Zone1 should the Catholic Church have women priests as well?

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An abbot has the rank of a bishop. So also an abess has the rank of a bishop. Such decisions are unbelievable old. Perhaps we lost our courage and left a right way only because such a way needs thousands of years of patience and a strenuous hike in difficult terrain?

We always defended our women. Even in the crusades we had not been criticized because we had been cruel and brutal warriors - everyone else also had been so - but we had been criticized that we gave our women too much freedom. I'm very sure for my own that the freedom and power of women is an essential way of monotheism at all - but only we Christians and Jews realized it consequently.

Lady Gyburc for example - a figure of Wolfram von Eschenbach and very famous because of her tolerance speech - spoke within the circle of the highest representatives of the political world in her time. And no one was astonished that a noble Lady criticized this leading nobels. They argued at the same level of authority.

I fear we lost a part of our very old way because of lots of absurdities of history. If you take a look at old pictures to an old song ("Minne") - then you can see for example a male noble teaching a female noble how to hunt with the falcon. This was the most noble activity at all. Only the best were able to hunt with the falcon. And the noble Lady was seen to be totally on the same level.

If you should think you are old and you think "long" then you are maybe only wrong. And please - don't start now this stupid English game to fight out who's right or wrong. Ask god what's right or wrong and for example why god accepted the authority of Mother Mary for his own education. Why did god go this way - and not another way? For me, equality before God is beyond doubt. I am sure that God loves each individual human being more than we are able to imagine.



I stand here at your manger,
O Jesus, my life;
I come, bring and give you
what you have given me.
Take it, it is my spirit and mind,
heart, soul, and courage, take it all
and let it please you.

Before I was born,
you were born to me
and made me your own,
before I knew you, chosen.
Before I was made by your hand,
you had already decided
how you wanted to be mine.

I lay in the deep night of death,
you were my sun,
the sun that brought me
light, life, joy, and delight.
O sun, which brought the precious light
of faith into me,
how beautiful are your rays.

I look at you with joy
and cannot get enough of you;
and because I can do nothing else,
I remain standing in worship.
O that my mind were an abyss
and my soul a vast sea,
that I might comprehend you.

You do not ask for the pleasures of the world
nor for the joys of the flesh;
you have come to us,
to suffer in our place,
seeking the glory of my soul
through misery and poverty;
I will not deny you that.

But one thing, I hope, you will not deny me,
my Savior:
that I may carry you forever
in, with, and upon me.
So let me be your little manger;
come, come and lay yourself with me,
you and all your joys.

I think Ann Barnhardt’s argument is that the consecration of the host is akin to intercourse so gender matters.

I don’t like how she has politicized her message and shows disrespect to others, but it’s an interesting point she is making.

 

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Worth listening to the whole thing to see an inspiring Catholic Warrior.


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Mother Angelica was a heretic. She believed people could be saved outside the Church Christ founded (and he only founded one, the Catholic Church).

Believing heresy leads people to Hell (not saying she is there, only God knows but believing false things about God and his Christ will lead people to Hell, which is only logical)

Jesus said FEW make it to Heaven.

 

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Sorry, but the truth is Mother Angelica was a heretic. She believed that people in all religions will be saved (while the true Catholic Church has always taught extra ecclessiam nulla salus [Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation].)..

If she knew she was a heretic and refused to accept the true Catholic doctrine on this (and her other heresies), well... she may be in Hell (or maybe 100 years in Purgatory, which is basically Hell that ends). God knows....

People need to find out if they are in heresy because heresy (false beliefs) can lead you to Hell - and remember Jesus said VERY few make it to Heaven. When St Bernard died, he appeared to someone and told that person that when he died something like 100,000 others died and only 3 made it, 2 by way of Purgatory.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion.


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What an absurd speech. Is this Lady sure she is a Catholic? She speaks to young people in 1993? Whatever.

My comment: Do not leave us alone - you are welcome. Always. Even if you know nothing or less than nothing about the Catholic faith. Ask - and you will get answers. Not one answer but many answers - from every Catholic another one. Sometimes perhaps from time to time also a wrong answer. But in all this answers you will find a common spirit. Try to find the spirit. Again: You are welcome.

This makes ZERO sense

 

[forkintheroad7]

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Thanks for sharing your opinion.


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It is not an opinion. I don't share opinions. I share objective truth or what I am 99% certain is objective truth.

Either you believe the first 200+ popes and their ex cathedra statements or you believe fakers who contradict those popes, and there are likely many millions who prefer the lies over those traditional popes.

In the Bible it essentially says that God abandons people who "do not receive the love of the truth"

I hope you are not one of them. She believed many things that were NOT true Catholic teachings... so you either believe her or those 200+ popes (all the ones who reigned before V2)

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It is not an opinion. I don't share opinions. I share objective truth or what I am 99% certain is objective truth.

Either you believe the first 200+ popes and their ex cathedra statements or you believe fakers who contradict those popes, and there are likely many millions who prefer the lies over those traditional popes.

In the Bible it essentially says that God abandons people who "do not receive the love of the truth"

I hope you are not one of them. She believed many things that were NOT true Catholic teachings... so you either believe her or those 200+ popes (all the ones who reigned before V2)

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You believe that.

That's why it's called "belief".




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[forkintheroad7]

And anyone who says women should be priests is NOT a true Catholic.

Jesus chose 12 MEN to be apostles. Even His own mother was not one of the 12.

 

[forkintheroad7]

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You believe that.

That's why it's called "belief".




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No, I know it. I've studied the matter.

No one else here has.

 

[forkintheroad7]

What an absurd speech. Is this Lady [Mother Angelica] sure she is a Catholic?

This is the only part of your message that makes sense.

And as my other posts indicate, NO she was not truly Catholic.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

No, I know it. I've studied the matter.

No one else here has.

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Go ahead and believe that as well.



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[forkintheroad7]

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Go ahead and believe that as well.



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You're a hater (repeating your accusation without answering me... even after I answered your comment)

You should be getting ready for the next realm but you instead go to the forums and insult anyone who disagrees with you, even though the person you disagree with has actually STUDIED the material... for years

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You're a hater (repeating your accusation even after I answered it, without answering me)

You should be getting ready for the next realm but you instead go to the forums and insult anyone who disagrees with you, even though the person you disagree with has actually STUDIED the material... for years

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Okay.





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[forkintheroad7]

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Okay.





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As Padre Pio said

There is a lot of malice in the world

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

As Padre Pio said

There is a lot of malice in the world

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Padre Pio said a lot.



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[forkintheroad7]

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Go ahead and believe that as well.



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and you are free also to reject Truth and believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

and you are free also to reject Truth and believe whatever you want to believe.

and you are free also to reject Truth and believe whatever you want to believe.

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Okay.





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[forkintheroad7]

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra: “

“... Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.– But the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in unity... Therefore let him who wishes to be saved, think thus concerning the Trinity. – This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”


From

The Great Façade, Vatican II & Catholic Church (Heretical Book)

A critique of the book The Great Façade and a commentary on the Vatican II apostasy - by Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. - Sections in this Article: - Introduction - The Great Facade - The Outrageous Teaching on [...]

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And anyone who says women should be priests is NOT a true Catholic.

Jesus chose 12 MEN to be apostles. Even His own mother was not one of the 12.

I’m not sure that is a true measure of being a Catholic.

People shouldn’t be afraid to explore all sides of an issue without being labeled as anti-Catholic.

I find being curious superior to being judgmental.

 

[forkintheroad7]

SSPX Press Agency Issues Statement Praising Mother Angelica

As our recent video proved, Mother Angelica was sadly a public heretic and apostate who promoted notorious heresy and the worst parts of the Vatican II apostasy. Among other things, she promoted the idolatrous Assisi events, [...]

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EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong (Book Review)

By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. EWTN and the Charismatic Movement - This is our primary article on EWTN. It comes from our book, The Truth about What Really Happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican [...]

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From the last listed video here:

Review of the book EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong– its positive points as well as its real purpose, its dangers, its falsehoods and its big lie​

By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. EWTN and the Charismatic Movement -

This is our primary article on EWTN. It comes from our book,

The Truth about What Really Happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II.

This article explains the main problems with EWTN. It covers heresies that are promoted by EWTN and its foundress,
Mother Angelica.


- (green bold emphasis is mine (Forkintheroad)

 

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SSPX Press Agency Issues Statement Praising Mother Angelica

As our recent video proved, Mother Angelica was sadly a public heretic and apostate who promoted notorious heresy and the worst parts of the Vatican II apostasy. Among other things, she promoted the idolatrous Assisi events, [...]

vaticancatholic.com

EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong (Book Review)

By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. EWTN and the Charismatic Movement - This is our primary article on EWTN. It comes from our book, The Truth about What Really Happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican [...]

vaticancatholic.com

From the last listed video here:

Review of the book EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong– its positive points as well as its real purpose, its dangers, its falsehoods and its big lie​

March 30, 20060 Comments

By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B. EWTN and the Charismatic Movement -

This is our primary article on EWTN. It comes from our book, The Truth about What Really Happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II.

This article explains the main problems with EWTN. It covers heresies that are promoted by EWTN and its foundress, Mother Angelica.

What do you think should be done?