Should federal hiring match the population?

[jc456]

Nope. I'll attribute these childish responses to a failure in understanding.

My fault entirely for expecting anyone to have an open mind about the subject.

are you conceding then? I gave you an answer to every question you asked. you keep moving the goal posts and playing the pee wee herman game of what if.

 

[struth]

If we allowed states to govern themselves, one wonders who they would ally themselves with in the world militarily?

Um states to govern themselves. We have 51 constitutions in this country. Did you not know that?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wanting to cut the size of the federal govt doesn’t mean you are anti govt

No one said cut it til it doesn’t exist

You are arguing something nobody has suggested

Being a former right-wing extremist, I know how far that can go. Not all actions taken in moderation are taken for the sake of moderation, some are taken in aggregate to achieve a far greater, more extreme goal.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Um states to govern themselves. We have 51 constitutions in this country. Did you not know that?

But without a greater government like the Federal?

 

[jc456]

But without a greater government like the Federal?

feds are useless.

 

[struth]

Being a former right-wing extremist, I know how far that can go. Not all actions taken in moderation are taken for the sake of moderation, they are taken in aggregate to achieve a far greater, more extreme goal.

Well being an extremist is not a good thing, just look at your silly post here and how it’s been beaten down

You are still very much an extremist, it just seems you want a authoritarian centralized govt that dictates to the people…

 

[TemplarKormac]

are you conceding then? I gave you an answer to every question you asked. you keep moving the goal posts and playing the pee wee herman game of what if.

I am conceding to a lack of understanding, a failure to comprehend the true meaning of efficiency.

You can't expect a government to conduct itself properly if it is understaffed at the federal level.

What I see is us essentially doing building the Hoover Dam in front of a creek.

 

[struth]

But without a greater government like the Federal?

Yes they do, and the feudal govt isn’t a “greater govt” it’s another govt, it’s the concept of Federalist, hence why we call it Federal govt. we have 50 sovereign states that formed a union together, and a limited govt governing that Union

 

[Foxfyre]

Efficiency is, by definition, maximal output through minimal input. Some say we have too many federal employees, while others say we have too few.

I contend that we have too few. Due to understaffing, the quality of government services suffers. The expectation of an employee to do the work of two people is unrealistic. Worker fatigue sets in and compromises performance. Therefore, it is through a lack of input of a sufficient workforce to address public demand that government fails address public demand properly.

What say you?

I say it is ridiculous to hire 10 people to do what one person can do effectively and efficiently. Quotas of any kind are dumb in hiring. You hire the people necessary to do whatever function they are needed to do. Period.

Further the people you hire should be the most qualified, capable, competent, effective, efficient people you can find. If there are none available then you may have to LEGALLY import some and/or train some who are capable of being trained.

You need to hire just enough people to get the job done without unnecessary stressing out or burning out good people doing the job.

I have had several jobs in which nobody was available who could do the job so the boss was willing to train me to do it. I didn't disappoint any of those bosses plus I gained new marketable skills.

 

[TemplarKormac]

ell being an extremist is not a good thing, just look at your silly post here and how it’s been beaten down

Patting yourself on the back is not how you convince me my argument has "been beaten down."

You are still very much an extremist, it just seems you want a authoritarian centralized govt that dictates to the people…

I never said I wanted authoritarian anything. How do you derive that from what I posted?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes they do, and the feudal govt isn’t a “greater govt” it’s another govt, it’s the concept of Federalist, hence why we call it Federal govt. we have 50 sovereign states that formed a union together, and a limited govt governing that Union

It is a greater government, or there would be no need for supremacy doctrine.

 

[jc456]

I am conceding to a lack of understanding, a failure to comprehend the true meaning of efficiency.

You can't expect a government to conduct itself properly if it is understaffed at the federal level.

I don't want a federal government, so every other topic is mute.

What I see is us essentially doing building the Hoover Dam in front of a creek.

And look at it today!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Efficiency is, by definition, maximal output through minimal input. Some say we have too many federal employees, while others say we have too few.

I contend that we have too few. Due to understaffing, the quality of government services suffers. The expectation of an employee to do the work of two people is unrealistic. Worker fatigue sets in and compromises performance. Therefore, it is through a lack of input of a sufficient workforce to address public demand that government fails address public demand properly.

What say you?

I contend that we have too few. Due to understaffing, the quality of government services suffers.

How much staff do we have for services the Fed government shouldn't be doing?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Efficiency is, by definition, maximal output through minimal input. Some say we have too many federal employees, while others say we have too few.

I contend that we have too few. Due to understaffing, the quality of government services suffers. The expectation of an employee to do the work of two people is unrealistic. Worker fatigue sets in and compromises performance. Therefore, it is through a lack of input of a sufficient workforce to address public demand that government fails address public demand properly.

What say you?

Efficiency and big government ? You can not be serious ?

If your State wants to provide the services that the Federal Government has no Constitutional mandate to be involved in let them tax the shit out you for them.

Tenth Amendment​

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I say it is ridiculous to hire 10 people to do what one person can do effectively and efficiently. Quotas of any kind are dumb in hiring. You hire the people necessary to do whatever function they are needed to do. Period.

Further the people you hire should be the most qualified, capable, competent, effective, efficient people you can find. If there are none available then you may have to LEGALLY import some and/or train some who are capable of being trained.

You need to hire just enough people to get the job done without unnecessary stressing out or burning out good people doing the job.

I have had several jobs in which nobody was available who could do the job so the boss was willing to train me to do it. I didn't disappoint any of those bosses plus I gained new marketable skills.

Therein lies the struggle.

We are expecting the current government workforce to do the work of something twice its size. It's untenable, in my opinion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No greater government at all?

Simply a collection of states running themselves?

Are you suggesting we dissolve the union?

Did you know that the head of the Tennessee Valley Authority makes over $10MM a year?

 

[jc456]

Therein lies the struggle.

We are expecting the current government workforce to do the work of something twice its size. It's untenable, in my opinion.

there you go again, we don't need the feds.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Efficiency and big government ? You can not be serious ?

Define "big."

Perhaps an adequately sized federal workforce that suits the population it governs?

Poland's public sector is 20% of it's population. The 3 million federal employees here? 1%.

There are public sectors across the world that take up a far greater proportion of their populations than ours do in the US.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Did you know that the head of the Tennessee Valley Authority makes over $10MM a year?

Yes? I fail to see the correlation, but I do know that. I knew people who lived under the authority of the TVA.

 

[j-mac]

Statistics show that the Federal Workforce has remained at around 2.5 million for the last 50 years

The population has almost doubled

Even if that were true, so what?

The Government is only responsible for what is listed in the Enumerated powers of said Government...Everything else is bloat....We should cut 75% of the bureaucrats and do away with unconstitutional agencies.