Should Joe Manchin Crossover to GOP in Response to Biden Attack on Coal Industry?

[B. Kidd]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

It will not save jobs. No one wants coal. Even China has cut down on coal purchases.

Because they are mining like a sonofabitch and polluting in violation of Paris Accords. Why Trump pulled us out of that shitty agreement. Our coal industry is clean. But Xibiden loves China.

China closed all of the coal plants in Beijing amd moved to natural gas because of the pollution it caused. No normal person wants to live like that. Coal is not clean.

Yet our air met and surpassed the standards of the Paris Accord under Trump without wasting taxpayer money on this boondoggle!
How do you explain this?

 

[Bush92]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

 

[wamose]

Biden's response to destroy his states way of living is only mildly disagreeable compared to the real radicals that are leading the party. Manchin has no choice but to leave the Dem. party or to leave congress.

 

[Dragonlady]

U.S. coal production had been strong since the 1990s (above or near 1 billion short tons per year until 2014), and reached its highest level of production in 2008 (1.17 billion short tons). But it declined precipitously in 2015 and 2016. ... In 2016, natural gas overtook coal as the top energy source for power generation.

The U.S. Coal Industry: Historical Trends and Recent Developments

The Trump Administration has taken several actions intended to help revive the U.S. coal industry. Within its first two months, the...

www.everycrsreport.com

.

Obama destroyed it.

No, natural gas did...It economically wiped it out..

It is not economically feasable to get natural gas out of the ground.Cost more to harvest it than what they can sell it for. That is coming from a neighbor in the natural gas industry.

The all-in cost of going solar is cheaper than the going-forward costs of power produced by existing coal plants. ... According to the Guardian, wind and solar energy will be produced at a low enough price that they can replace 86 percent of the U.S. coal fleet with cheaper electricity by 2025

Solar Energy Is Now Cheaper Than Coal | Vivint Solar Blog

ONLY WITH SUBSIDIES and even then the numbers are elastic!! They also depend on China staying kind..............lmao!!!

Greg

You know, there are so many substantive discussions we could be having, about the best ways of dealing with the various crises that the government faces, instead we have the Trolling Trump cult.

 

[Coyote]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Because we, in WV, need to move beyond coal. Why do guys insist on holding us tethered to a dying industry when we could be creating new jobs with a better future?

 

[Vel]

U.S. coal production had been strong since the 1990s (above or near 1 billion short tons per year until 2014), and reached its highest level of production in 2008 (1.17 billion short tons). But it declined precipitously in 2015 and 2016. ... In 2016, natural gas overtook coal as the top energy source for power generation.

The U.S. Coal Industry: Historical Trends and Recent Developments

The Trump Administration has taken several actions intended to help revive the U.S. coal industry. Within its first two months, the...

www.everycrsreport.com

.

Obama destroyed it.

No, natural gas did...It economically wiped it out..

It is not economically feasable to get natural gas out of the ground.Cost more to harvest it than what they can sell it for. That is coming from a neighbor in the natural gas industry.

The all-in cost of going solar is cheaper than the going-forward costs of power produced by existing coal plants. ... According to the Guardian, wind and solar energy will be produced at a low enough price that they can replace 86 percent of the U.S. coal fleet with cheaper electricity by 2025

Solar Energy Is Now Cheaper Than Coal | Vivint Solar Blog

ONLY WITH SUBSIDIES and even then the numbers are elastic!! They also depend on China staying kind..............lmao!!!

Greg

You know, there are so many substantive discussions we could be having, about the best ways of dealing with the various crises that the government faces, instead we have the Trolling Trump cult.

How many Canadian jobs did Beijing's bitch kill yesterday? Heard rumor that Trudeau is a little pissed about it.

 

[Vel]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

Bullshit. WV has voted for 20 Democrats and 20 Republicans beginning with Lincoln in 1864.

And what letter any office holder (or candidate) trails after their name IN NO FUCKING WAY makes them a different person.


I asked you what state you live in. Are you having issues figuring that out?

What about since 2000 dip shit?

I don't give a shit where you've lived since 2000. Where do you live NOW?

Looks like the thought of Manchin jumping ship is a little scary to you. I think he'll probably have to. HIs constituents want prosperity too and will have no problem understanding that Biden's job killing policies will result in more poverty. More than 68%of W. Virginia's voter supported Donald Trump. Unless Manchin is ready for this to be his final term he better make some contingency plans.

Manchin chose to run for Senate as a Democrat, and won that way. That's his choice. I don't live in West Virginia either, I don't give a fuck what he does. That's entirely his decision. Besides which, however much of WV supported Rump has nothing to do with political parties anyway.

One thing about jumping parties for a sitting Senator --- you lose your seniority. But the OP doesn't give a fuck, it's not his Senator either. Some of the knuckledraggers that hang out here, I don't think they have the first clue in the world what a political party even IS.

He won that way before 68% of W. Virginia's voters realized that their votes could be invalidated due to voting " irregularities " that occurred in the middle of the night in other states. What good does having a senior senator do for a state when the entire party goal is to destroy their way of life. Those "knuckledraggers" might be more aware than you think.

 

[Ben Thomson]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

The Democratic party destroyed jobs in the coal industry?..I thought cleaner cheaper natural gas did.

 

[Pogo]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

Bullshit. WV has voted for 20 Democrats and 20 Republicans beginning with Lincoln in 1864.

And what letter any office holder (or candidate) trails after their name IN NO FUCKING WAY makes them a different person.


I asked you what state you live in. Are you having issues figuring that out?

What about since 2000 dip shit?

I don't give a shit where you've lived since 2000. Where do you live NOW?

Looks like the thought of Manchin jumping ship is a little scary to you. I think he'll probably have to. HIs constituents want prosperity too and will have no problem understanding that Biden's job killing policies will result in more poverty. More than 68%of W. Virginia's voter supported Donald Trump. Unless Manchin is ready for this to be his final term he better make some contingency plans.

Manchin chose to run for Senate as a Democrat, and won that way. That's his choice. I don't live in West Virginia either, I don't give a fuck what he does. That's entirely his decision. Besides which, however much of WV supported Rump has nothing to do with political parties anyway.

One thing about jumping parties for a sitting Senator --- you lose your seniority. But the OP doesn't give a fuck, it's not his Senator either. Some of the knuckledraggers that hang out here, I don't think they have the first clue in the world what a political party even IS.

He won that way before 68% of W. Virginia's voters realized that their votes could be invalidated due to voting " irregularities " that occurred in the middle of the night in other states. What good does having a senior senator do for a state when the entire party goal is to destroy their way of life. Those "knuckledraggers" might be more aware than you think.

Pipe dreams of "invalidated votes" are of no importance to real people in West Virginia. And again for those not familiar with this country, the function of a Senator is to represent his/her constituents. That has zero to do with "political parties". Political parties are for getting elected.

 

[Dragonlady]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

The people building the wind mills, solar arrays, and roof panels where I live earn a very good living. My son-in-law is learning to install the Tesla roofing systems, and becoming an exclusive dealer. Ontario closed their last coal fired power plant in 1995, and saw an immediate reduction as asthma emergency admissions in the Golden Horseshoe.

Your problem is that when US jobs are lost to the modern economy, Americans shrug and do nothing, or blame China. Well, there goes your job and your house. Shouldn't have happened. You're screwed. Why not teach these guys how to build windmills?

In Canada, we give you retraining, and income support while you go to school. So if you lose your job through no fault of your own, the government gives you the opportunity to learn a new trade. Investing in our people. We lost 20,000 jobs when GM left Oshawa, and today, Oshawa is still a thriving city. Oakville, home of Ford Canada, is one of the wealthiest cities in the Golden Ontario.

 

[Dadoalex]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

$35 an hour? Doing what? Digging coal? For whom?

No one wants the coal. China and India are in the process of closing coal plants and opening gas/hydro/solar/nuclear plants in their place. I don't know what the "recycling aluminum" comment is about except that is is most likely your top skill level. But...

No one is paying coal miners $35 and hour. In 2020 the AVERAGE hourly wage was $19.20 with significant numbers of miner families living below the poverty level.

You don't know what you're talking about. Try getting your information from someone other than Tucker Carlson.

 

[busybee01]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

It will not save jobs. No one wants coal. Even China has cut down on coal purchases.

Because they are mining like a sonofabitch and polluting in violation of Paris Accords. Why Trump pulled us out of that shitty agreement. Our coal industry is clean. But Xibiden loves China.

China closed all of the coal plants in Beijing amd moved to natural gas because of the pollution it caused. No normal person wants to live like that. Coal is not clean.

Yet our air met and surpassed the standards of the Paris Accord under Trump without wasting taxpayer money on this boondoggle!
How do you explain this?

Because we have been moving away from coal.

 

[gtopa1]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

$35 an hour? Doing what? Digging coal? For whom?

No one wants the coal. China and India are in the process of closing coal plants and opening gas/hydro/solar/nuclear plants in their place. I don't know what the "recycling aluminum" comment is about except that is is most likely your top skill level. But...

No one is paying coal miners $35 and hour. In 2020 the AVERAGE hourly wage was $19.20 with significant numbers of miner families living below the poverty level.

You don't know what you're talking about. Try getting your information from someone other than Tucker Carlson.

You should listen to Tucker you lying pos!!!

Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020

Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.

www.carbonbrief.org

IN PICTURES: China India and Rest of Asia going UP!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

It will not save jobs. No one wants coal. Even China has cut down on coal purchases.

Because they are mining like a sonofabitch and polluting in violation of Paris Accords. Why Trump pulled us out of that shitty agreement. Our coal industry is clean. But Xibiden loves China.

China closed all of the coal plants in Beijing amd moved to natural gas because of the pollution it caused. No normal person wants to live like that. Coal is not clean.

Yet our air met and surpassed the standards of the Paris Accord under Trump without wasting taxpayer money on this boondoggle!
How do you explain this?

Because we have been moving away from coal.

Who is "we"???

Greg

 

[Dragonlady]

U.S. coal production had been strong since the 1990s (above or near 1 billion short tons per year until 2014), and reached its highest level of production in 2008 (1.17 billion short tons). But it declined precipitously in 2015 and 2016. ... In 2016, natural gas overtook coal as the top energy source for power generation.

The U.S. Coal Industry: Historical Trends and Recent Developments

The Trump Administration has taken several actions intended to help revive the U.S. coal industry. Within its first two months, the...

www.everycrsreport.com

.

Obama destroyed it.

No, natural gas did...It economically wiped it out..

It is not economically feasable to get natural gas out of the ground.Cost more to harvest it than what they can sell it for. That is coming from a neighbor in the natural gas industry.

The all-in cost of going solar is cheaper than the going-forward costs of power produced by existing coal plants. ... According to the Guardian, wind and solar energy will be produced at a low enough price that they can replace 86 percent of the U.S. coal fleet with cheaper electricity by 2025

Solar Energy Is Now Cheaper Than Coal | Vivint Solar Blog

ONLY WITH SUBSIDIES and even then the numbers are elastic!! They also depend on China staying kind..............lmao!!!

Greg

You know, there are so many substantive discussions we could be having, about the best ways of dealing with the various crises that the government faces, instead we have the Trolling Trump cult.

How many Canadian jobs did Beijing's bitch kill yesterday? Heard rumor that Trudeau is a little pissed about it.

Zero. Where did you hear that? The Qanon Won't Get Fooled Again, coffee klatch?

 

[Dragonlady]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

$35 an hour? Doing what? Digging coal? For whom?

No one wants the coal. China and India are in the process of closing coal plants and opening gas/hydro/solar/nuclear plants in their place. I don't know what the "recycling aluminum" comment is about except that is is most likely your top skill level. But...

No one is paying coal miners $35 and hour. In 2020 the AVERAGE hourly wage was $19.20 with significant numbers of miner families living below the poverty level.

You don't know what you're talking about. Try getting your information from someone other than Tucker Carlson.

You should listen to Tucker you lying pos!!!

Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020

Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.

www.carbonbrief.org

IN PICTURES: China India and Rest of Asia going UP!!!

Greg

Tucker???? Tucker Carlson???? That racist POS. Why would any decent human being listen to that lying POS? How long are you going to continue to listen to the people who destroyed your country for their own profit?

 

[Bush92]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

$35 an hour? Doing what? Digging coal? For whom?

No one wants the coal. China and India are in the process of closing coal plants and opening gas/hydro/solar/nuclear plants in their place. I don't know what the "recycling aluminum" comment is about except that is is most likely your top skill level. But...

No one is paying coal miners $35 and hour. In 2020 the AVERAGE hourly wage was $19.20 with significant numbers of miner families living below the poverty level.

You don't know what you're talking about. Try getting your information from someone other than Tucker Carlson.

You should listen to Tucker you lying pos!!!

Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020

Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.

www.carbonbrief.org

IN PICTURES: China India and Rest of Asia going UP!!!

Greg

Tucker???? Tucker Carlson???? That racist POS. Why would any decent human being listen to that lying POS? How long are you going to continue to listen to the people who destroyed your country for their own profit?

Yawn. Race card again. How is Tucker racist? You Antifa types are mentally ill.

 

[Bush92]

Why should he be a Truman Democrat in a Marxist party?

Because he is a strange bird.

West Virginia is a solid red state that was once a solid blue state until Clinton and Obama. Only reason Manchin won re-election was because the people personally loved him. But despise the new Socialist- Democratic Party. If he crossed they would still love him, and in fact put him in line with the majority of his state and save jobs for his constituents.

It will not save jobs. No one wants coal. Even China has cut down on coal purchases.

Because they are mining like a sonofabitch and polluting in violation of Paris Accords. Why Trump pulled us out of that shitty agreement. Our coal industry is clean. But Xibiden loves China.

China closed all of the coal plants in Beijing amd moved to natural gas because of the pollution it caused. No normal person wants to live like that. Coal is not clean.

Yet our air met and surpassed the standards of the Paris Accord under Trump without wasting taxpayer money on this boondoggle!
How do you explain this?

Because we have been moving away from coal.

We need more coal, more fracking, more "drill baby drill" and more jobs for Americans.

 

[Dadoalex]

What the coal sector could look like in the next administration

Tuesday's Presidential vote could bring about significant changes for the strong and proud, who for generations have lurched far below the earth's surface into the sooty pleats of the underground to extract vital sources of energy.

www.foxbusiness.com

Why should Manchin remain a Democrat when that party wants to destroy people's jobs in coal industry? He could switch the balance of power back to the Republicans and protect people's jobs from Biden's executive orders.

Coal is a dying industry. Has been for 20 years. Absent the cronyism and bribery of the coal industry it would have died off years ago.

Example: Florida, the "Sunshine State" with over 10M rooftops and the potential to produce thousands of gigawatts of solar power has made leasing solar panels illegal in order to protect the coal and oil fueled plants.

Why would Manchin sacrifice what little political capital he has on a losing battle. Why not, instead, push for WV to be the leader in new energy? More employment, less pollution.

Why are you focused on looking back at the dying rather than ahead at the future?

New energy. Lol. So people making $35 and hour can recycle aluminum for minimum wage and lose their homes and property?

$35 an hour? Doing what? Digging coal? For whom?

No one wants the coal. China and India are in the process of closing coal plants and opening gas/hydro/solar/nuclear plants in their place. I don't know what the "recycling aluminum" comment is about except that is is most likely your top skill level. But...

No one is paying coal miners $35 and hour. In 2020 the AVERAGE hourly wage was $19.20 with significant numbers of miner families living below the poverty level.

You don't know what you're talking about. Try getting your information from someone other than Tucker Carlson.

You should listen to Tucker you lying pos!!!

Mapped: The world’s coal power plants in 2020

Since 2000, the world has doubled its coal-fired power capacity to around 2,045 gigawatts (GW) after explosive growth in China and India. A further 200GW is being built and 300GW is planned.

www.carbonbrief.org

IN PICTURES: China India and Rest of Asia going UP!!!

Greg

Try since 2015 moron.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You know, there are so many substantive discussions we could be having, about the best ways of dealing with the various crises that the government faces, instead we have the Trolling Trump cult.

Yes. Damned free speech and freedom of thought!

What a nuisance!....Right?