Should Isreal take the win?

[TheGreatSatan]

From a strategic perspective, this attack made Iran look impotent.

I'm 100% positive that wasn't the outcome they were looking for.

You think they are dumb?

They could have done much worse.

The best thing Iran could do to harm their enemies is lead peace talks.

 

[Missourian]

You think they are dumb?

They could have done much worse.

The best thing Iran could do to harm their enemies is lead peace talks.

Yes. This was a terrible miscalculation.

Some Iranian military leader's head is going on the chopping block for this failure... Perhaps literally.

You are looking at one dimension. Israel.

Iran is also attempting to replace the Sauds as the dominate force in the region. You can't do that if you look impotent.

They also need the respect of thier military capabilities to deter the US and other more local threats.

Iran did not launch an attack in order for it to completely fail.

 

[HaShev]

There is some logic to this. Consider for a moment the millions just spent on air defense. Peanuts compared to a full scale conflict. Also Isreal is getting ready to raze Raffah. If Iran has gotten it out of their system...maybe let it lie?

Jo

or this is a golden opportunity Iran gave them as an excuse to take out Iran nuke facilities.
If they and the globe don't take advantage of this situation then they will be worse off kicking the can & inevitable events to come down the road.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

or this is a golden opportunity Iran gave them as an excuse to take out Iran nuke facilities.
If they and the globe don't take advantage of this situation then they will be worse off kicking the can & inevitable events to come down the road.

Israel is occupied by evil. Just like America.

Iran should lead for peace

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They got plenty to spare.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And the next one will be looking over his shoulder.

 

[Lisa558]

Well….what would America do if an enemy Islamic terrorist state launched a massive drone and ballistic attack at us, and we were able to successfully prevent them from landing?

Would we take action, or just figure….hey, the Islamic terrorists attacked us, but they didn’t hurt us, so let’s ignore it?

 

[Missourian]

or this is a golden opportunity Iran gave them as an excuse to take out Iran nuke facilities.
If they and the globe don't take advantage of this situation then they will be worse off kicking the can & inevitable events to come down the road.

I don't think so.

As Hitler learned...it's never a winning strategy to open a second front.

Israel IMO should count their lucky stars that they dodged a bullet here and conclude their Hamas extermination until all hostages are released, rescued or their remains are recovered.

If it's the third scenario... destroy every last active member of Hamas down to the janitation staff and the cooks.

 

[MisterBeale]

There is some logic to this. Consider for a moment the millions just spent on air defense. Peanuts compared to a full scale conflict. Also Isreal is getting ready to raze Raffah. If Iran has gotten it out of their system...maybe let it lie?

Jo

You make the asssumption that they are an indepdant actor. . . they aren't.

They can't do shit without the backing of the U.S.

They are already having a hard time beating a terroritst organzation (Hamas,) which they themselves created.

. . . if the U.S. were to stop giving those beggers unlimited weapons and ammunition? They would be up shit creek against Hamas.

They cannot possibly take on Iran w/o the approval of the U.S., and Biden just told Bibi. . .

Scoop: Biden told Bibi U.S. won't support an Israeli counterattack on Iran​

Updated 7 hours ago - World

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support

". . . Behind the scenes: Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.

• "You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.
• The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood.
• U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke on Saturday with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant and asked that Israel notify the U.S. ahead of any response against Iran, a senior Israeli official said.

What they're saying: Biden said in a statement after the call that the U.S. military moved aircraft and ballistic missile defense destroyers to the region over the course of the past week, which helped Israel take down nearly all of the incoming drones and missiles from Iran, Yemen, Syria and Iraq.

• "I told Prime Minister Netanyahu that Israel demonstrated a remarkable capacity to defend against and defeat even unprecedented attacks — sending a clear message to its foes that they cannot effectively threaten the security of Israel," Biden said.

What to watch: Biden said he is going to hold a call on Sunday with the G7 leaders to coordinate a united diplomatic response to Iran's attack.. . . "

This is the end of it. Bibi has failed to widen and escalate things.

 

[shockedcanadian]

No one was hurt. Israel eliminated two major generals and was able to illustrate to Iran that they can prevent any damage from over 300 projectiles.

What better outcome could they expect? It was a win/win.

Take care of Hamas. That will send another strong message to Irans proxies. They can then work on rebuilding Gaza and having a generation realize that the 16 years of Hamas was nothing but a gang of crooks keeping their society down.

 

[shimon]

or this is a golden opportunity Iran gave them as an excuse to take out Iran nuke facilities.
If they and the globe don't take advantage of this situation then they will be worse off kicking the can & inevitable events to come down the road.

Absolutely agree… This is a tactical error on the part of Iran it gives Israel and others if they choose the chance to remove this menace( the nuclear genie) once and for all…. It is not like Israel hasn’t done this before in Iraq and Syria which at the time was condemned but turned out to be a great blessing later on…. Iran has been a belligerent bully for years in the region under the Ayahtollah’s funding and fomenting chaos and anarchy and wars not just against Israel through its proxies of Hamas and Hezbullah but in Syria, Iraq,Yemen, Saudi Arabia and the gulf states and many more places how much more so if they have nuclear weapons as well which will spread to other countries who will feel compelled to have them as well to offset what Iran has..No this is the time if it isn’t taken then it will be much worse for us down the road that is for sure,….

 

[shimon]

I don't think so.

As Hitler learned...it's never a winning strategy to open a second front.

Israel IMO should count their lucky stars that they dodged a bullet here and conclude their Hamas extermination until all hostages are released, rescued or their remains are recovered.

If it's the third scenario... destroy every last active member of Hamas down to the janitation staff and the cooks.

Israel is fighting on many fronts Hezbullah in the north, Syria to the east… Weapons are flowing in from the Jordanian border from Iran to the West Bank .. Houthis from Yemen have been firing rockets at Israel for months and of course Hamas in Gaza… Iran just opened a new front from their base which makes it fair play and since it is supplying all these groups open season if Israel chooses… So it is not a two front war but a five or six front war … Israel has always been at its best when it goes on offence so we shall see if they will do what they do best…

 

[shimon]

No one was hurt. Israel eliminated two major generals and was able to illustrate to Iran that they can prevent any damage from over 300 projectiles.

What better outcome could they expect? It was a win/win.

Take care of Hamas. That will send another strong message to Irans proxies. They can then work on rebuilding Gaza and having a generation realize that the 16 years of Hamas was nothing but a gang of crooks keeping their society down.

What about the 7 year old Muslim girl does she count…Arms are constantly flowing from Iran to their proxies whether they be Hamas Hezbullah the shites in Syria and the Houthis in Yemen.. Taking out proxies is a start but taking out the head of the snake in Iran would end things quickly esp if they were not able to send more weapons and money over to them….Think about it you have symptoms of a disease and you are taking medicine to control the symptoms instead of digging deeper and finding out where the source of the symptoms are coming from and curing it thus stopping the symptoms then all you are doing is keeping it going while pretending everything is all right… It is far better to find the issue and cure Said issue then the symptoms will go away on their ownand you will no longer need to take the medicine to control them…Years of wasted effort but the pharmaceutical ( weapons manufacturers) continue to profit and get rich…

 

[shockedcanadian]

What about the 7 year old Muslim girl does she count…Arms are constantly flowing from Iran to their proxies whether they be Hamas Hezbullah the shites in Syria and the Houthis in Yemen.. Taking out proxies is a start but taking out the head of the snake in Iran would end things quickly esp if they were not able to send more weapons and money over to them….Think about it you have symptoms of a disease and you are taking medicine to control the symptoms instead of digging deeper and finding out where the source of the symptoms are coming from and curing it thus stopping the symptoms then all you are doing is keeping it going while pretending everything is all right… It is far better to find the issue and cure Said issue then the symptoms will go away on their ownand you will no longer need to take the medicine to control them…Years of wasted effort but the pharmaceutical ( weapons manufacturers) continue to profit and get rich…

Yes, but you could apply that to ANY leader on earth. The premise of regime change and/or assassination isn't a game nations want to play today.

Now if the Iranian people rise up in rage if they view their government as oppressive...that would be quite different

 

[shimon]

You make the asssumption that they are an indepdant actor. . . they aren't.

They can't do shit without the backing of the U.S.

They are already having a hard time beating a terroritst organzation (Hamas,) which they themselves created.

. . . if the U.S. were to stop giving those beggers unlimited weapons and ammunition? They would be up shit creek against Hamas.

They cannot possibly take on Iran w/o the approval of the U.S., and Biden just told Bibi. . .

Scoop: Biden told Bibi U.S. won't support an Israeli counterattack on Iran​

Updated 7 hours ago - World

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support

". . . Behind the scenes: Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.

• "You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.
• The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood.
• U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke on Saturday with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant and asked that Israel notify the U.S. ahead of any response against Iran, a senior Israeli official said.

What they're saying: Biden said in a statement after the call that the U.S. military moved aircraft and ballistic missile defense destroyers to the region over the course of the past week, which helped Israel take down nearly all of the incoming drones and missiles from Iran, Yemen, Syria and Iraq.

• "I told Prime Minister Netanyahu that Israel demonstrated a remarkable capacity to defend against and defeat even unprecedented attacks — sending a clear message to its foes that they cannot effectively threaten the security of Israel," Biden said.

What to watch: Biden said he is going to hold a call on Sunday with the G7 leaders to coordinate a united diplomatic response to Iran's attack.. . . "

This is the end of it. Bibi has failed to widen and escalate things.

First off Israel could finish Hamas in five minutes if they came out to play instead of hiding in tunnels and behind woman and children… Secondly this is not a win.. Biden is delusional if he thinks so… If any country sent offensive weapons against the United States like Iran did to Israel the United States would obliterate them everyone knows this.. Why is Israel always forced to back down … The difference is coming though as it is taught that Israel in the messianic age will no longer be controlled by foreign powers who dictate what she can and cannot do.. It was Biden who years ago tried to Bully Menachim Began who was the leader of Usrael at the time… Biden threatened him and Began told him the way it was and he would not cower … It is time for the leaders in Israel to do the same to Joe Biden who has not changed his stance in all those years… If one forgets history then it is repeated… Israel is a sovereign nation and should do what it needs to do to not only survive but to thrive…

 

[shimon]

Yes, but you could apply that to ANY leader on earth. The premise of regime change and/or assassination isn't a game nations want to play today.

Now if the Iranian people rise up in rage if they view their government as oppressive...that would be quite different

Is that why you are still stuck with Trudeau and the liberal party you have mentioned in the past…The Iranian people have risen before but the United States and others didn’t back them and the outbreaks were brutally suppressed… The ayahtollahs aren’t even Iranian or at least the few up on top are not…The Israelis at one point could have taken out Arafat at one point think how that might have changed things.. No just keep kicking the can down the road or keep trying the same thing over and over expecting different results and see where that gets you… The world is insane after all that is the explanation of insanity… It is time to try something different…

 

[shockedcanadian]

Is that why you are still stuck with Trudeau and the liberal party you have mentioned in the past…The Iranian people have risen before but the United States and others didn’t back them and the outbreaks were brutally suppressed… The ayahtollahs aren’t even Iranian or at least the few up on top are not…The Israelis at one point could have taken out Arafat at one point think how that might have changed things.. No just keep kicking the can down the road or keep trying the same thing over and over expecting different results and see where that gets you… The world is insane after all that is the explanation of insanity… It is time to try something different…

lol. We elect our leaders. It is even easier than in the U.S, far easier in fact, to remove a leader here. I don't like it really, but it's called "a vote of No Confidence" and it can be employed by the opposition Parties. It's that simple. Which to me violates citizens vote really and it shouldn't be accepted in such a simple manner.

 

[shimon]

lol. We elect our leaders. It is even easier than in the U.S, far easier in fact, to remove a leader here. I don't like it really, but it's called "a vote of No Confidence" and it can be employed by the opposition Parties. It's that simple. Which to me violates citizens vote really and it shouldn't be accepted in such a simple manner.

How was Trudeau elected when he got less then 40 per cent of the vote and is only holding power because the NDP made an agreement to help keep him in power… Didnt the majority vote against him..Hasn’t he had numerous scandals that normally would have fomented a vote of non confidence but because of the NDP he has been able to hold onto power for the last number of years unscathed…

 

[shockedcanadian]

How was Trudeau elected when he got less then 40 per cent of the vote and is only holding power because the NDP made an agreement to help keep him in power… Didnt the majority vote against him..Hasn’t he had numerous scandals that normally would have fomented a vote of non confidence but because of the NDP he has been able to hold onto power for the last number of years unscathed…

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 Million votes. This is how it shakes out some times.

 

[MisterBeale]

First off Israel could finish Hamas in five minutes if they came out to play instead of hiding in tunnels and behind woman and children… Secondly this is not a win.. Biden is delusional if he thinks so… If any country sent offensive weapons against the United States like Iran did to Israel the United States would obliterate them everyone knows this.. Why is Israel always forced to back down … The difference is coming though as it is taught that Israel in the messianic age will no longer be controlled by foreign powers who dictate what she can and cannot do.. It was Biden who years ago tried to Bully Menachim Began who was the leader of Usrael at the time… Biden threatened him and Began told him the way it was and he would not cower … It is time for the leaders in Israel to do the same to Joe Biden who has not changed his stance in all those years… If one forgets history then it is repeated… Israel is a sovereign nation and should do what it needs to do to not only survive but to thrive…

 

[HaShev]

Absolutely agree… This is a tactical error on the part of Iran it gives Israel and others if they choose the chance to remove this menace( the nuclear genie) once and for all…. It is not like Israel hasn’t done this before in Iraq and Syria which at the time was condemned but turned out to be a great blessing later on…. Iran has been a belligerent bully for years in the region under the Ayahtollah’s funding and fomenting chaos and anarchy and wars not just against Israel through its proxies of Hamas and Hezbullah but in Syria, Iraq,Yemen, Saudi Arabia and the gulf states and many more places how much more so if they have nuclear weapons as well which will spread to other countries who will feel compelled to have them as well to offset what Iran has..No this is the time if it isn’t taken then it will be much worse for us down the road that is for sure,….

But just as the Dems don't understand cause and affect, neither does Iran Regime and Mullahs, because their acts have brought moderate Arab nations closer to Israel and further from their globalist ambitions.
Wouldn't be surprised if Iran's ambitions to destroy civilized civilization ends up saving the world instead through cause and affect -Bohm and Kohn's theorems
equal opposite reactions.
Example: would we have developed these amazing shield systems that act as deterrence, which we can assume saves the world from what would be or would have been a much deeper Russia- China threat?