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[BULLDOG]

Nothing vague about it. From your link,

a finding that the individual's mental impairment meets or medically equals the requirements of section 12.00 of the Listing of Impairments (Listings) and receipt of benefits through a representative payee.

12.00-Mental Disorders-Adult

Nothing in that allows denial of guns for a screwed up checkbook. I know you are just repeating what you have been told, but you have been told a lie...........AGAIN

they'll just call it a neurocognitive disorder

Like I said too much leeway for the government is a bad idea

but you're too naive to see that

You got nothing.Your claims have been shot down, but you're too dumb to admit it.

read the description of neurocognitive disorder in the link and tell me there is not a lot of room in that description

you are naive to the point of mental retardation

You're just getting silly now.

You're silly to trust the government

We are the government. Yes, occasionally we get someone who is unethical, but until extremely recently that never caused a long term problem. Things started going bad when the right, under Newt Gingrich, threw away their integrity and decided lies and false accusations worked better for them than hard work for their constituents.

 

[Meane]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

 

[Skull Pilot]

they'll just call it a neurocognitive disorder

Like I said too much leeway for the government is a bad idea

but you're too naive to see that

You got nothing.Your claims have been shot down, but you're too dumb to admit it.

read the description of neurocognitive disorder in the link and tell me there is not a lot of room in that description

you are naive to the point of mental retardation

You're just getting silly now.

You're silly to trust the government

We are the government. Yes, occasionally we get someone who is unethical, but until extremely recently that never caused a long term problem. Things started going bad when the right, under Newt Gingrich, threw away their integrity and decided lies and false accusations worked better for them than hard work for their constituents.

"we" are not the government

that's just some bullshit we are fed to keep us compliant

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

There is a constitutional right to vote, should there be FREE voter ID's? I am all for training of weapons, just as long as those who purchase weapons are law abiding citizens, not some flaming liberal who wants to go shoot blacks in a poor church. Or a movie theater in Colorado. Or kids in an elementary school. If you are nuts, and the leftwing is nuts, ban them from learning how to shoot, don't give them a voter ID and send them all to Cuba. The US would be great again. Liberals are miserable wretches.

You might want to note that the examples you gave have already been fulfilled by right wing gun nuts, and the NRA is fighting daily to protect the rights of crazies to buy all the guns they want.

And of course you have to lie in order to push your argument...since the truth isn't on your side.....The ACLU and the NRA both support the concept that you can't take away the Rights of an American without due process and actual cause....you, being a left winger, just want power....so stripping citizens of their Rights because you don't like what they do is good for you...

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

 

[BULLDOG]

You might want to note that the examples you gave have already been fulfilled by right wing gun nuts, and the NRA is fighting daily to protect the rights of crazies to buy all the guns they want.

And of course you have to lie in order to push your argument...since the truth isn't on your side.....The ACLU and the NRA both support the concept that you can't take away the Rights of an American without due process and actual cause....you, being a left winger, just want power....so stripping citizens of their Rights because you don't like what they do is good for you...

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

I have about 20 more than that. What would you like to know?

 

[Meane]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

That's not at all what I meant.

But seriously, owning a gun is an automatic right and to decide whether or not to have a baby, isn't?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And of course you have to lie in order to push your argument...since the truth isn't on your side.....The ACLU and the NRA both support the concept that you can't take away the Rights of an American without due process and actual cause....you, being a left winger, just want power....so stripping citizens of their Rights because you don't like what they do is good for you...

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

Due Process is when you steal something from someone else, get caught, then get your day in court. Not like some US citizens who were droned to death outside the US and didn't get their day in Court. Of course I am talking about Obama, which you lefties didn't mind him going against the citizens rights. Just a shame he didn't take a few of you out also, many of US would of cheered.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property.

Something about Liberals and how they hate the Constitution.

 

[Picaro]

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

Due Process is when you steal something from someone else, get caught, then get your day in court. Not like some US citizens who were droned to death outside the US and didn't get their day in Court. Of course I am talking about Obama, which you lefties didn't mind him going against the citizens rights. Just a shame he didn't take a few of you out also, many of US would of cheered.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property.

Something about Liberals and how they hate the Constitution.

Those 'citizens' fled the country and plotted violence against the U.S., so screw them and 'their day in court'; nobody stopped them from turning themselves in and having that day in court. They got their day via a nice efficient drone visit. Good riddance to the vermin.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

And of course you have to lie in order to push your argument...since the truth isn't on your side.....The ACLU and the NRA both support the concept that you can't take away the Rights of an American without due process and actual cause....you, being a left winger, just want power....so stripping citizens of their Rights because you don't like what they do is good for you...

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

By the way, I knew you would ignore a simple request to review what the predominant economist had said in his many ways about "TRUE" capitalism and how it beats socialism any day. Just cant change the viewpoint of someone who has been brainwashed by the left.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

I have about 20 more than that. What would you like to know?

there's nothing you can teach me

 

[Skull Pilot]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

That's not at all what I meant.

But seriously, owning a gun is an automatic right and to decide whether or not to have a baby, isn't?

what?

And what makes you think I have any problem with abortion?

oh wait I know I am pro second amendment so I must be

a republican
anti abortion
anti gay marriage

etc etc

it's what all you 2 dimensional thinkers assume

FYI

Not anti abortion
not against gay marriage
not a republican

For legalizing all drugs
for individual freedoms with the only restriction being exercising those freedoms cannot infringe on another

or to put it simply for simple minded folks

I mind my own fucking business

 

[2aguy]

Funny, the very people who advocate for abortions - basically a violent act, want to deny certain others their rights to gun ownership based on the possibility that they might, just might, be violent with their guns.

Which "very people" are you referring to? I have not met those people yet. I have never met anyone that wants to deny someone the right to a gun "based on the possibility that they might, just might, be violent with their guns". Usually, people make some good points about criminal record or psychological issue history.

How long have you been on U.S. message......? there are several right here...and then you have obama clinton, shumber, boxer, feinstein....they believe that completely.....

 

[2aguy]

they'll just call it a neurocognitive disorder

Like I said too much leeway for the government is a bad idea

but you're too naive to see that

You got nothing.Your claims have been shot down, but you're too dumb to admit it.

read the description of neurocognitive disorder in the link and tell me there is not a lot of room in that description

you are naive to the point of mental retardation

You're just getting silly now.

You're silly to trust the government

We are the government. Yes, occasionally we get someone who is unethical, but until extremely recently that never caused a long term problem. Things started going bad when the right, under Newt Gingrich, threw away their integrity and decided lies and false accusations worked better for them than hard work for their constituents.

What false accusations?

 

[2aguy]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

No.....wrong...completely wrong. Training requirements are the way the European governments keep the few hunting shotguns out of the hands of the poor and middle class......and in this country, the requirement of a Test for the exercising of a Right is UnConstitutional...since it was used by democrats to deny blacks the Right to vote....

Shall not be infringed doesn't mean you get to infringe on it until we meet some arbitrary training standard that you anti gunners can keep increasing in time, money and requirements that guarantee that only the rich will be able to own guns...

No thanks...

 

[BULLDOG]

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

Due Process is when you steal something from someone else, get caught, then get your day in court. Not like some US citizens who were droned to death outside the US and didn't get their day in Court. Of course I am talking about Obama, which you lefties didn't mind him going against the citizens rights. Just a shame he didn't take a few of you out also, many of US would of cheered.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property.

Something about Liberals and how they hate the Constitution.

Something about RWNJs and the way they try to change the subject as they crash and burn.

 

[BULLDOG]

Great idea ARM THE CRAZIES!! THE NRA SUPPORTS THE RIGHT FOR ALL CRAZIES TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH!!!!

That is, of course, a lie.......the ACLU and the NRA want due process Rights observed before AMericans are stripped of a fundamental Right....you disagree with this?

Due process doesn't always mean a court hearing. We fulfill due process obligations every day without going to court. That phrase means nothing more than following defined procedures. Paying the cashier at the store for a gallon of milk is due process.

Purchasing a gallon of milk with money is not due process, you buffoon, but a contract between 2 people. 1 person has a product the other needs, while the other worked so many hours to create wealth, so he can PAY for that product. Maybe instead of watching the Lame Stream Media, you listen to Walter E. Williams a very astute economic professor, but you wont, because then you might become educated. Walter E. Williams Quotes | Quotation Collection

Profit is a payment to entrepreneurs just as wages are payments to labor, interest to capital, and rent to land. In order to earn profits in free markets, entrepreneurs must identify and satisfy human wants in a way that economizes on society's scarce resources.

You worked rally hard to get your little quote in there, but, yes due process is following the defined and necessary procedure for any transaction, whether that transaction is filing papers for a court hearing, or paying for a gallon of milk.

By the way, I knew you would ignore a simple request to review what the predominant economist had said in his many ways about "TRUE" capitalism and how it beats socialism any day. Just cant change the viewpoint of someone who has been brainwashed by the left.

Yep. I tend to try staying on subject whenever possible. Hard to do with right wingers though. Since you brought it up, that guy is a predominant right wing economist. You'll see him a lot on fox, but not so much anywhere else.

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

I have about 20 more than that. What would you like to know?

there's nothing you can teach me

You could be right. Before retirement, I occasionally had to teach tech classes on a new piece of equipment we acquired. There was always one or two who thought they already knew everything, and you couldn't teach them anything. They were always kept on the old equipment until it was sold, and then they were let go.

 

[BULLDOG]

I agree completely. There is a constitutional right to own a gun if you so choose, so the government should pay so that constitutionally granted right can be enjoyed as safely as possible. Of course, that means that the right to an abortion, which is also a constitutional right if the woman so chooses, should also be paid for by the government so that constitutionally granted right can be practiced as safely as possible too. This is fun. What other constitutional rights do you want the government to pay for? Mark this day down. We are finally in agreement.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right.....the ability to murder a defenseless human is not a Right, that is a crime.

You're such a hypocrite.

A person shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if he hasn't training for it. Training first, weapon next.

Well since you don't know shit about guns you think no one else does.

I have 30 plus years of experience handling firearms

That's not at all what I meant.

But seriously, owning a gun is an automatic right and to decide whether or not to have a baby, isn't?

what?

And what makes you think I have any problem with abortion?

oh wait I know I am pro second amendment so I must be

a republican
anti abortion
anti gay marriage

etc etc

it's what all you 2 dimensional thinkers assume

FYI

Not anti abortion
not against gay marriage
not a republican

For legalizing all drugs
for individual freedoms with the only restriction being exercising those freedoms cannot infringe on another

or to put it simply for simple minded folks

I mind my own fucking business

Yet you still vote for right wing politicians. That makes you a republican, even if you are too embarrassed to admit it.