Should Iran Be Allowed To Have Nuclear Weapons?

[Churchill]

Wow. You sure flipped the switch. What did I say to suddenly cause this reaction?

We were discussing nuclear weapons, you accused me of having no morals, unabe to distinguish good and evil. I'd already asked you to define the terms, you refused. You compared "Iranian leaders" of being backward savages and insinuated suicide bombing was immoral whereas Western bombing of schools, hospitals, civilains etc is moral.

I sought clarification but none was forthcoming. You referred to law, right, wrong, etc then asserted that adhering to international law was irrelevant and whatever the US chooses to do militarily is - by defintion - right even if it violated the law.

That is a characteristic of fascism, your entire position is that whatever the US does is "right" and who ever opposes that is "wrong".

Accusing a person of being immoral, arguing that some nations are good and some are evil, yet repeatedly shying away from defining those terms is also intellectual cowardice and frankly, boring.

 

[BS Filter]

We were discussing nuclear weapons, you accused me of having no morals, unabe to distinguish good and evil. I'd already asked you to define the terms, you refused. You compared "Iranian leaders" of being backward savages and insinuated suicide bombing was immoral whereas Western bombing of schools, hospitals, civilains etc is moral.

I sought clarification but none was forthcoming. You referred to law, right, wrong, etc then asserted that adhering to international law was irrelevant and whatever the US chooses to do militarily is - by defintion - right even if it violated the law.

That is a characteristic of fascism, your entire position is that whatever the US does is "right" and who ever opposes that is "wrong".

No, that is not my position that whatever the US does is right. My position is that in this war with Iran, the US and Israel are right and the Iranian government is pure evil and must be eliminated. Hope that helps clarify my position.

 

[toobfreak]

As long as there are no US troops in the ground, and the Navy blockade is working, I believe the "people" will let the war play out, especially if we get Iran's enriched uranium. A very big win.

Maybe, but is the blockade really working? We are blocking Iran ships but now they are firing at and blocking the rest. This could drag on all summer. And about getting that uranium, it hasn't happened yet and it will require months of digging and with the cooperation of the Iranians.

Is an ongoing naval blockade a "war"? I don't think so.
If the ceasefire holds its a matter of who can withstand the other's blockade longer?

Well, Iran just fired on a tanker, so, it doesn't look like the ceasefire will work, especially when Iran wants 100% of everything their way and regards any slight thing as having immediately violated the agreement.

Just because the 90-days are up doesn't mean the US leaves or quits, it just means no more money for the war, which we don't need for a naval blockade.

Hmmm. I fear that Iran is using our vacillation both to buy time to get resupplies from China as well as develop alternate methods of exporting that bypasses our sea routes. I get the feeling Iran has thought about and planned for this for many years developing alternate strategies for every possible contingency.

 

[Churchill]

No, that is not my position that whatever the US does is right. My position is that in this war with Iran, the US and Israel are right and the Iranian government is pure evil and must be eliminated. Hope that helps clarify my position.

I'm 69.

Did you say clarified? how can it when you don't even know what "right" and "wrong" mean?

The IDF are latter day Nazis, so let's call them "evil" for the sake of argument, these Jews believe that, what "argument" would you present to these Jews? are they evil in your world?

How come you know better than them what counts as a Nazi?

You're the antisemite here, I (like these Jews) oppose Jewish nationalism, Zionism, I admire these Jews, I admire anyone who opposes what they oppose and that therefore includes Palestinians and Iranians and Lebanese.

You are the odd one out here, not I, I'm in good company, the company of Jews who oppose the Zionist, neo-Nazi regime.



Look: Nazis, everyone who isn't blind can see this, only Christ can heal your blindness, you've somehow normalized insanity, God help you.

 

[kyzr]

Maybe, but is the blockade really working? We are blocking Iran ships but now they are firing at and blocking the rest. This could drag on all summer. And about getting that uranium, it hasn't happened yet and it will require months of digging and with the cooperation of the Iranians.

The US naval blockade is working, Iran is selling no oil.
If other countries want to use force to open Hormuz let them step up, or deal with the closure.
Yes getting the enriched uranium would take months and cooperation and probably a regime change.

Well, Iran just fired on a tanker, so, it doesn't look like the ceasefire will work, especially when Iran wants 100% of everything their way and regards any slight thing as having immediately violated the agreement.

Trump just said if there is no ceasefire or capitulation he will destroy all their bridges and powerplants.

Hmmm. I fear that Iran is using our vacillation both to buy time to get resupplies from China as well as develop alternate methods of exporting that bypasses our sea routes. I get the feeling Iran has thought about and planned for this for many years developing alternate strategies for every possible contingency.

Iran is twice the size of TX, you can't run a pipeline anywhere from Kharg Island, we have Iran by the balls and Trump is about to start squeezing...
Whatever "contingency" Iran planned for the US military can counter, Iran is out of everything but stupidity.
Trump told China and Russia not to help Iran or the sanctions ratchet up.
Its "Game Over", their crazies need to "drink from the poison chalice" again.

 

[BS Filter]

I'm 69.

Did you say clarified? how can it when you don't even know what "right" and "wrong" mean?

The IDF are latter day Nazis, so let's call them "evil" for the sake of argument, these Jews believe that, what "argument" would you present to these Jews? are they evil in your world?

How come you know better than them what counts as a Nazi?

You're the antisemite here, I (like these Jews) oppose Jewish nationalism, Zionism, I admire these Jews, I admire anyone who opposes what they oppose and that therefore includes Palestinians and Iranians and Lebanese.

You are the odd one out here, not I, I'm in good company, the company of Jews who oppose the Zionist, neo-Nazi regime.



Look: Nazis, everyone who isn't blind can see this, only Christ can heal your blindness, you've somehow normalized insanity, God help you.

Jesus is a Jew and Jesus is The Word of God. That's what your Scripture says. If you know your Bible, then you know that Jesus will come again and He will come back to Israel. If you don't know that, the you're just another confused person who doesn't understand the Scriptures and doesn't know who Jesus is. He will return to an already established nation of Israel and Mt. Zion. You're believing a false doctrine. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit can open your eyes. You and many are deceived, which Jesus predicted.

 

[JoeB131]

We know that they admitted having 460n kg of 60% enriched uranium buried under mountains by Midnight Hammer.
If we're there as they excavate we should recover as much as possible.
As it stands now, they are digging it out with us not there.

Works on the assumption Iran will fold, when they don't need to.

Sanctions are one thing, China and India bought their oil, now the US blockade has them shut down, Big difference.

Meh, not really. China and India won't stand for this shit for long.

The ceasefire is up this week. We will soon see if its lights out.

Trump Always Chickens Out.

Yep. They all like the ineffective but "feel-good" JCPOA via diplomacy.
Not sure what "Zionists" have to do with the war? Except ensuring that the intent of the JCPOA is actually enforced.

If you are so piss-ignorant that you can't see the Zionists greasy little paws all over this war, there's not much point talking to you.

 

[BS Filter]

Works on the assumption Iran will fold, when they don't need to.

Meh, not really. China and India won't stand for this shit for long.

Trump Always Chickens Out.


If you are so piss-ignorant that you can't see the Zionists greasy little paws all over this war, there's not much point talking to you.

Hatred of Israel isn't a winning hand.

 

[JoeB131]

Hatred of Israel isn't a winning hand.

Sure it is.

Most of the world hates Israel.

 

[BS Filter]

Sure it is.

Most of the world hates Israel.

I understand that. Most of the world is going to hell. Good luck.

 

[toobfreak]

The US naval blockade is working, Iran is selling no oil.

It has to have cut off at least 90% of their income!

If other countries want to use force to open Hormuz let them step up, or deal with the closure.

Starmer just called, Britain is sending in the Limies.

Trump just said if there is no ceasefire or capitulation he will destroy all their bridges and powerplants.

That's been kind of my point: we were right at the door mere hours from execution weeks ago and Iran backed out of the deal. So we should have dropped the hammer then. All these delays and continued tit for tat negotiations and squabbling over the Strait are pointless to me, a waste of time, a futile attempt, UNLESS: US Forces are amassing for a serious ground attack. Let's not be afraid to say it out-loud: you can't win a war without fighting one. And in war, people die, but just how far are we willing to allow Iran to continue to hold this pressure and threat over our heads until finally SOMEONE acts, says they have had enough? Like a Bandaid, the hardest part is often yanking it off.

These IRGC are not going to just go away no matter how economically beaten, these are not reasonable people, they will fight you back to the Stone Age if they must, and they need to see the whites of their opponent's eyes before we have any possibility of real solution.

 

[kyzr]

Works on the assumption Iran will fold, when they don't need to.

Seriously? When they have no power, no bridges, no oil?
They won't be going to Pakistan, so looks like they will just go dark.

Meh, not really. China and India won't stand for this shit for long.

So will they help us open Hormuz?

Trump Always Chickens Out.

Destroying powerplants and bridges hurts the Iranian people, Trump wants regime change not genocide.

If you are so piss-ignorant that you can't see the Zionists greasy little paws all over this war, there's not much point talking to you.

Underline "little".
They would also be the first target for an Iran nuke, so they do have a vested interest in stopping Iran's nuclear program.
But, the JCPOA showed that no one wants Iran to get the bomb.
It is in the US' better interest to defang Iran, since their ICBM program is for us.

 

[kyzr]

Starmer just called, Britain is sending in the Limies.

I'll believe that when I see it. Maybe mine sweepers, but not troops.

That's been kind of my point: we were right at the door mere hours from execution weeks ago and Iran backed out of the deal. So we should have dropped the hammer then. All these delays and continued tit for tat negotiations and squabbling over the Strait are pointless to me, a waste of time, a futile attempt, UNLESS: US Forces are amassing for a serious ground attack. Let's not be afraid to say it out-loud: you can't win a war without fighting one. And in war, people die, but just how far are we willing to allow Iran to continue to hold this pressure and threat over our heads until finally SOMEONE acts, says they have had enough? Like a Bandaid, the hardest part is often yanking it off.
These IRGC are not going to just go away no matter how economically beaten, these are not reasonable people, they will fight you back to the Stone Age if they must, and they need to see the whites of their opponent's eyes before we have any possibility of real solution.

Iran surrendered before, so there is precedent to surrender and live to fight another day.
Trump may be pressing the CIA to expedite regime change, if the IRGC hangs tough Iran is done, their oil wells will dry up if not pumped.

 

[JoeB131]

Seriously? When they have no power, no bridges, no oil?
They won't be going to Pakistan, so looks like they will just go dark.

Um, targeting those things would be a war crime. Trump would lose what little international support he has. Which is why he TACOd two weeks ago, and will TACO again.

So will they help us open Hormuz?

Nope.

My guess is Xi will make a very big deal about lecturing Trump on the foolishness of war.

He might promise to not give Iran any more weapons.

Destroying powerplants and bridges hurts the Iranian people, Trump wants regime change not genocide.

Well, he's not going to get regime change. (He isn't even talking about that anymore, he's just talking about them giving up their Uranium.)

They would also be the first target for an Iran nuke, so they do have a vested interest in stopping Iran's nuclear program.

Then they should go back to Europe, where they came from, and stop tormenting the Palestinians.

But, the JCPOA showed that no one wants Iran to get the bomb.

No, it showed sensible people were willing to use diplomacy to resolve the problem. Trump tore JCPOA up, because his Jew Masters don't want Diplomacy.

It is in the US' better interest to defang Iran, since their ICBM program is for us.

Then maybe we should stop screwing with them

 

[Independent thinker]

Why are you being insulting? I've been very polite and accommodating.

This happens all the time with those on the left, which I guess is why they are more prone to violence.

 

[Churchill]

Jesus is a Jew and Jesus is The Word of God. That's what your Scripture says. If you know your Bible, then you know that Jesus will come again and He will come back to Israel. If you don't know that, the you're just another confused person who doesn't understand the Scriptures and doesn't know who Jesus is. He will return to an already established nation of Israel and Mt. Zion. You're believing a false doctrine. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit can open your eyes. You and many are deceived, which Jesus predicted.

You're deceived, read this:

Zionist Jews killed Jews in the 1920s, Zionist Jews assasinated Jewish leaders like Yitzhak Rabin and Halm Arlosoroff.

By all means show me the prophecies you are referring to and we can discuss.

 

[Independent thinker]

He's a complete idiot.
Winston Churchill is spinning in his grave.
This Churchill doesn't have a clue.

The black sheep of the family.

 

[Independent thinker]

Something going on with this guy, for sure. Looks like some variation of schizophrenia.

Probably nothing but an internet troll.

 

[Independent thinker]

Maybe, but is the blockade really working? We are blocking Iran ships but now they are firing at and blocking the rest. This could drag on all summer. And about getting that uranium, it hasn't happened yet and it will require months of digging and with the cooperation of the Iranians.


Well, Iran just fired on a tanker, so, it doesn't look like the ceasefire will work, especially when Iran wants 100% of everything their way and regards any slight thing as having immediately violated the agreement.


Hmmm. I fear that Iran is using our vacillation both to buy time to get resupplies from China as well as develop alternate methods of exporting that bypasses our sea routes. I get the feeling Iran has thought about and planned for this for many years developing alternate strategies for every possible contingency.

All they ever do is stall for time.

 

[Independent thinker]

Sure it is.

Most of the world hates Israel.

Actually, most of the world is OK with Israel, including many of the Gulf states who Iran is firing on.