Mother Mary.

 

[BreezeWood]

Sorry - but this I did not say. I said I think god loves everyone more than we are able to imagine. And you are by the way astonishing hateful. Why for example do you hate Moses? What did he do to you?

Nearly all leading Nazis attended a humanistic high school.

moses like you is a liar ... their false claims as commandments from the heavens.

christianity is who choose hitler as the german leader.

 

[zaangalewa]

Hitler was a Christian, in spite of what anyone tries to claim. ...

To say so is nothing else than absolutelly absurd stupid nonsense.

 

[zaangalewa]

moses like you is a liar ... their false claims as commandments from the heavens.

christianity is who choose hitler as the german leader.

What's totally wrong, anti-Semite.

By the way: Today wan "anti-racists" in Berlin and celebrate that the "Mohrenstraße" in Berlin was renamed because of their absurd protests against this name. They argued "Mohr" is a racist expresssion. The truth is: Under Hitler many German cities and towns also tried to eliminate the expression "Mohr" (specially in their old city coat of arms) - on racist reasons! Mad world!!!

In the origin from the 8th century "Mohr" meant "Inhabitant of Mauretania" (inhabitant of North-Africa) - what was also in use for Indians and other more dark-skinned people. The "Mohr" in a coat of arms - or in a street name - was a symbol for "trade and wealth". Typical are for example expressions like "Mohrenapotheke" (Pharmacy of the "Mohren", the North-Africans [and Indians]) who had been leading in medicine in the middle ages.

 

[zaangalewa]

... This demonization of those who don't believe as you do is the biggest problem in the world today and is in our genes. ...

Sure demonic racist. Without enemies who you can kill you are not able to be right, isn't it? Only who survives is right, isn't it? And Jesus died, isn't it? So he was wrong, isn't it? Perfect logic, demon and racist, isn't it?

But now you have a little problem: Jesus lives!

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sure demonic racist. Without enemies who you can kill you are not able to be right, isn't it? Only who survives is right, isn't it? And Jesus died, isn't it? So he was wrong, isn't it? Perfect logic, demon and racist, isn't it?

But now you have a little problem: Jesus lives!

Singing proves Jesus lives? O M G!!!

 

[BreezeWood]

What's totally wrong, anti-Semite.

is that the same as anti-judaism - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid, phony prophets, heavenly personifications that never occurred - et al ...

howabout - 1st century reformation, what jesus taught - jew lover.

 

[zaangalewa]

Singing proves Jesus lives? O M G!!!

Tell me why human beings are singing.

 

[zaangalewa]

is that the same as anti-judaism - false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid, phony prophets, heavenly personifications that never occurred - et al ...

I can tell you that the oldest evidence of Christians in my Germany dates back to the second century, and the oldest evidence of Jews in my Germany dates back to the third century – so German Jews and German Christians have been living together in Germany “since time immemorial.”

Now tell me why some of my family members were murdered by anti-Semitic Nazis and yet I still have an immense number of Jewish and Christian ancestors, and what that means to me personally.

howabout - 1st century reformation, what jesus taught - jew lover.

And tell me why you are an extremely impertinent anti-Semitic person from a place and culture far from Germany who speaks bullshit. Do you know for example that Mr. Varus had been in Israel at this time of history and came afterwards to Germany? I assume he was responsible in Israel for many massacres - for example also for infanticides there. He was generally unpopular among the Germanic tribes — not even among those who worked for the Romans. My pagan ancestors killed him and three Roman legions around this time of history. The backside of the Christmas story?

 

[ding]

Yes. In god.



Thinks a city? Thinks a planet? Thinks any human organisation?



I am the church. And I think women and men are the same children in the eyes of god. And I think also all of this children are different in the eyes of god. And I know I had absolutelly not any problem to get the eucharist out of the hands of Hildegard von Bingen - or out of the hands of another Hildegard. And now let us discuss about why I prefer Hildegards and not Annas and what an idiot I am to do so.

„[...] ich verstehe nicht, kann es auch nicht verstehen, wie die Demuth ohne Liebe, oder die Liebe ohne Demuth gefunden werde, oder gefunden werden könne.“
Theresa von Ávila / Teresa of Ávila
“[...] I do not understand, nor can I understand, how humility without love, or love without humility, can be found or could be found.”

Bridegrooms are male.

 

[ding]

You speak of "the Church" as if that means anything. Ding, this is the problem with humanity and it is one of the main ones, which is trust and belief in authority figures. NOT because they are right, but because you let them make decisions for you as if some invisible god came down from the sky and waved a magic wand. This is a crazy way to think. It is no different from quoting Schumer, Schiff, Reagan, Bush or any other person or group "in authority".

Get over that nonsense.

I think you are selective in your outrage over hierarchy.

 

[zaangalewa]

Bridegrooms are male.

Ever tried to think about that to be a father/mother not automatically means to be male/female? In the case of little seahorses, for example, the males become pregnant and mothers.

In German I would say now: "Ihr seid alle viel zu sehr versext." on poetic reasons because "to be versext" sounds similar to the expression "to be verhext".

„Ihr seid alle viel zu sehr verhext“ = “You are all far too bewitched.”
„Ihr seid alle viel zu sehr versext“ = “You're all way too obsessed with sex.”

And by the way, you're also a very poor thinker. Of course, a groom is male while a bride is female. But if Jesus would had been a female the church would be male. This male-female combination is a symbol for the power of spirit and life - the most creative power we know. But the church as an organisation is more than male or female. An "abbess" for example is a female father of her nuns. And when Martin Luther for example translated the Old Testament he called Eve not "woman" (Weib, Frau) but "Männin" = ~"maness" in analogy to "abbot" and "abbess". "Männin" will be translated into the English language always with "woman" - I guess this is so because "Männin" is not really translatable but anyway the word "man" is included in "woman". Perhaps you don't see your own roots?

You seem to me as if you had fallen overboard from the nave of the church and are trying to hold on to a rope that isn't there. You don't even notice that God himself is pushing you, and you simply have to let him push you back on board. Find yourselve in your relation to your father - also when a woman gives you female or male hints how to do so. Mother Mary may help you to find your real spirituality, "Joe".

 

[BreezeWood]

so German Jews and German Christians have been living together in Germany “since time immemorial.”

who are you kidding ... christians throughout europe not just german persecuted the jews and visa versa judaism apartheid and hereditary idolatry are conflicts begging for attention. uninterrupted throughout recorded history ...

your relatives and you are one in the same - ask a palestinian.

you claim both you muslim too - prove anything in all three of those bibles are heavenly ... 1st century says otherwise.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Tell me why human beings are singing.

It’s tribal.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I think you are selective in your outrage over hierarchy.

Nope . It’s just that believers elevated it to a crazy level of belief.

 

[zaangalewa]

who are you kidding ... christians throughout europe not just german persecuted the jews and visa versa judaism apartheid and hereditary idolatry are conflicts begging for attention. uninterrupted throughout recorded history ...

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your relatives and you are one in the same - ask a palestinian.

you claim both you muslim too - prove anything in all three of those bibles are heavenly ... 1st century says otherwise.

How many years are you able to listen now until you will start to correct your first ¿intentionally made? mistakes since my grandfather David got problems with his wife because she missed his kingly dignity while dancing, laughing and singing in a procession because he was happy to be able to sing, to laugh and to dance for and with God?

By the way: Best greetings to Adnan. I hope he is fine.