Should federal hiring match the population?

[Foxfyre]

Therein lies the struggle.

We are expecting the current government workforce to do the work of something twice its size. It's untenable, in my opinion.

We'll see. From what I have observed of federal workers working from home here and what others have observed elsewhere, tens of thousands of them are most likely not at all doing any work we need done. I have a couple of family members in the federal workforce and, while they do their jobs, they are by no means overworked.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Define "big."

And adequately sized federal workforce that suits the population it governs?

Poland's public sector is 20% of it's population. The 3 million federal employees here? 1%.

There are public sectors across the world that take up a far greater proportion of their populations than ours do in the US.

To big ?
In a supposedly free market, capitalistic society the US Government is the largest employer that is the very definition of to big. The Fed has gone way beyond it's mandate and needs to be cut. Let the States take up whatever the people think they want as intended when this country was founded.

 

[rightwinger]

Even if that were true, so what?

The Government is only responsible for what is listed in the Enumerated powers of said Government...Everything else is bloat....We should cut 75% of the bureaucrats and do away with unconstitutional agencies.

You keep saying that
Only whackjobs believe it

 

[rightwinger]

To big ?
In a supposedly free market, capitalistic society the US Government is the largest employer that is the very definition of to big. The Fed has gone way beyond it's mandate and needs to be cut. Let the States take up whatever the people think they want as intended when this country was founded.

We figured out in the Civil War that so much power to the states was a bad idea

 

[TemplarKormac]

We'll see. From what I have observed of federal workers working from home here and what others have observed elsewhere, tens of thousands of them are most likely not at all doing any work we need done. I have a couple of family members in the federal workforce and, while they do their jobs, they are by no means overworked.

Then, by all means, fire the ones doing nothing or those refusing to come work on site. Make sure you replace them with those that are willing to.

And I go from my grandmother's old axiom:

"What's true for you may not be true for someone else."

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Tenth Amendment was ratified to give states powers the government was not given by the Constitution.

What it doesn't mean is that we act carte blanche to give states all the power.

 

[Foxfyre]

Then, by all means, fire the ones doing nothing or those refusing to come work on site. Make sure you replace them with those that are willing to.

And I go from my grandmother's old axiom:

"What's true for you may not be true for someone else."

My point they weren't doing their jobs and they weren't missed or needed in those jobs. They should not be replaced.

 

[j-mac]

You keep saying that
Only whackjobs believe it

Why would you say that? Surely you know that the Constitution is a limiting document?

 

[TemplarKormac]

US Government is the largest employer

That's news to me.

According to BLS data, there are 3 million federal employees and 19.58 million state and local.

All other modes of employment combined easily outmatch that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

My point they weren't doing their jobs and they weren't missed or needed in those jobs. They should not be replaced.

We will see. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not going to sit here and demand efficiency from a government that is incapable of working efficiently, even before working from home became a thing.

Get rid of the unnecessary, keep what is. Though, determining what is necessary and unnecessary is open to interpretation.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would you say that? Surely you know that the Constitution is a limiting document?

I agree. But not so much as to make government work inefficiently.

 

[j-mac]

I agree. But not so much as to make government work inefficiently.

And you think it's efficient now? Hell, the IRS is still using COBALT for Christ sake....We could put most of these jobs in oblivion, and not miss a beat....

 

[Foxfyre]

We will see. I hope I'm wrong. But I'm not going to sit here and demand efficiency from a government that is incapable of working efficiently, even before working from home became a thing.

Get rid of the unnecessary, keep what is. Though, determining what is necessary and unnecessary is open to interpretation.

Not if you have been in management which I have. You know pretty quick who is necessary to that organization and who isn't. But if you aren't responsible for what that organization is costing or don't care--that has been the case with the federal government for far too long--then it is easy to become bloated with people who are unqualified for/are incompetent in their jobs or unnecessary to the organization or lack the work ethic to care.

A good manager knows what needs to be done and organizes a work force to accomplish that. And he/she does that with as little waste or inefficiency as possible. And in the case of government with as little fraud and corruption as possible.

 

[whitehall]

The federal government is not an employment agency. Hiring drones on the basis of some arbitrary population number is insanity.

 

[1srelluc]

As long as there are qualified American-born bodies to fill the jobs, no foreigner with a green card should be able to get a government job.

It's getting so it looks like the UN came by and took a giant bowel movement of workers into .gov agencies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And you think it's efficient now? Hell, the IRS is still using COBALT for Christ sake....We could put most of these jobs in oblivion, and not miss a beat....

COBOL?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not if you have been in management which I have. You know pretty quick who is necessary to that organization and who isn't. But if you aren't responsible for what that organization is costing or don't care--that has been the case with the federal government for far too long--then it is easy to become bloated with people who are unqualified for/are incompetent in their jobs or unnecessary to the organization or lack the work ethic to care.

A good manager knows what needs to be done and organizes a work force to accomplish that. And he/she does that with as little waste or inefficiency as possible. And in the case of government with as little fraud and corruption as possible.

I don't find I can argue with someone with actual experience in the matter.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And you think it's efficient now? Hell, the IRS is still using COBALT for Christ sake....We could put most of these jobs in oblivion, and not miss a beat....

Improve the software, don't arbitrarily fire the employees.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Not if you have been in management which I have. You know pretty quick who is necessary to that organization and who isn't. But if you aren't responsible for what that organization is costing or don't care--that has been the case with the federal government for far too long--then it is easy to become bloated with people who are unqualified for/are incompetent in their jobs or unnecessary to the organization or lack the work ethic to care.

A good manager knows what needs to be done and organizes a work force to accomplish that. And he/she does that with as little waste or inefficiency as possible. And in the case of government with as little fraud and corruption as possible.

But while I won't necessarily argue with you because of your experience, I will point this out, from a layman's perspective:

What's properly staffed in one area may not be in another.

Good management in one place does not necessarily translate to larger companies (or, in this case, larger government agencies), nor does it qualify one to manage that larger agency.

Management isn't something the president does as far as hiring and firing goes. That's something he leaves to agency heads. They are ultimately left with making the decisions about who or what are necessary and unnecessary.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

That's news to me.

According to BLS data, there are 3 million federal employees and 19.58 million state and local.

All other modes of employment combined easily outmatch that.

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