Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Syriusly]

It's Relativism... addled subjectivism which rejects reality and substitutes limitless falsity more in keeping with its own relative, personal 'needs'.

And while ignoring/subjegating the extinction of the rights of people to the exercise (.

Everyone still has the right to the free exercise of religion- just as long that free exercise doesn't intrude onto others people's freedoms.

 

[Syriusly]

ROFLMNAO! Have you READ the title of this thread? Wherein the OP is questioning the intent of The Advocacy to Normalize Sexual Abnormality's intent to force others to accept PROFOUND ABNORMALITY as NORMAL and to abuse public accommodation laws to do so?

They are DEMANDING THAT ABNORMAL REASONING BE RECOGNIZED AS NORMAL! The potential consequences of such being NOTHING BUT: DELETERIOUS.

The actual medical community does not share your view that homosexuality is abnormal.

So no specific harmful effects? Not one prediction?

Could it be that the medical community is fudging on the numbers just like the climate scientist have done also these days & times maybe? Hmm.

It is actually interesting, the reasoning to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder was entirely political and based on the lobbying. Rather than being based on evidence and scientific investigation.

Oh Youtube?
LOL

If you read the history of 'homosexuality as a mental disorder'- it was listed for 20 years- and that listing was never based upon evidence and scientific investigation.

What you complain about as being a flawed process for changing the designation was the very same flawed process that labeled homosexuality as a mental illness in the 1950's.

Meanwhile the consensus of the medical community is that homosexuality is not a mental illness. You disagree with them- but then again you think women should be second class citizens too.

This is the former President of the APA, and he knows more on the subject than you. I know you don't care what he has to say, because you are a dogmatic believer in egalitarianism and nothing would sway you.

That is the 'former' President of the APA- he certainly knows much more than I do- but not the rest of the mental health professionals that disagree with him.

I know you don't care what they have to say, because you are a homophobic bigot, and nothing would sway you.

 

[Skylar]

The actual medical community does not share your view that homosexuality is abnormal.

So no specific harmful effects? Not one prediction?

Could it be that the medical community is fudging on the numbers just like the climate scientist have done also these days & times maybe? Hmm.

It is actually interesting, the reasoning to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder was entirely political and based on the lobbying. Rather than being based on evidence and scientific investigation.

Oh Youtube?
LOL

If you read the history of 'homosexuality as a mental disorder'- it was listed for 20 years- and that listing was never based upon evidence and scientific investigation.

What you complain about as being a flawed process for changing the designation was the very same flawed process that labeled homosexuality as a mental illness in the 1950's.

Meanwhile the consensus of the medical community is that homosexuality is not a mental illness. You disagree with them- but then again you think women should be second class citizens too.

This is the former President of the APA, and he knows more on the subject than you. I know you don't care what he has to say, because you are a dogmatic believer in egalitarianism and nothing would sway you.

That is the 'former' President of the APA- he certainly knows much more than I do- but not the rest of the mental health professionals that disagree with him.

I know you don't care what they have to say, because you are a homophobic bigot, and nothing would sway you.

Isnt' that the same guy that still agrees that homosexuality isn't a mental illness?

Clearly the gay marriage opponents or homophobes don't put much credence or credibility in what the guy has to say when they disagree with him.

Either he's credible. Or he isn't. Its one or the other.

 

[Steinlight]

The actual medical community does not share your view that homosexuality is abnormal.

So no specific harmful effects? Not one prediction?

Could it be that the medical community is fudging on the numbers just like the climate scientist have done also these days & times maybe? Hmm.

It is actually interesting, the reasoning to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder was entirely political and based on the lobbying. Rather than being based on evidence and scientific investigation.

Oh Youtube?
LOL

If you read the history of 'homosexuality as a mental disorder'- it was listed for 20 years- and that listing was never based upon evidence and scientific investigation.

What you complain about as being a flawed process for changing the designation was the very same flawed process that labeled homosexuality as a mental illness in the 1950's.

Meanwhile the consensus of the medical community is that homosexuality is not a mental illness. You disagree with them- but then again you think women should be second class citizens too.

This is the former President of the APA, and he knows more on the subject than you. I know you don't care what he has to say, because you are a dogmatic believer in egalitarianism and nothing would sway you.

That is the 'former' President of the APA- he certainly knows much more than I do- but not the rest of the mental health professionals that disagree with him.

I know you don't care what they have to say, because you are a homophobic bigot, and nothing would sway you.

On what body of work do they suggest it isn't a mental illness? It has never been established, as the APA President said, it was a political decision, not based on scientific evidence.

 

[Silhouette]

On what body of work do they suggest it isn't a mental illness? It has never been established, as the APA President said, it was a political decision, not based on scientific evidence.

Yes, the decision to remove homosexuals from the DSM was political and not based on science.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

On what body of work do they suggest it isn't a mental illness? It has never been established, as the APA President said, it was a political decision, not based on scientific evidence.

Yes, the decision to remove homosexuals from the DSM was political and not based on science.

Had it not been for religion they wouldn't have been in there, and never should have been. Nothing more than human ignorance and fear, just like when epileptics were once thought to be cursed.

 

[Steinlight]

On what body of work do they suggest it isn't a mental illness? It has never been established, as the APA President said, it was a political decision, not based on scientific evidence.

Yes, the decision to remove homosexuals from the DSM was political and not based on science.

Correct.

Video for reference.

 

[Silhouette]

Here's how the "APA" does "science" today:

(Jim Jones would be proud of the small samples and audited findings..)

This lively and practical text presents a fresh and comprehensive approach to conducting consensual qualitative research (CQR). CQR is an inductive method that is characterized by open-ended interview questions, small samples, a reliance on words over numbers, the importance of context, an integration of multiple viewpoints, and consensus of the research team. It is especially well-suited to research that requires rich descriptions of inner experiences, attitudes, and convictions.

Written to help researchers navigate their way through qualitative techniques and methodology, leading expert Clara E. Hill and her associates provide readers with step-by-step practical guidance during each stage of the research process. Readers learn about adaptive ways of designing studies; collecting, coding, and analyzing data; and reporting findings.

Key aspects of the researcher's craft are addressed, such as establishing the research team, recruiting and interviewing participants, adhering to ethical standards, raising cultural awareness, auditing within case analyses and cross analyses, and writing up the study. Consensual Qualitative Research A Practical Resource for Investigating Social Science Phenomena

 

[Silhouette]

Jude 1 of the New Testament would say that any "researcher" at the APA who practiced this type of deceptive "science" to lull the public into a homosexual cultural takeover (dubbing the insane as "sane") would be burning in the pit of fire for eternity. It's giving a leg-up to that which must not replace a sane culture.

 

[Syriusly]

Could it be that the medical community is fudging on the numbers just like the climate scientist have done also these days & times maybe? Hmm.

It is actually interesting, the reasoning to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder was entirely political and based on the lobbying. Rather than being based on evidence and scientific investigation.

Oh Youtube?
LOL

If you read the history of 'homosexuality as a mental disorder'- it was listed for 20 years- and that listing was never based upon evidence and scientific investigation.

What you complain about as being a flawed process for changing the designation was the very same flawed process that labeled homosexuality as a mental illness in the 1950's.

Meanwhile the consensus of the medical community is that homosexuality is not a mental illness. You disagree with them- but then again you think women should be second class citizens too.

This is the former President of the APA, and he knows more on the subject than you. I know you don't care what he has to say, because you are a dogmatic believer in egalitarianism and nothing would sway you.

That is the 'former' President of the APA- he certainly knows much more than I do- but not the rest of the mental health professionals that disagree with him.

I know you don't care what they have to say, because you are a homophobic bigot, and nothing would sway you.

On what body of work do they suggest it isn't a mental illness? It has never been established, as the APA President said, it was a political decision, not based on scientific evidence.

On what body of work did they suggest it was a mental illness?

Inclusion of homosexuality as a mental illness was never based upon 'scientific evidence'.

 

[Syriusly]

Jude 1 of the New Testament .

Jude 1 doesnt' mention homosexuality or the APA.

You are delusional.

 

[Skylar]

Jude 1 of the New Testament .

Jude 1 doesnt' mention homosexuality or the APA.

You are delusional.

Its Jude 1 word salad at this point. I'm shocked he hasn't folded in kitchen sinks and global warming into Jude 1 for as much relevance as his claims have.

 

[Silhouette]

Without further ado, Jude 1 from the New Testament King James Bible: (parenthesis mine)

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Note: earnestly does not mean passively or not at all)

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Dictionary : Lascivious "inclined towards sexual lust)

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Sodom and Gomorrha could quite easily be San Francisco, CA and Hollywood, CA today respectively) ("going after strange flesh, like using another man's anus as an artificial vagina..)

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (GLAAD, Kevin Jennings, and a host of other well-placed LGBT militants)

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, (those who fail to earnestly contend for the common salvation.. #3.. are doomed as much as those who do nothing at all to stop this cultural coup)

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[Syriusly]

Without further ado, Jude 1 from the New Testament King James Bible: (parenthesis mine)

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Note: earnestly does not mean passively or not at all)

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Dictionary : Lascivious "inclined towards sexual lust)

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Sodom and Gomorrha could quite easily be San Francisco, CA and Hollywood, CA today respectively) ("going after strange flesh, like using another man's anus as an artificial vagina..)

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (GLAAD, Kevin Jennings, and a host of other well-placed LGBT militants)

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, (those who fail to earnestly contend for the common salvation.. #3.. are doomed as much as those who do nothing at all to stop this cultural coup)

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

 

[Skylar]

Without further ado, Jude 1 from the New Testament King James Bible: (parenthesis mine)

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Note: earnestly does not mean passively or not at all)

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Dictionary : Lascivious "inclined towards sexual lust)

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Sodom and Gomorrha could quite easily be San Francisco, CA and Hollywood, CA today respectively) ("going after strange flesh, like using another man's anus as an artificial vagina..)

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (GLAAD, Kevin Jennings, and a host of other well-placed LGBT militants)

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, (those who fail to earnestly contend for the common salvation.. #3.. are doomed as much as those who do nothing at all to stop this cultural coup)

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

And where is any prohibition against selling cake to gay people? Name the verse, because I didn't see it.

 

[Silhouette]

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

Oh, you want me to include Romans 1 for emphasis? OK..

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


In other words, that last bit #32 is a warning to those who fail to stop this cultural spread.

 

[Skylar]

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

Oh, you want me to include Romans 1 for emphasis? OK..

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


In other words, that last bit #32 is a warning to those who fail to stop this cultural spread.

Still no mention of selling cake to gays.

As I said, you're hallucinating the passages you claim to be citing.

 

[Syriusly]

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

Oh, you want me to include Romans 1 for emphasis? OK...

Oh I know what Romans says.

But Jude doesn't say anything about homosexuals- contrary to what you keep claiming.

 

[Syriusly]

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

Oh, you want me to include Romans 1 for emphasis? OK..

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.


24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


In other words, that last bit #32 is a warning to those who fail to stop this cultural spread.

So Romans says that male homosexuality is as bad as boasting.

Lots of folks are going to hell.

If you believe that stuff.

 

[beagle9]

Like I have said every time before- not one word in there about homosexuals.

Oh, you want me to include Romans 1 for emphasis? OK...

Oh I know what Romans says.

But Jude doesn't say anything about homosexuals- contrary to what you keep claiming.

It's called interpretation, and I know you can do it, I just know you can or can you?