CDZ Should prisoners be released from jail and prison over the Chinese virus?

[Bob Blaylock]

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio is shocked that released criminals are committing more crimes

 

[JoeB131]

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio is shocked that released criminals are committing more crimes

Wow, the website started by the Crazy Mormon who was so crazy Fox News fired him.

That's credible.

 

[2aguy]

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio is shocked that released criminals are committing more crimes

Wow, the website started by the Crazy Mormon who was so crazy Fox News fired him.

That's credible.

They cite the New York post.....that dumb dodge, where you attack a source that quotes the actual news story, that you guys always try in order to hide the truth......you know.....people can just go to the link to see what you are trying to hide....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

An acquaintance of mine, who is a deputy of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department, posted this earlier to Facebook. Just one more bit of evidence of an obvious fact—allowing criminals to run free results in more crime. It truly takes a JoeB131 level of madness and dishonesty to deny it.

 

[JoeB131]

They cite the New York post.....that dumb dodge, where you attack a source that quotes the actual news story, that you guys always try in order to hide the truth......you know.....people can just go to the link to see what you are trying to hide....

One of Murdoch's papers? Still not credible.

An acquaintance of mine, who is a deputy of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department, posted this earlier to Facebook. Just one more bit of evidence of an obvious fact—allowing criminals to run free results in more crime. It truly takes a @JoeB131 level of madness and dishonesty to deny it.

Okay, um.... so what? He's not a murderer or a rapist. He's a car thief. Sounds like he's a pretty incompetent car thief. Still not a good reason to risk infecting more people by crowding them into jail.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Just one more bit of evidence of an obvious fact—allowing criminals to run free results in more crime. It truly takes a @JoeB131 level of madness and dishonesty to deny it.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Okay, um.... so what? He's not a murderer or a rapist. He's a car thief. Sounds like he's a pretty incompetent car thief. Still not a good reason to risk infecting more people by crowding them into jail.

 

[JoeB131]

Just one more bit of evidence of an obvious fact—allowing criminals to run free results in more crime. It truly takes a @JoeB131 level of madness and dishonesty to deny it.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Okay, um.... so what? He's not a murderer or a rapist. He's a car thief. Sounds like he's a pretty incompetent car thief. Still not a good reason to risk infecting more people by crowding them into jail.

Mormon Bob, punishing people for petty crimes isn't really going to cure whatever anger you have.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Okay, um.... so what? He's not a murderer or a rapist. He's a car thief. Sounds like he's a pretty incompetent car thief. Still not a good reason to risk infecting more people by crowding them into jail.

It's a destructive, subhuman piece of shit. It was arrested for stealing a car, along with numerous other charges. Set free on zero bail, and just a few days later it's arrested again, after stealing another car, and crashing it, again, with numerous other charges.

That was a few days ago. It's probably out again, already, and if it hasn't stolen another car, or committed some other comparable crime, it surely will soon enough.

If not keeping this subhuman piece of shit locked in prison, where it belongs, then what would you suggest be done, to protect the public from it? What consequences should it face, as a result of its persistent criminal behavior?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Mormon Bob, punishing people for petty crimes isn't really going to cure whatever anger you have.

Punishing law-abiding citizens, by allowing subhuman pieces of shit to prey on them with impunity, certainly does not cure anything.

But then, I think you've made it clear enough, between the side of actual human beings, and the side of subhuman pieces of shit, which side you are on.

 

[JoeB131]

It's a destructive, subhuman piece of shit. It was arrested for stealing a car, along with numerous other charges. Set free on zero bail, and just a few days later it's arrested again, after stealing another car, and crashing it, again, with numerous other charges.

That was a few days ago. It's probably out again, already, and if it hasn't stolen another car, or committed some other comparable crime, it surely will soon enough.

If not keeping this subhuman piece of shit locked in prison, where it belongs, then what would you suggest be done, to protect the public from it? What consequences should it face, as a result of its persistent criminal behavior?

Fine him for the damages he's caused... Done. If he's stealing to support a drug habit, get him into treatment. This is how all the European countries handle these sorts of things, and big surprise, they don't have anywhere near our crime rates.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Fine him for the damages he's caused... Done.

Do you seriously believe that this piece of shit has the resources to pay for the damage that it's caused, and will continue to cause as long as it's allowed to go free?

You cannot get blood from a turnip.

 

[2aguy]

An acquaintance of mine, who is a deputy of the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department, posted this earlier to Facebook. Just one more bit of evidence of an obvious fact—allowing criminals to run free results in more crime. It truly takes a JoeB131 level of madness and dishonesty to deny it.

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Don't you get it....? The cops and jail guards are the actual criminals....the criminals and prisoners are simply innocent people who were just standing around, on the way to do brain surgery at the local orphanage when the police rolled up, killed some of them for sport, beat others for fun, and then brought the rest to the for profit prison on a bounty system....

I am surprised you don't understand this.....

 

[DGS49]

The answer requires a balancing of interests, recognizing that both choices are "bad."

If prison populations are frozen - nobody released - everyone in the institution will be exposed, in a relatively short time. Call this "Plan A." Some will have no symptoms, some will get sick, and a few will die in prison. The vast majority will be OK within 6 weeks, but some will be, shall we say, expired. That's bad.

If we release a significant number into the population, one must remember that "non-violent offenders" is often not an accurate description of a prisoner. 95% of the prison population is there due to a Plea Bargain. A Plea Bargain involves pleading guilty to a lesser crime (a "non-violent" crime?) in order not to have to stand trial for the actual crime (more often, a violent one). So there are many, many prisoners who are theoretically incarcerated for a non-violent crime, when their actual crime was a violent one.

In short, they are in prison for a good reason.

Releasing them would be more harmful than Plan A.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If prison populations are frozen - nobody released - everyone in the institution will be exposed, in a relatively short time. Call this "Plan A." Some will have no symptoms, some will get sick, and a few will die in prison. The vast majority will be OK within 6 weeks, but some will be, shall we say, expired. That's bad.

Fewer criminals to ultimately be released back into society to commit more crimes. How is that a bad thing?

In earlier days, most of them are the kind of criminals who would have served their sentences at the end of a rope. We've become too civilized for our own good.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

NO

 

[JoeB131]

Do you seriously believe that this piece of shit has the resources to pay for the damage that it's caused, and will continue to cause as long as it's allowed to go free?

Oh, so your argument now is that we should rob the taxpayers who work for a living to pay $40,000 a year to lock someone up to punish them for stealing a car that was recovered? This is your logic, Mormon Bob?

Funny thing about the Prison-Industrial Complex. We all end up paying for it, the wealthy and corporations get the value from it with the slave labor it produces..

Don't you get it....? The cops and jail guards are the actual criminals....the criminals and prisoners are simply innocent people who were just standing around, on the way to do brain surgery at the local orphanage when the police rolled up, killed some of them for sport, beat others for fun, and then brought the rest to the for profit prison on a bounty system....

Um. Yeah. You live in Chicago. John Burge torturing people. Jason Van Dyke shooting that kid 16 times. Ronald Watts framing people for drug possession. Let's not forget Superintendent Eddie Johnson flashing his badge after a DUI.

I do find it hilarious the same people like you and Mormon Bob who are supportive of anything that is done to people of color are the ones screaming about "Liberty" when you are slightly inconvienced to prevent the spread of Covid-19. (Which we wouldn't have a problem with if Trump had done his job 4 months ago.)

 

[JoeB131]

Fewer criminals to ultimately be released back into society to commit more crimes. How is that a bad thing?

In earlier days, most of them are the kind of criminals who would have served their sentences at the end of a rope. We've become too civilized for our own good.

Again, your argument would work if what we are doing is working.

The Europeans lock up very few people. Their prisons are relatively humane, and they've abolished the death penalty. They have pretty low crime rates.

We lock up 2 million people (More than Communist China), we have harsh, overcrowded prisons and we still execute a few poor people every year. We have the highest crime rates in the "civilized" world.

Why do you think that is, Mormon Bob? What are those Europeans doing right that we aren't?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Oh, so your argument now is that we should rob the taxpayers who work for a living to pay $40,000 a year to lock someone up to punish them for stealing a car that was recovered? This is your logic, Mormon Bob?

Every argument that you make gets down to diminishing the impact of crime on its victims, diminishing the responsibility of the criminal for causing harm to others, and diminishing the duty of government to protect its citizens against criminals.

The sort of policies that you advocate are now being put into practice, in many jurisdictions, with the predictable result that crime is increasingly significantly. This includes crimes of violence, committed by so-called “non-violent” offenders who've been turned loose.

I don't know that you're a criminal yourself, but it certainly is very suggestive, how solidly you are on the side of criminals, and against that of law-abiding citizens. Now why would that be?

 

[JoeB131]

Every argument that you make gets down to diminishing the impact of crime on its victims, diminishing the responsibility of the criminal for causing harm to others, and diminishing the duty of government to protect its citizens against criminals.

Yes, I really can't get worked up about property crimes. Property can be replaced.

The sort of policies that you advocate are now being put into practice, in many jurisdictions, with the predictable result that crime is increasingly significantly. This includes crimes of violence, committed by so-called “non-violent” offenders who've been turned loose.

Actually, not really. Chicago has seen a decrease in Crime after Kim Fox stopped packing them into Cook County Jail like sardines.

Report: Incarceration Rates Drop Nearly 20% Under Kim Foxx

A new report analyzes the prosecution practices and case settlements under Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx. Among the findings: The number of sentences involving prison time fell “significantly” in 2018.

news.wttw.com

I don't know that you're a criminal yourself, but it certainly is very suggestive, how solidly you are on the side of criminals, and against that of law-abiding citizens. Now why would that be?

Mod Edit -- CDZone -- personal flame deleted.. JoeB131

What we are doing now is NOT WORKING. I'll repeat it again- IT. IS. NOT. WORKING.

We have the most brutal criminal justice system in the industrialized world, and we have the highest rate of crime, because we aren't addressing the root causes - Wealth inequality, racism, addiction, etc.

The definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing and expect a different result.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Actually, not really. Chicago has seen a decrease in Crime after Kim Fox stopped packing them into Cook County Jail like sardines.

Of course, that's a deliberate and blatant misrepresentation of what the article actually reveals.

They changed their policy, so that fewer crimes result in imprisonment, and what they saw a decrease in, is fewer criminals being imprisoned for their crimes. Circular logic.

That's not a decrease in actual crime, only a decrease in criminals being held accountable for their crimes.

Just about everyone who commented in the Disqus section on that article gets it, even if you do not.