Should federal hiring match the population?

[TemplarKormac]

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Cool. But the other 9 outpace the 1.

Essentially meaning the private sector holds far more employees than the federal government does.

There are 159 million people in the private sector workforce, and 3 million in the federal.

Meaning the private sector outpaces the federal by a factor of 53 times. If we factor in state and local, which makes it 23 million, it would still outpace the public sector by a factor of 7.

 

[TemplarKormac]

But those calling me "liberal," I invite you to challenge me on that. You are sorely mistaken if you think I am.

I see viable points on both sides, not just yours.

 

[j-mac]

Improve the software, don't arbitrarily fire the employees.

As AI does more, their jobs will no obsolete anyway…Let’s face it, these people are acting like an unaccountable branch of government with no oversight…time for a haircut.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As AI does more, their jobs will no obsolete anyway…Let’s face it, these people are acting like an unaccountable branch of government with no oversight…time for a haircut.

But who programs the AI? Other AI? I'm not following.

 

[Foxfyre]

But while I won't necessarily argue with you because of your experience, I will point this out, from a layman's perspective:

What's properly staffed in one area may not be in another.

Good management in one place does not necessarily translate to larger companies (or, in this case, larger government agencies), nor does it qualify one to manage that larger agency.

Management isn't something the president does as far as hiring and firing goes. That's something he leaves to agency heads. They are ultimately left with making the decisions about who or what are necessary and unnecessary.

True. And if you hire qualified, competent, capable agency heads, they will do a full analysis of their agency, what it is doing that is serving the people and what doesn't and they can best assess what people they need to be efficient, effective, competent in providing necessary services to the people. The operative word here is NECESSARY as so much of what the federal government does is not.

For instance DOGE just uncovered a sizable grant to teach trans farmers about food justice. I don't know how many trans farmers there are or how many of those are ignorant about 'food justice', but I'll teach the few there are about 'food justice' for nothing. Certainly we don't need federal employees and funding to do that.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Cool. But the other 9 outpace the 1.

Essentially meaning the private sector holds far more employees than the federal government does.

There are 159 million people in the private sector workforce, and 3 million in the federal.

Meaning the private sector outpaces the federal by a factor of 53 times. If we factor in state and local, which makes it 23 million, it would still outpace the public sector by a factor of 7.

You are combining all companies. The US Government is the largest single employer in the country.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The operative word here is NECESSARY as so much of what the federal government does is not.

Interesting, though that potentially suggests that we get rid of any or all federal programs providing funding to states.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You are combining all companies. The US Government is the largest single employer in the country.

Of course. But I don't see how that's an argument to fire people.

If it's unnecessary, get rid of it. If it's necessary, keep it. If it compromises government functioning by getting rid of it, keep it. If the government can do without it, get rid of it.

But firing for the sake of firing under the guise of efficiency is neither constructive or efficient.

 

[j-mac]

But who programs the AI? Other AI? I'm not following.

It won’t take 3 million, that’s for sure….Look, I believe government is bloated, and like I said using the regulatory process like their own end around passing law. Plus, they believe they are unaccountable to oversight, this should be unacceptable to every American…No one elected them.

 

[Foxfyre]

Interesting, though that potentially suggests that we get rid of any or all federal programs providing funding to states.

That may or may not be an option. Most funding to the states is in federal installations/operations in those states plus medicaid/medicare/SS disability funding, SNAP and such. So it all has to be analyzed to determine what benefits are actually getting to people who are entitled to receive them, what federal installations are necessary and useful to the people (i.e. essential military bases) and what isn't.

For sure scattering federal operations across the 50 states will give us much better opportunity to hire qualified, competent, capable people that may not be available in the woke, leftist minded culture of Washington DC.

For sure if the cost of staffing and operating a government department or installation costs more than what USEFUL services it provides to all Americans, something is wrong and needs to change.

 

[Marener]

My point they weren't doing their jobs and they weren't missed or needed in those jobs. They should not be replaced.

A town could eliminate half their firefighters. They might not notice anything.

But if they do, it’s too late.

The point isn’t that you can’t reduce jobs, the point is you need to be careful because if you screw up, it’s a big deal.

 

[Foxfyre]

A town could eliminate half their firefighters. They might not notice anything.

But if they do, it’s too late.

The point isn’t that you can’t reduce jobs, the point is you need to be careful because if you screw up, it’s a big deal.

Yes. The government audits in process need to be done carefully, responsibility, and with the goal of restoring the government as a servant to the people rather than the other way around.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes. The government audits in process need to be done carefully, responsibility, and with the goal of restoring the government as a servant to the people rather than the other way around.

This. This is what I like to see! Constructive conversation.

Good on you two Foxfyre and Marener.

 

[Marener]

Yes. The government audits in process need to be done carefully, responsibility, and with the goal of restoring the government as a servant to the people rather than the other way around.

Considering they’ve had to rehire thousands of people they fired, it seems they’re not doing it nearly so carefully.

 

[j-mac]

A town could eliminate half their firefighters. They might not notice anything.

But if they do, it’s too late.

The point isn’t that you can’t reduce jobs, the point is you need to be careful because if you screw up, it’s a big deal.

No doubt, but your local fire dept, is just that...Local...Not federal. So, just to make sure the record is clear, Musk said more than once, that they're going to make mistakes, but that they would correct them with transparency when they do.

So, I'm just saying, a reasonable person taking that at face value, would have to conclude to this point that he is living up to his word on that...Everything is posted to his site, including when mistakes are made, and corrected. All you have to do is take a thorough look at it...

But, with some, maybe you, maybe not, doesn't care to look at it, and just make up the narrative, or rely on left leaning media, to make it up for you....I know that's all the rage these days.

 

[Marener]

No doubt, but your local fire dept, is just that...Local...Not federal. So, just to make sure the record is clear, Musk said more than once, that they're going to make mistakes, but that they would correct them with transparency when they do.

So, I'm just saying, a reasonable person taking that at face value, would have to conclude to this point that he is living up to his word on that...Everything is posted to his site, including when mistakes are made, and corrected. All you have to do is take a thorough look at it...

But, with some, maybe you, maybe not, doesn't care to look at it, and just make up the narrative, or rely on left leaning media, to make it up for you....I know that's all the rage these days.

There’s very little transparency to DOGE and they make a LOT of mistakes which demonstrates their carelessness.

Musk says a lot of things and often fails to deliver.

 

[j-mac]

There’s very little transparency to DOGE and they make a LOT of mistakes which demonstrates their carelessness.

Musk says a lot of things and often fails to deliver.

Well, I figured you'd respond like that, so, I've already addressed that....

Have a good night.

 

[Marener]

Well, I figured you'd respond like that, so, I've already addressed that....

Have a good night.

Funny how the Republicans don’t want Musk to testify. He’s so transparent after all.

 

[Marener]

People that believe Musk and DOGE are transparent are dopes.

DOGE Savings Tracker Deletes More Claims, Reduces Potential DOGE Check Amount

A DOGE check proxy was adding to the DOGE Savings Tracker website, but more errors were identified too, reducing the savings from cutting contracts by billions.

www.forbes.com

 

[rightwinger]

Why would you say that? Surely you know that the Constitution is a limiting document?

And?

Why don’t you go to court and challenge any government you find Unconstitutional?