CDZ Should Americans be allowed to own military sniper rifles and military door buster guns?

[Picaro]

A state can decide which cars are street legal. Many high performance cars are not

Same goes for guns

The OP question began "Should Americans be allowed to own...". A state's authority to ban certain cars and certain guns is not relevant to that question. I personally don't understand why Americans want to own ultra fast cars and ultra powerful guns but this is America. Own what you want but you are responsible.

Not really. Goober Gump's net worth, including his underwear and half a tube of Vaseline gel, is $24.45. He's drunk as usual on Saturday morning, after his 10 breakfast beers, and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage he bought through an ad in the back of Popular Mechanics. He didn't do it on purpose, he's a good ole boy and all that.

You think Good ole Goober's estate will cover the damage and revive the victims?

How did he pay for the 20KT warhead, which BTW is a tiny nuke?

With a loan from Eddie's Pawn Shop and Massage Parlor. His net worth was a lot higher before he sent off for the nuke.

It is so sad that you are such a troll and so damned stupid!

Oh now now you're just projecting again. Typical for those who know they can't make a case for their absurd and ridiculous spam re civilian weapons and what they can own. Join the other tards in being laughed at; you should be used to it by now.

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

In that case, I agree with the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founders were saying that Americans should be allowed to carry arms equivalent to what a foot soldier carries, because that reflects a well-regulated militia. imho.

Nah, the 'Founders' left it to the states to decide who were 'citizens' and the like, and the Feds just let them arrange the militias. The 'militia' thing soon proved to be a very inadequate arrangement, and they soon decided on a regular national Army and Navy under Federal command, and left the 'militia' circus to handle local issues, including gun control laws.

 

[Picaro]

...and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage...

Oppenheimer's law:
"As an online gun control discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving nuclear weapons approaches 1."
Corollary:
Anti-gun loons bring up nukes because they know they cannot otherwise argue the point before them.

I'm not an 'anti-gun loon',

^^^
This is a lie.

you're just mentally ill and realize many of the right wing's positions and their 'logic' are ridiculous,

You cannot demonstrate any of this to be true.

Well, that's because you do all that yourself, nobody else has to point out your ludicrous juvenile 'logic'.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The OP question began "Should Americans be allowed to own...". A state's authority to ban certain cars and certain guns is not relevant to that question. I personally don't understand why Americans want to own ultra fast cars and ultra powerful guns but this is America. Own what you want but you are responsible.

Not really. Goober Gump's net worth, including his underwear and half a tube of Vaseline gel, is $24.45. He's drunk as usual on Saturday morning, after his 10 breakfast beers, and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage he bought through an ad in the back of Popular Mechanics. He didn't do it on purpose, he's a good ole boy and all that.

You think Good ole Goober's estate will cover the damage and revive the victims?

How did he pay for the 20KT warhead, which BTW is a tiny nuke?

With a loan from Eddie's Pawn Shop and Massage Parlor. His net worth was a lot higher before he sent off for the nuke.

It is so sad that you are such a troll and so damned stupid!

Oh now now you're just projecting again. Typical for those who know they can't make a case for their absurd and ridiculous spam re civilian weapons and what they can own. Join the other tards in being laughed at; you should be used to it by now.

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

In that case, I agree with the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founders were saying that Americans should be allowed to carry arms equivalent to what a foot soldier carries, because that reflects a well-regulated militia. imho.

Nah, the 'Founders' left it to the states to decide who were 'citizens' and the like, and the Feds just let them arrange the militias. The 'militia' thing soon proved to be a very inadequate arrangement, and they soon decided on a regular national Army and Navy under Federal command, and left the 'militia' circus to handle local issues, including gun control laws.

You don't know much about American history nor the laws surrounding the Second Amendment.

 

[M14 Shooter]

...and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage...

Oppenheimer's law:
"As an online gun control discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving nuclear weapons approaches 1."
Corollary:
Anti-gun loons bring up nukes because they know they cannot otherwise argue the point before them.

I'm not an 'anti-gun loon',

^^^
This is a lie.

you're just mentally ill and realize many of the right wing's positions and their 'logic' are ridiculous,

You cannot demonstrate any of this to be true.

Well, that's because you do all that yourself, nobody else has to point out your ludicrous juvenile 'logic'.

Thank you for further demonstrating your inability to provide a sound argument to back your position.

 

[beautress]

The OP question began "Should Americans be allowed to own...". A state's authority to ban certain cars and certain guns is not relevant to that question. I personally don't understand why Americans want to own ultra fast cars and ultra powerful guns but this is America. Own what you want but you are responsible.

Not really. Goober Gump's net worth, including his underwear and half a tube of Vaseline gel, is $24.45. He's drunk as usual on Saturday morning, after his 10 breakfast beers, and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage he bought through an ad in the back of Popular Mechanics. He didn't do it on purpose, he's a good ole boy and all that.

You think Good ole Goober's estate will cover the damage and revive the victims?

How did he pay for the 20KT warhead, which BTW is a tiny nuke?

With a loan from Eddie's Pawn Shop and Massage Parlor. His net worth was a lot higher before he sent off for the nuke.

It is so sad that you are such a troll and so damned stupid!

Oh now now you're just projecting again. Typical for those who know they can't make a case for their absurd and ridiculous spam re civilian weapons and what they can own. Join the other tards in being laughed at; you should be used to it by now.

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

In that case, I agree with the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founders were saying that Americans should be allowed to carry arms equivalent to what a foot soldier carries, because that reflects a well-regulated militia. imho.

Nah, the 'Founders' left it to the states to decide who were 'citizens' and the like, and the Feds just let them arrange the militias. The 'militia' thing soon proved to be a very inadequate arrangement, and they soon decided on a regular national Army and Navy under Federal command, and left the 'militia' circus to handle local issues, including gun control laws.

It's okay that the founders elected to fix an error. The good thing about the founders is they saw the problem, admitted it was a problem, then went about the national duty of fixing the problem. There was no going into somebody's basement or barn where nobody could see, plan a false narrative, and then beat up the public with their final decision. And they did it in such a way they were actually nice to each other.

 

[sartre play]

Most hunters & sportsmen have respect for guns, consider them tools to be cared for. hunt with only others who have the same safety concerns.
there are always exceptions but believe this is true no matter what kind of weapon they obtain.
What I want to talk about is this ever growing breed of GUN NUTS. Who think guns are cool, a power trip, an equalizer, & require no rules for there use.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What I want to talk about is this ever growing breed of GUN NUTS. Who think guns are cool, a power trip, an equalizer, & require no rules for there use.

This adds up to about 6 of the 100,000,000 or so gun owners in the US.
What about them?

 

[2aguy]

Most hunters & sportsmen have respect for guns, consider them tools to be cared for. hunt with only others who have the same safety concerns.
there are always exceptions but believe this is true no matter what kind of weapon they obtain.
What I want to talk about is this ever growing breed of GUN NUTS. Who think guns are cool, a power trip, an equalizer, & require no rules for there use.

There isn't a growing breed of gun nuts. There is a growing breed of people who make up scary images of gun owners in their own heads, and then, based on that imagination, want to ban and confiscate guns....

The reality of gun ownership in America?

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

 

[sartre play]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

 

[2aguy]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

Accidental gun deaths.....in a country of over 320 million people with over 600 million guns in private hands.......

For reference? Cars killed...38,659 in 2017....

So...going by the CDC number, you are not factually correct.

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html

2017....486
2016 495
2015...489

2014.....461

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

2017 accidental gun death.....486

Guns....486

Cars....38,659

Poison...64,795
Fall (Gravity) ...36,338
Suffocation...6,946
Fire....2,902
Struck, by or against...819
Bicycle...345

 

[2aguy]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

The problem with what you want? Any attempt to require training before owning and/or carrying a gun allows the government, to jack up the fees and testing requirements to the point that normal people will never be able to meet them.....because they can't afford the time, the money or going through the red tape.....you allow them to ban guns through bureaucracy.....this is exactly how they do it in Europe for the few models of bird hunting shotguns they allow people to own.

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

And considering how small the accidental death rate from gun ownership is, you wouldn't have the justification anyway.......

The way to increase gun safety? Cut the fees on using guns and for training with guns......sponsor ad campaigns encouraging people to go to the range and get training and practice......but, you will notice....that isn't what your way would achieve.....your way would make fewer people competent around guns......

 

[2aguy]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

And according to the FBI, gun murder went down in 2018, so your facts are wrong even in deliberate, illegal use of guns....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2018...

Gun.....

2018........10,265 ...

2017...11,006....

2016, 10,372

Rifle......297 ( 2017... 403)

And the problem with gun murder in 2016 and 2017 wasn't gun ownership by normal people...the problem was the democrat party and President obama targeting police and creating the Ferguson effect. And then you have the direct link between democrat party policies that allow repeat gun offenders out of jail over and over again.

If you actually look at the cities with the most gun violence, it is due to the policies of the democrat party....not normal people who own guns for self defense, sport and hunting.

If you want to reduce gun murder....you need to lock up violent, known, gun offenders when you actually catch them.....and stop releasing them in a revolving door....

 

[M14 Shooter]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968....

Because of the increase of the number of suicides, which increases with population size.

gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased.

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

[sartre play]

Free or low cost gun training, great IDEA, works for me, young men under age 25 with their brain not fully up to critical thinking levels, should be the !st to be encouraged to get training for the safety of the public.

 

[2aguy]

Free or low cost gun training, great IDEA, works for me, young men under age 25 with their brain not fully up to critical thinking levels, should be the !st to be encouraged to get training for the safety of the public.

And yet....again.....gun deaths are not up.....accidental gun deaths are not up and criminals aren't going to go through any training since they can't buy, own or carry guns in the first place...

So what is your issue with this non problem?

 

[Picaro]

Not really. Goober Gump's net worth, including his underwear and half a tube of Vaseline gel, is $24.45. He's drunk as usual on Saturday morning, after his 10 breakfast beers, and accidentally sets off his military surplus 20kton warhead in his garage he bought through an ad in the back of Popular Mechanics. He didn't do it on purpose, he's a good ole boy and all that.

You think Good ole Goober's estate will cover the damage and revive the victims?

How did he pay for the 20KT warhead, which BTW is a tiny nuke?

With a loan from Eddie's Pawn Shop and Massage Parlor. His net worth was a lot higher before he sent off for the nuke.

It is so sad that you are such a troll and so damned stupid!

Oh now now you're just projecting again. Typical for those who know they can't make a case for their absurd and ridiculous spam re civilian weapons and what they can own. Join the other tards in being laughed at; you should be used to it by now.

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

In that case, I agree with the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founders were saying that Americans should be allowed to carry arms equivalent to what a foot soldier carries, because that reflects a well-regulated militia. imho.

Nah, the 'Founders' left it to the states to decide who were 'citizens' and the like, and the Feds just let them arrange the militias. The 'militia' thing soon proved to be a very inadequate arrangement, and they soon decided on a regular national Army and Navy under Federal command, and left the 'militia' circus to handle local issues, including gun control laws.

You don't know much about American history nor the laws surrounding the Second Amendment.

Obviously I know much more than you do about them. Your rambling nonsense is just rubbish. Even the libertarians, the educated ones anyway, have no problem admitting the history of gun control in the U.S. doesn't remotely fit your stupid narratives.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How did he pay for the 20KT warhead, which BTW is a tiny nuke?

With a loan from Eddie's Pawn Shop and Massage Parlor. His net worth was a lot higher before he sent off for the nuke.

It is so sad that you are such a troll and so damned stupid!

Oh now now you're just projecting again. Typical for those who know they can't make a case for their absurd and ridiculous spam re civilian weapons and what they can own. Join the other tards in being laughed at; you should be used to it by now.

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

In that case, I agree with the Second Amendment, which reads, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founders were saying that Americans should be allowed to carry arms equivalent to what a foot soldier carries, because that reflects a well-regulated militia. imho.

Nah, the 'Founders' left it to the states to decide who were 'citizens' and the like, and the Feds just let them arrange the militias. The 'militia' thing soon proved to be a very inadequate arrangement, and they soon decided on a regular national Army and Navy under Federal command, and left the 'militia' circus to handle local issues, including gun control laws.

You don't know much about American history nor the laws surrounding the Second Amendment.

Obviously I know much more than you do about them. Your rambling nonsense is just rubbish. Even the libertarians, the educated ones anyway, have no problem admitting the history of gun control in the U.S. doesn't remotely fit your stupid narratives.

"My" stupid narratives??? I have not posted my views on gun control here. Would you like me to just to see who disagrees?

 

[Picaro]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

The problem with what you want? Any attempt to require training before owning and/or carrying a gun allows the government, to jack up the fees and testing requirements to the point that normal people will never be able to meet them.....because they can't afford the time, the money or going through the red tape.....you allow them to ban guns through bureaucracy.....this is exactly how they do it in Europe for the few models of bird hunting shotguns they allow people to own.

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

And considering how small the accidental death rate from gun ownership is, you wouldn't have the justification anyway.......

The way to increase gun safety? Cut the fees on using guns and for training with guns......sponsor ad campaigns encouraging people to go to the range and get training and practice......but, you will notice....that isn't what your way would achieve.....your way would make fewer people competent around guns......

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

lol and those are exactly who most of the 'Founders' thought were the only 'qualified' citizens who should be allowed to vote and determine who and what 'everybody else' could own, within their own states. Yours and your fellow cranks here cognitive dissonance on original intent and trying to carry that to some logical extreme in the modern era is what makes your obsession with military hardware a mental illness. Your cult is just as loony and deranged as the left's is in the other direction. The day is just never going to come when you can just go to your local Walmart or convenience store and buy a mortar and shells or a land mine, no matter what rubbish you post on innernutz message boards to make each other feel 'Speshul N Stuff'..

 

[Porter Rockwell]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

The problem with what you want? Any attempt to require training before owning and/or carrying a gun allows the government, to jack up the fees and testing requirements to the point that normal people will never be able to meet them.....because they can't afford the time, the money or going through the red tape.....you allow them to ban guns through bureaucracy.....this is exactly how they do it in Europe for the few models of bird hunting shotguns they allow people to own.

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

And considering how small the accidental death rate from gun ownership is, you wouldn't have the justification anyway.......

The way to increase gun safety? Cut the fees on using guns and for training with guns......sponsor ad campaigns encouraging people to go to the range and get training and practice......but, you will notice....that isn't what your way would achieve.....your way would make fewer people competent around guns......

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

lol and those are exactly who most of the 'Founders' thought were the only 'qualified' citizens who should be allowed to vote and determine who and what 'everybody else' could own, within their own states. Yours and your fellow cranks here cognitive dissonance on original intent and trying to carry that to some logical extreme in the modern era is what makes your obsession with military hardware a mental illness. Your cult is just as loony and deranged as the left's is in the other direction. The day is just never going to come when you can just go to your local Walmart or convenience store and buy a mortar and shells or a land mine, no matter what rubbish you post on innernutz message boards to make each other feel 'Speshul N Stuff'..

What you just said makes no sense in English.

 

[2aguy]

In 2017 gun deaths reached their highest since 1968, gun deaths have gone both up & down over the years. but senseless deaths by unexperienced gun users has increased. way more than the 6 stated by M14.
Maybe some anti gun person can show some of the many incidences, as I am pro gun,& anti untrained gun nut.

The problem with what you want? Any attempt to require training before owning and/or carrying a gun allows the government, to jack up the fees and testing requirements to the point that normal people will never be able to meet them.....because they can't afford the time, the money or going through the red tape.....you allow them to ban guns through bureaucracy.....this is exactly how they do it in Europe for the few models of bird hunting shotguns they allow people to own.

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

And considering how small the accidental death rate from gun ownership is, you wouldn't have the justification anyway.......

The way to increase gun safety? Cut the fees on using guns and for training with guns......sponsor ad campaigns encouraging people to go to the range and get training and practice......but, you will notice....that isn't what your way would achieve.....your way would make fewer people competent around guns......

The regulations are so extreme only the rich and the politically connected can get those licenses and permits.

lol and those are exactly who most of the 'Founders' thought were the only 'qualified' citizens who should be allowed to vote and determine who and what 'everybody else' could own, within their own states. Yours and your fellow cranks here cognitive dissonance on original intent and trying to carry that to some logical extreme in the modern era is what makes your obsession with military hardware a mental illness. Your cult is just as loony and deranged as the left's is in the other direction. The day is just never going to come when you can just go to your local Walmart or convenience store and buy a mortar and shells or a land mine, no matter what rubbish you post on innernutz message boards to make each other feel 'Speshul N Stuff'..

No.....the Founders realized that those without money could vote to take the money from other people.......that is why they originally had property qualifications for voting.....

What military hardware?

Do you understand that the AR-15 rifle is not a military weapon? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that even if it was...the Miller ruling from the Supreme Court specifically protects military weapons?

Do you understand that the 5 shot, pump action shotgun is an actual military weapon....? So according to what you are implying, the pump action shotgun is actual military hardware? Do you understand that?

Do you understand that the bolt action deer hunting rifle is an actual piece of military hardware? Do you understand that? The only weapon that isn't ....is the AR-15 rifle......