Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[beagle9]

How am I demanding special treatment or anyone else for that matter, when we are not the ones doing things that special treatment is being called for? Be honest and do tell who are the ones demanding special treatment these days.

By demanding that you should be exempted from PA laws because you have a religious objection to homosexuals.

No.

You say No as if you are the deciding and final vote on the matter, but I say that your attitude will soon end when people finally realize how bad they have been duped on all of this mess.

Holding Christians to the same laws as everyone else isn't a 'mess'. There's not a harsher law for the rest of us and a much more lenient one exclusively for Christians.

There's the same law for everyone. Get used to the idea.

No, because forcing Christians to abide by something that is against their beliefs and teachings is way more than what any law was supposed to be or was intended to do, because it wasn't intended to do that at all, but here we are and now what's next ?

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came. I can't imagine the baker refusing an already prepared cake that was in the case to be sold to anyone that walked in, so the whole story I don't think is fully known here, or it isn't making a whole lot of sence to me.

 

[Skylar]

By demanding that you should be exempted from PA laws because you have a religious objection to homosexuals.

No.

You say No as if you are the deciding and final vote on the matter, but I say that your attitude will soon end when people finally realize how bad they have been duped on all of this mess.

Holding Christians to the same laws as everyone else isn't a 'mess'. There's not a harsher law for the rest of us and a much more lenient one exclusively for Christians.

There's the same law for everyone. Get used to the idea.

No, because forcing Christians to abide by something that is against their beliefs and teachings is way more than what any law was supposed to be or was intended to do, because it wasn't intended to do that at all, but here we are and now what's next ?

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came.

If as a Christian, you can't sell cake....then don't be in the cake selling business. If your religion makes it impossible to do your job, find another job.

Its not that complicated.

 

[beagle9]

You say No as if you are the deciding and final vote on the matter, but I say that your attitude will soon end when people finally realize how bad they have been duped on all of this mess.

Holding Christians to the same laws as everyone else isn't a 'mess'. There's not a harsher law for the rest of us and a much more lenient one exclusively for Christians.

There's the same law for everyone. Get used to the idea.

No, because forcing Christians to abide by something that is against their beliefs and teachings is way more than what any law was supposed to be or was intended to do, because it wasn't intended to do that at all, but here we are and now what's next ?

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came.

If as a Christian, you can't sell cake....then don't be in the cake selling business. If your religion makes it impossible to do your job, find another job.

Its not that complicated.

If you are Homersexual, and you can't get a shop to bake you a wedding cake for you and who ever, then don't be in the cake seeking business for gay weddings from the Christians. If your lifestyle makes it impossible to get a cake dressed out for your event, then find another shop. See how that works ? No you don't, because you can say this to the straights who are Christian out there, but how dare reverse it the other way around like this right ?

 

[Syriusly]

Holding Christians to the same laws as everyone else isn't a 'mess'. There's not a harsher law for the rest of us and a much more lenient one exclusively for Christians.

There's the same law for everyone. Get used to the idea.

No, because forcing Christians to abide by something that is against their beliefs and teachings is way more than what any law was supposed to be or was intended to do, because it wasn't intended to do that at all, but here we are and now what's next ?

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came.

If as a Christian, you can't sell cake....then don't be in the cake selling business. If your religion makes it impossible to do your job, find another job.

Its not that complicated.

If you are Homersexual, and you can't get a shop to bake you a wedding cake for you and who ever, then don't be in the cake seeking business for gay weddings from the Christians. If your lifestyle makes it impossible to get a cake dressed out for your event, then find another shop. See how that works ? No you don't, because you can say this to the straights who are Christian out there, but how dare reverse it the other way around like this right ?

Are you really this stupid?

Skylar is actually telling you what the law is- the law you want Christians to be able to ignore- but have no problem with everyone else being required to obey.

It is called Public Accomodation laws- not consumer's need to shop elsewhere laws.

No matter how much you stomp your feet, you don't get special exemptions just because you claim to be Christian.

 

[beagle9]

No, because forcing Christians to abide by something that is against their beliefs and teachings is way more than what any law was supposed to be or was intended to do, because it wasn't intended to do that at all, but here we are and now what's next ?

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came.

If as a Christian, you can't sell cake....then don't be in the cake selling business. If your religion makes it impossible to do your job, find another job.

Its not that complicated.

If you are Homersexual, and you can't get a shop to bake you a wedding cake for you and who ever, then don't be in the cake seeking business for gay weddings from the Christians. If your lifestyle makes it impossible to get a cake dressed out for your event, then find another shop. See how that works ? No you don't, because you can say this to the straights who are Christian out there, but how dare reverse it the other way around like this right ?

Are you really this stupid?

Skylar is actually telling you what the law is- the law you want Christians to be able to ignore- but have no problem with everyone else being required to obey.

It is called Public Accomodation laws- not consumer's need to shop elsewhere laws.

No matter how much you stomp your feet, you don't get special exemptions just because you claim to be Christian.

Do you really not see the double standard here?

 

[Syriusly]

You do not get to ignore any law you don't like. If your job is incompatible with your religion, find another job.

If you sell cake to the public, the only thing you're required to do is sell cake to the public. That's it. If you can't do that, find another job.

That wasn't just it though, it was a unique situation where the two came together over the cake needing to be dressed or created for the specific occasion, and that's when the conflict came.

If as a Christian, you can't sell cake....then don't be in the cake selling business. If your religion makes it impossible to do your job, find another job.

Its not that complicated.

If you are Homersexual, and you can't get a shop to bake you a wedding cake for you and who ever, then don't be in the cake seeking business for gay weddings from the Christians. If your lifestyle makes it impossible to get a cake dressed out for your event, then find another shop. See how that works ? No you don't, because you can say this to the straights who are Christian out there, but how dare reverse it the other way around like this right ?

Are you really this stupid?

Skylar is actually telling you what the law is- the law you want Christians to be able to ignore- but have no problem with everyone else being required to obey.

It is called Public Accomodation laws- not consumer's need to shop elsewhere laws.

No matter how much you stomp your feet, you don't get special exemptions just because you claim to be Christian.

Do you really not see the double standard here?

No.

The law protects Christians and non-Christians alike from discrimination by business's

It is just as illegal for someone to deny you service because you happen to be wearing a "Jesus is King" t-shirt as it is illegal for you to deny service to someone who is wearing a "I support gay marriage" t-shirt.

 

[Silhouette]

This poll here is running at the same percentage of outrage as this one: Boy Drugged By Lesbian Parents To Be A Girl US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. And the boy being drugged by lesbians thread is running at 81.8% outrage at the APA for condoning the use of dogma as a "scientific" stance for public consumption..

 

[Syriusly]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

 

[Silhouette]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

CHURCHES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CONGREGATIONS IF INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIANS WHICH YOU IN FACT, ALONG WITH ALL YOUR OTHER LGBT LITIGIOUS-MILITIA NOT ONLY BELIEVE IN SUING BUT IN FACT ARE ACTIVELY DOING SO AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS..

 

[Syriusly]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

CHURCHES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CONGREGATIONS IF INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIANS WHICH YOU IN FACT, ALONG WITH ALL YOUR OTHER LGBT LITIGIOUS-MILITIA NOT ONLY BELIEVE IN SUING BUT IN FACT ARE ACTIVELY DOING SO AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS..

Churches are churches- they are tax exempt and exempt from public accomodation laws.
Businesses are not.

Nobody is suing churches to get married in them- just a boogey man raised by bigots to scare people.

 

[beagle9]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

CHURCHES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN CONGREGATIONS IF INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIANS WHICH YOU IN FACT, ALONG WITH ALL YOUR OTHER LGBT LITIGIOUS-MILITIA NOT ONLY BELIEVE IN SUING BUT IN FACT ARE ACTIVELY DOING SO AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS..

Churches are churches- they are tax exempt and exempt from public accomodation laws.
Businesses are not.

Nobody is suing churches to get married in them- just a boogey man raised by bigots to scare people.

OK, so what if the Churches are shrinking in the number of participants these days, and this maybe all due to the corruption that has hit that institution in which is no different than any other institution in the nation, and so the Christian individual begins operating outside of the confines of the Church walls or grounds lets say (i.e. taking his or her faith with them where ever they may go next), you see.

Now just because a Christian is Churchless for a second or two, does this mean that he or she can be preyed upon by another who would pick them apart or would take advantage of that sort of person who is going about as an individual in society ? A group may perceive the individual as having a weakness because of a person operating by no fault of their own as an individual in society. Don't individuals have the same rights as everyone else, and if not then please explain why that is for the audience to read in your response that you will give next.

I think rights are agreed upon by many when making the laws, but some laws didn't ever perceive in their makings the future of things that would soon come. It's a problem.

This is what the people need to periodically go back and do, which is to review the laws in order to shore them up (i.e. close the loop holes in them) or either just change them altogether in order to fix them. Right at this moment in time, we now have a group trying to take advantage of another group or of an individual Christian who is out there, and they are doing this because the laws didn't take into consideration the things that would soon come a knocking at the door in these ways, but it can be fixed.

Individuals who believe in the things that which this nation has believed in for centuries, shouldn't be having to defend themselves now from a group that is using the twisting of the laws in every way possible these days. They are doing this because the laws are vague in some areas in which didn't account for such abuses to take place against individuals in these ways when created, so the laws are running way behind the times IMHO, and it's a problem.

 

[2aguy]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

 

[Syriusly]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

 

[2aguy]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

 

[Syriusly]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

I will tell you that right now- in the real world- Churches have always discriminated and will always discriminate- they are exempt from public accommodation laws and are protected by the First Amendment.

The Mormons discriminated against African Americans until rather recently- no one tried to legally force them to change. The Catholic Church discriminates against women- no one is suing.

Just a boogeyman used by those trying to scare people about homosexuals.

 

[beagle9]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

He just did in his response, where as just read all his words about the church, he detest them all.

 

[Syriusly]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

He just did in his response, where as just read all his words about the church, he detest them all.

Who you speaking about Beagleboy?

If you are referring to me- you are either mistaken or lying.

 

[beagle9]

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

He just did in his response, where as just read all his words about the church, he detest them all.

Who you speaking about Beagleboy?

If you are referring to me- you are either mistaken or lying.

The way you talk about God on this thread, but I'm lying eh? Whose delusional now?

 

[Skylar]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

If churches were going to be forced to perform marriages they didn't want to, it would have happened after the 1967 ruling that overturned interracial marriage bans. It never happened. Nor was there any significant proposal even seeking it.

Its a boogeyman backed with nothing.

 

[2aguy]

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As of this date, this poll is 81.6% outraged that gay marriage would force itself upon the faithful. n..

Nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry- regardless of their race/religion or sexual orientation.

Oh yeah.....you don't live in the real world......they are not going to let churches get away with not submitting to their agenda......give it time...they are going to move on the churches eventually.....

LOL....in the real world- no one is trying to force churches to do anything.

Like I said- nobody believes that churches- should- would- or will be required to marry any persons that the church does not wish to marry.

The only ones promoting that boogeyman are the bigots who just are upset that homosexuals are no longer in the closet.

Tell me that 5 years from now.......

If churches were going to be forced to perform marriages they didn't want to, it would have happened after the 1967 ruling that overturned interracial marriage bans. It never happened. Nor was there any significant proposal even seeking it.

Its a boogeyman backed with nothing.

As we see in the bakers, pizza makers, florists, and photographers who are more than happy to provide their services to gays and all others, for every aspect of their business and for all events.......

Except for a gay wedding...that's it....that is the only thing they cannot do because of their religion....

And yet the gays will not simply go to another business........they must have that business that refuses that one event, that one baked good submit to what they want.....or they will burn their lives to the ground and salt the earth.....

Now you tell me.....people with that mind set.....they are just going to stand by while a church refuses to perform their wedding....even if there are hundreds of other places to get that wedding done....

You are delusional.......

The next front......abortion....the left, fresh off this victory is gathering it's forces to go after doctors and nurses who will not kill babies on demand.......