Should ICE shoot rock throwing protesters? (Poll)

[Zincwarrior]

Why? They are an authorized law enforcment agency.

Federal. Their job is enforcement. The local guys can do crowd control and not get involved in a massacre.

 

[westwall]

Rocks are flying through the air and the cops have plenty of riot gear to protect them

So its usually not life threatening

"Usually". They wear bullet proof vests too. How many die anyway?

I don't place my life in the hands of technology, or other people. If an asshole throws a rock he intends to do me harm.

He gets to live with the consequences of his actions.

 

[Nostra]

Shoot one in the leg and the rest will run away.

Or decorate a few of them with the pea brain of someone standing next to them throwing rocks.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I don't think we will.

If you start SHOOTING them?

 

[Darkwind]

Federal. Their job is enforcement. The local guys can do crowd control and not get involved in a massacre.

I've already said it.

This is NOT crowd control. They are legally serving warrants. If the crowd gets in the way, they get arrested too.

 

[Darkwind]

If you start SHOOTING them?

If you start shooting them in "SELF DEFENSE". Or don't you know the difference?

 

[westwall]

Federal. Their job is enforcement. The local guys can do crowd control and not get involved in a massacre.

So, basically you just described every LEO, federal or state.

DURRRRRR

 

[Zincwarrior]

I've already said it.

This is NOT crowd control. They are legally serving warrants. If the crowd gets in the way, they get arrested too.

Aka crowd control.

If you start shooting them in "SELF DEFENSE". Or don't you know the difference?

No. Thats literally Kent State.

 

[Meathead]

I was outraged that ICE did not shoot protesters throwing rocks at their vehicles at close range as seen in the video.
Obviously a case of "self-defense".
I'm also outraged that the vehicles that taxpayers paid for are being severely damaged.

Demonstrators throw projectiles at cars following ICE raids on Southern California farm

A confrontation erupted Thursday between protesters and federal officials carrying out a raid on a Southern California farm.

apnews.com

Trump wants them arrested. Fine. But throwing rocks or shooting fireworks should not be tolerated. We know that many protesters are armed and love to ambush ICE agents.

First round non-lethal. Those that continue get live ammunition.

 

[Darkwind]

Aka crowd control.

No. Thats literally Kent State.

No, it literally was not Kent State, and no, that is not crowd control.

 

[westwall]

Throwing rocks is lethal force. But answering with bullets just feeds the chaos. ICE has the training, authority, and upper hand—and that means they have the responsibility to de-escalate, not retaliate. We’re not about to let cartels obstruct our efforts to protect the economy, stop drug imports, and fight human trafficking by provoking our own agents into firing on American citizens. That’s exactly what the cartels would do if they were here in person. ICE isn’t their puppet.

Rioters have zero interest in de-escelation. The only thing they respond to is force

 

[westwall]

I'm familiar with those crimes. Why add to them?

Kill a few and the others finally figure out it isn't a game.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, it literally was not Kent State, and no, that is not crowd control.

Yep. And your careers will be over. The admin will get obliterated next election

 

[d0gbreath]

Kill a few and the others finally figure out it isn't a game.

Why would you want to create a non-game that would have you pissing your pants?

 

[kyzr]

Nobody’s defending rock-throwers—but giving government agents the green light to shoot into a crowd over it isn’t strength, it’s panic. If a badge and body armor aren’t enough to hold the line against unarmed idiots, the answer isn’t bullets—it’s backup, tactics, and restraint. In 2001, Cincinnati police deescalated protests after the Timothy Thomas shooting by switching to non-lethal tactics and focusing on crowd containment, not retaliation. That calmed the streets faster than any trigger ever could. You escalate like that, you don’t get law and order—you get blowback and blood in places that had nothing to do with it.

Circumstances vary.
1. For disbursing large crowds the V-MADS system shown in post #35 looks good
2. For close rock throwers like I show in the OP video I have no problem with ICE shooting them.
3. I disagree with "backup, tactics, and restraint". Rioters now ambush ICE agents. The escalation already started, its time to establish "law and order".
4. Peaceful demonstrations get respect, violence gets stopped not tolerated.

 

[Darkwind]

Yep. And your careers will be over. The admin will get obliterated next election

Well you got Me there. Trump will never get reelected this way!

 

[Thinker101]

Killing people for throwing rocks? Isn't that a third world country type of thing?

Third world punishment is all they understand.

 

[westwall]

Why would you want to create a non-game that would have you pissing your pants?

I didn't create the game. YOU and your antifart loons did that.

I want that game to end before innocent people get hurt.

 

[kyzr]

No. Shooting protesters is the job of the local police.

Self-defense is the job of all law enforcement, even the NG or US Marines.

There was a movie, "The New Centurions" where George C Scott explains "Kilvinski's Law".

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[westwall]

I didn’t ask a question—and this has nothing to do with aim. ICE could land every shot with military precision, and it still wouldn’t change the point: We don’t hand the cartel a win by letting our own agents open fire on U.S. citizens. That’s cartel logic. We’re not going to let them disrupt efforts to protect our country from drugs, human trafficking, and economic sabotage by baiting us into doing their dirty work for them.

The rioters are working for the cartels.

**** 'em. They chose their side.