Zone1 should the Catholic Church have women priests as well?

should there be also Catholic woman priests?

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I think Ann Barnhardt’s argument is that the consecration of the host is akin to intercourse so gender matters.

Eh?

I don’t like how she has politicized her message and shows disrespect to others, but it’s an interesting point she is making.

Sorry - but I will never understand why you continuously attack the Catholic religion when you try to speak with me. I cannot even respond properly to this absurdity here in public, as my respect for God and his children forbids me to do so. And if you don't understand that, then I'm afraid I can't help you here either. The risk is simply too great to say something about this argument that could upset someone. I don't want that.

Let me give you the following text from another woman - she's an Austrian named Sissy Kampert. As far as I know she is not famous nevertheless I agree totally with this words. Here a translation:

Source: https://www.dioezese-linz.at/dl/lmooJLJlMkkJqx4KJK/FPH_187_21_Muttertag_Kamptner_Sissy_pdf

Sermon thoughts

Mother's Day is a good opportunity to talk once again about God's maternal qualities. God also has a Mother's Day!

God as a father—this image is familiar to us—you only need to look at the depictions of God in churches.

The bearded old man no longer corresponds to today's image of a father, where fathers change diapers and push strollers and perhaps even take paternity leave or at least a month off to be with their babies.

The male God, the fatherly God, is still very familiar to us in liturgical language, the motherly God less so, and yet motherliness is also a divine attribute. We need only look at the biblical texts where God is described as a good mother, as a caring woman. But before we do that, I would like to tell you that we have already addressed or sung about the maternal qualities of God in this service! In the Lord have mercy on us! The Hebrew word for mercy/compassion has the same root as the word for womb and uterus. The word for womb is already contained in the word for mercy, “rachamim.”

God's mercy is deeply feminine. God's mercy, compassion, is God's maternal side. We always begin the service with this maternal side, with God as mother. We know this beautiful passage from the Book of Isaiah: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you” (Isaiah 66:13).
The city of Jerusalem serves as an image for God; it embodies the attributes of God, and it says: “That you may drink and be satisfied at the breast of her comforts, that you may sip and be refreshed at the breast of her glory!” (Isaiah 66:11) We also know the image of the comforting, nursing mother as an image of God, of security in God, from Psalm 131:2: “Like a weaned child with its mother, like a weaned child is my soul within me.” Anyone who has nursed a child themselves, who has been allowed to nurse, knows what a wonderful comparison this is.

Or in the book of Isaiah 49:15 it says: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, be without compassion for the son of her womb? Even if she forgets, I will not forget you!” This shows us that humans are always limited, even mothers cannot always fulfill their motherhood, but God is always a good mother; no mother is as good as God, and no father either.

The prophet Isaiah shows us that people experienced God's love as maternal care and tenderness. God is like a loving mother and a good father to us, and God is much more than that. In the Book of Isaiah, God is described as a woman in labor: “Like a woman in labor, I will cry out, I will groan and gasp for breath” (42:14b). Through birth, something new comes into being, albeit through pain—in this context, it refers to the end of the Babylonian exile.

In Psalm 22, God is described as a midwife: “It was you who brought me out of my mother's womb, who made me trust in her breast” (10f).

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus himself compares himself to a hen gathering her chicks under her wings. In his words against the scribes and Pharisees and against Jerusalem, he says: "How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling." (Mt 23:37b) Jesus was, on the whole, a very maternal man, not a man with macho behavior, not a “patriarch” as would have been customary at the time. The way he was there for people, the way he cared for the sick and the weak, these are very maternal qualities. It is not for nothing that he compared himself to a hen.

Motherliness is not limited to biological motherhood. It is a power of the heart, a divine quality, and the beginning of us all. We see this in people who care for others, even now during the pandemic. Especially in the service of sick people, the majority are still women, including women who are not mothers themselves, but who bring all their motherliness and care for others. We can only care for others as good mothers, like a good mother, because God cares for us, is our mother, our source and origin.

What do I want to achieve with my sermon? To show that there are many references to God as a mother in the Bible. The image of God as a father also limits God. I want to break down this male image of God again and again. God is our father and mother. The feminine/maternal represents the sacred/divine just as much as the masculine/paternal. This is still difficult for us to comprehend. But one should not be played off against the other. Both are important, and there is something else: when I speak of God as mother, I also want to open up and expand our ideas and images of God. God is our father and mother, but God is much more than that.
 
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Eh?



Sorry - but I will never understand why you continuously attack the Catholic religion when you try to speak with me. I cannot even respond properly to this absurdity here in public, as my respect for God and his children forbids me to do so. And if you don't understand that, then I'm afraid I can't help you here either. The risk is simply too great to say something about this argument that could upset someone. I don't want that.

Let me give you the following text from another woman - she's an Austrian named Sissy Kampert. As fasrt as I know she is not famous neverteless I agree totally with his words. Here a translation:

Source: https://www.dioezese-linz.at/dl/lmooJLJlMkkJqx4KJK/FPH_187_21_Muttertag_Kamptner_Sissy_pdf

Translation:

Sermon thoughts

Mother's Day is a good opportunity to talk once again about God's maternal qualities.
God also has a Mother's Day! God as a father—this image is familiar to us—you only need to look at the depictions of God in
churches. The bearded old man no longer corresponds to today's image of a father, where fathers change diapers and push strollers and perhaps even take paternity leave or at least a month off to be with their babies.

The male God, the fatherly God, is still very familiar to us in liturgical language, the motherly God less so, and yet motherliness is also a divine attribute. We need only look at the biblical texts where God is described as a good mother, as a
caring woman. But before we do that, I would like to tell you that we have already addressed or sung about the maternal qualities of God in this service! In the Lord have mercy on us! The Hebrew word for mercy/compassion has the same root as the word for womb and uterus. The word for womb is already contained in the word for mercy, “rachamim.”

God's mercy is deeply feminine. God's mercy, compassion, is God's maternal side. We always begin the service with this maternal side, with God as mother. We know this beautiful passage from the Book of Isaiah: “As a mother comforts her child, so I will comfort you” (Isaiah 66:13).
The city of Jerusalem serves as an image for God; it embodies the attributes of God, and it says: “That you may drink and be satisfied at the breast of her comforts, that you may sip and be refreshed at the breast of her glory!” (Isaiah 66:11) We also know the image of the comforting, nursing mother as an image of God, of security in God, from Psalm 131:2: “Like a weaned child with its mother, like a weaned child is my soul within me.” Anyone who has nursed a child themselves, who has been allowed to nurse, knows what a wonderful comparison this is.

Or in the book of Isaiah 49:15 it says: “Can a woman forget her nursing child, be without compassion for the son of her womb? Even if she forgets, I will not forget you!” This shows us that humans are always limited, even mothers cannot always fulfill their
motherhood, but God is always a good mother; no mother is as good as God, and no father either.

The prophet Isaiah shows us that people experienced God's love as maternal care and tenderness. God is like a loving mother and a good father to us, and God is much more than that. In the Book of Isaiah, God is described as a woman in labor: “Like a woman in labor, I will cry out, I will groan and gasp for breath” (42:14b). Through birth, something new comes into being, albeit through pain—in this context, it refers to the end of the Babylonian exile.

In Psalm 22, God is described as a midwife: “It was you who brought me out of my mother's womb, who made me trust in her breast” (10f).

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus himself compares himself to a hen gathering her chicks under her wings. In his words against the scribes and Pharisees and against Jerusalem, he says: "How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling." (Mt 23:37b) Jesus was, on the whole, a very maternal man, not a man with macho behavior, not a “patriarch” as would have been customary at the time. The way he was there for people, the way he cared for the sick and the weak, these are very maternal qualities. It is not for nothing that he compared himself to a hen.

Motherliness is not limited to biological motherhood. It is a power of the heart, a divine quality, and the beginning of us all. We see this in people who care for others, even now during the pandemic. Especially in
the service of sick people, the majority are still women, including women who are not mothers themselves, but who bring all their motherliness and care for others. We can only care for others as good mothers, like a good mother, because God cares for us, is our mother, our source and origin.

What do I want to achieve with my sermon? To show that there are many references to God as a mother in the Bible. The image of God as a father also limits God. I want to break down this male image of God again and again. God is our father and mother. The feminine/maternal represents the sacred/divine just as much as the masculine/paternal. This is still difficult for us to comprehend. But one should not be played off against the other. Both are important, and there is something else: when I speak of God as mother, I also want to open up and expand our ideas and images of God. God is our father and mother, but God is much more than that.
How do you think I attacked the catholic religion exactly?
 
The consecration of the host is intercourse between man and God with man being the initiator. That’s what that link said. That was Ann Barnhardt’s opinion.

Try not to flip out.
 
The consecration of the host is intercourse between man and God with man being the initiator. That’s what that link said. That was Ann Barnhardt’s opinion.

Try not to flip out.
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You don't laugh and you know it is not funny what I said to you. I will not repeat our last (and only) neverending conversation which I had to stop because it was senseless to try to speak with you. And always again to speak in the same never ending circles (short circuits!) is more than only senseless.
 
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You don't laugh and you know it is not funny what I said to you. I will not repeat our last (and only) neverending conversation whihc I had to stop because it was senseless to try to speka with you. And always again to speak in the same never ending circles is more than only senseless.
It’s funny that you can’t acknowledge your mistakes.
 
It’s funny that you can’t acknowledge your mistakes.

What's wrong with you ding? Why do you always only understand yourselve - while nothing what you say is really from yourselve?
 
What's wrong with you ding? Why do you always only understand yourselve - while nothing what you say is really from yourselve?
All I did was post someone else’s opinion on the subject of the OP and disagree with tenor in which she conveyed it. Pray tell, what grave offense do you think I committed to trigger your tirade in post 41?
 
Matthew 4:6
2 Timothy 4:3-4
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My reply is still Matthew 4:6.
Greetings
Yes I understand
He shall give his angels charge
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concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matt 4:6 (KJV)


Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.
In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.
Psalms 91:9-12

Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him.
But if you indeed obey His voice and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
For My Angel will go before you and bring you in to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will cut them off.
You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works; but you shall utterly overthrow them and completely break down their sacred pillars.
So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you.
No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.
"I will send My fear before you, I will cause confusion among all the people to whom you come, and will make all your enemies turn their backs to you.
And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite from before you.
I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beast of the field become too numerous for you.
Ex 23:20-29 (
 
Greetings
Yes I understand
He shall give his angels charge
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concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matt 4:6 (KJV)


Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
No evil shall befall you, Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways.
In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.
Psalms 91:9-12

Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him.
But if you indeed obey His voice and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.
For My Angel will go before you and bring you in to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will cut them off.
You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works; but you shall utterly overthrow them and completely break down their sacred pillars.
So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you.
No one shall suffer miscarriage or be barren in your land; I will fulfill the number of your days.
"I will send My fear before you, I will cause confusion among all the people to whom you come, and will make all your enemies turn their backs to you.
And I will send hornets before you, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite from before you.
I will not drive them out from before you in one year, lest the land become desolate and the beast of the field become too numerous for you.
Ex 23:20-29 (
Actually I was arguing just because someone quotes scripture doesn’t necessarily mean they are using it correctly.
 
15th post
Wow, if I weren't already in the True Church Christ founded (which can be traced back to the FIRST century, not the 16th, like the ones started by Luther "Father of Protestantism, et al.), I would be VERY interested in investigating the Catholic Church, even if I was raised (brainwashed) to believe the CC was not the true Church (as so many are).

I mean you have this 2000 year old (+) Church saying extra ecclessiam nulla salus (Outside the [Catholic] Church there is no salvation) and what--- you aren't going to investigate that?

You don't even care about your soul.

It's sad when people are self-destructive.

I know that no one here has investigated the Catholic Faith because no one talks about what they may have learned, whether or not they are possibly open to that doctrine.

Do you know how awful Hell is?

Do you know how long it lasts?

No joke... I definitely appear to care about your eternal destination more than you do...
 
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All I did was post someone else’s opinion on the subject ...

You got my opinion. But I will not show you in public your anti-Catholic way to think. I have to weigh up the damage that the sharpness of my arguments in this special case could cause to uncomprehending people against the benefits that this could bring you, and in this particular case, the welfare of the Church is more important to me than the advantage you could gain if you had ever really learned to listen.

Very clear is: The message of the Holy Church is "Welcome" - unconditioned. Who seeks His way is welcome. We help - within the frame of our individual possibilities. I am very sorry that I cannot help you. But I will not expose the church to ridicule and contempt just because some people talk nonsense.



Heilig, heilig, heilig,
heilig ist der Herr!
Heilig, heilig, heilig,
heilig ist nur Er!
Er, der nie begonnen,
Er, der immer war,
ewig ist und waltet, sein wird immerdar.
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Holy, holy, holy,
holy is the Lord!
Holy, holy, holy,
holy is only He!
He who never began,
He who always was,
is eternal and reigns, will be forever.
 
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Matthew 4:6

Do you really think people who seek god can do anything with such a short key for students of theology? For example: Do you expect a carpenter knows what's written there? Has this something to do with wood? By the way: Jesus was a carpenter. He had to die in the age of 33 years.

 
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