Short Answers Against Gun Control

[Smokin' OP]

In every case except private party to private party sales a Federal Government background check is a legal requirement. If a private party sells more than a very few, and two sales can trigger a licensing requirement combined with other circumstances, he must possess a federal dealers certificate and comply with all federal laws and regulations which are both complex and burdensome.

Hmmm.
You don't say?
Really?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hmmm.
You don't say?
Really?

Yes. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Nope there are many roadworthy motor vehicles, mostly trucks, that are never registered. They are farm trucks and are mostly used off road, but can legally be driven on road when going from one farming location to another (at least in California)

Implements of Husbandry (CVC §§36000 and 36005)—A vehicle which is used exclusively in the conduct of agricultural operations.

Vehicles that are designed primarily for transportation of persons or property on a highway are not implements of husbandry unless they are specifically designated as such by other provisions of the California Vehicle Code.

A motor vehicle specifically designed for, and used exclusively in, an agricultural operation for purposes of carrying, or returning empty from carrying, silage and is operated by a farmer, an employee of the farmer, or a contracted employee of the farmer between one part of a farm to another part of that farm or from one farm to another farm, on a highway for a distance not to exceed 20 miles from the point of origin of the trip. This does not include a vehicle that is used for transportation of silage for retail sales. For purposes of this definition, “silage” includes field corn, sorghum, grass, legumes, cereals or cereal mixes, either green or mature, converted into feed for livestock (CVC §36101(i)).

Farm vehicles shall not be operated on the highway:

• Laden for more than two miles from the point of origin.
• Unladen for more than 30 miles from the point of origin.
• Unladen for more than 15 miles from the point of origin, unless accompanied by an escort vehicle to the front and rear.

 

[2aguy]

WOW, long guns?
In Canada?
No one hunts with long guns, in CANADA, they use AK"s and AR"s.
You fucking retard.
Less than 3% of people in Canada are injured or die because of guns in CANADA.

In 2020, consistent with historical trends, violent Criminal Code offences accounted for about one in every five crimes that came to the attention of police. Firearm-related violent crime typically represents less than 3% of police-reported violent crime in Canada; nevertheless, it has a significant emotional and physical impact on victims, families and communities. Additionally, rates of firearm-related violence have seen a general increase over the past several years.

Dipshit…..you are intentionally ignoring the part where the registration of just long guns was a total failure and on top of that, registration had no use in solving crimes….you idiot

 

[M14 Shooter]

NO, shit.
I stated that earlier.
Rittenhouse DROVE or was driven, across state lines to the weapon that was stored in Wisconsin.

Look at you, lying again:
You said:
Rittenhouse was 17 years old, took the weapon across state lines.

 

[Blues Man]

Not without the same letter, stating a reason.
Same with a gun, except the police show up, in person.

.

And it can be any reason the state wants it to be because driving on publicly owned roads in a privilege not a right.

And again to dent a person a constitutionally protected right requires due process. Red Flag laws are a clear violation of the Constitution and when a case gets to the Supreme Court that will be confirmed.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Dipshit…..you are intentionally ignoring the part where the registration of just long guns was a total failure and on top of that, registration had no use in solving crimes….you idiot

Who gives a fuck about long guns?
Canadians hunt with them.
No one cares a bout a regular hunting rifle.
Except morons who can't shoot, needing an AR or AK with 500 rounds to just to wound a rabbit.
Canada classified them as non-restricted.

Canada had a gun registry during the Second World War, when all people were compelled to register their firearms out of fear of enemy subversion. This registry in Canada was discontinued after the war; however, all handguns (restricted) have been subject to registration since 1934.
In addition, fully automatic firearms have been prohibited (with grandfathering exemptions to existing, licensed collectors of full-automatic weapons and theatrical users) since 1977. A Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) was required to purchase any firearm since its implementation in 1977, although additional restrictions applied for handguns (restricted - 1934) and fully automatic firearms (prohibited −1977).

"registration had no use in solving crimes"…

ONE person's opinion in ONE province.

Former Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino opposed the gun registry, stating in a press release in 2003:

"We have an ongoing gun crisis including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States. The firearms registry is long on philosophy and short on practical results considering the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives."

 

[Smokin' OP]

Look at you, lying again:
You said:
Rittenhouse was 17 years old, took the weapon across state lines.

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That's what was initially reported.
I corrected that, after reading another article from a later date.

 

[toobfreak]

Short Answers Against Gun Control​

How about: "Stick 'em up?"

Is that too short?

 

[Smokin' OP]

And it can be any reason the state wants it to be because driving on publicly owned roads in a privilege not a right.

You're FOS.
Police can't take your license and revoke your privilege to drive for running a stop sign, for the first time, not resulting in an accident, injury or death.

And again to dent a person a constitutionally protected right requires due process.

People have "due process", that's why there are court systems.

Red Flag laws are a clear violation of the Constitution

No, they aren't.
A man that shoots a gun towards his wife during a domestic dispute, should be able to retain the weapon.

and when a case gets to the Supreme Court that will be confirmed.

No, it won't.

 

[toobfreak]

Police can't take your license and revoke your privilege to drive for running a stop sign, for the first time

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

People have "due process", that's why there are court systems.

You have the right to get railroaded while paying out the ass for it.

A man that shoots a gun towards his wife during a domestic dispute, should be able to retain the weapon.

Then a rich Hollywood liberal too stupid to check a gun on a set then point it straight at another person and squeeze the trigger ought to be put away for life.

 

[2aguy]

Who gives a fuck about long guns?
Canadians hunt with them.
No one cares a bout a regular hunting rifle.
Except morons who can't shoot, needing an AR or AK with 500 rounds to just to wound a rabbit.
Canada classified them as non-restricted.

Canada had a gun registry during the Second World War, when all people were compelled to register their firearms out of fear of enemy subversion. This registry in Canada was discontinued after the war; however, all handguns (restricted) have been subject to registration since 1934.
In addition, fully automatic firearms have been prohibited (with grandfathering exemptions to existing, licensed collectors of full-automatic weapons and theatrical users) since 1977. A Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) was required to purchase any firearm since its implementation in 1977, although additional restrictions applied for handguns (restricted - 1934) and fully automatic firearms (prohibited −1977).

"registration had no use in solving crimes"…

ONE person's opinion in ONE province.

Former Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino opposed the gun registry, stating in a press release in 2003:

"We have an ongoing gun crisis including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States. The firearms registry is long on philosophy and short on practical results considering the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives."

Moron….
you missed the point…..they had a tiny number of long guns to register and they completely failed doing it…you idiot……on top of that….they didn’t solve crimes registering guns….you clod.

 

[Smokin' OP]

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE


You have the right to get railroaded while paying out the ass for it.

Sure, Q-NUT.
If it's a cut a dry case, a !st year law student could defend it.

Then a rich Hollywood liberal too stupid to check a gun on a set then point it straight at another person and squeeze the trigger ought to be put away for life.

Sure, Q-NUT, Rittenhouse, a RWNJ, checked his weapon, to make sure it had shells in it, kills two people and wounds, a third person, should be able to have all the weapons, he wants.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Moron….
you missed the point…..they had a tiny number of long guns to register and they completely failed doing it…you idiot……on top of that….they didn’t solve crimes registering guns….you clod.

You're FOS, Q-NUT.
"Tiny" number of hunters................IN CANADA?
You're delusional.

"they didn’t solve crimes registering guns….you clod'.
Yeah, that's why they stopped the entire registration process an repealed the law..........NOT.
RETARD.

 

[2aguy]

You're FOS, Q-NUT.
"Tiny" number of hunters................IN CANADA?
You're delusional.

"they didn’t solve crimes registering guns….you clod'.
Yeah, that's why they stopped the entire registration process an repealed the law..........NOT.
RETARD.

The number of long guns in Canada that needed to be registered is tiny compared to the 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S…..and Canada couldn’t even get that done, you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Sure, Q-NUT.
If it's a cut a dry case, a !st year law student could defend it.

Sure, Q-NUT, Rittenhouse, a RWNJ, checked his weapon, to make sure it had shells in it, kills two people and wounds, a third person, should be able to have all the weapons, he wants.

He was violently attacked by 3 democrat party brown shirts….2 convicted felons and one a serial child rapist…..and you mourn them…….of course you do.

 

[Smokin' OP]

The number of long guns in Canada that needed to be registered is tiny

• $8.5 Billion. Spending on hunting and sporting shooting in Canada each year.
• Over 20 Million. Guns owned by individuals for protection, hunting, recreation, competition, collecting, predator control, and other beneficial uses.

Recent estimates indicate that 26 percent of Canadian households own at least one firearm.
Ninety-five percent of firearm-owning households in Canada possess long guns and less than 12 percent own handguns.

compared to the 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S…..and Canada couldn’t even get that done, you idiot.

Again, with the long guns you moron?
What about the rest of the guns, they got those registered, because they caused the most harm, NOT long guns, but you ignore that, dumbass.

 

[Smokin' OP]

He was violently attacked by 3 democrat party brown shirts….2 convicted felons and one a serial child rapist…..and you mourn them…….of course you do.

Rittenhouse is a gun nut who went to Kenosha to start trouble.
Just like these wannabe "Rambo's".

 

[2aguy]

Rittenhouse is a gun nut who went to Kenosha to start trouble.
Just like these wannabe "Rambo's".

He was the one who was attacked, you dope...by 3 democrat party brown shirts....2 of them felons...one of them a serial child rapist..but you keep defending the child rapist.......

 

[2aguy]

• $8.5 Billion. Spending on hunting and sporting shooting in Canada each year.
• Over 20 Million. Guns owned by individuals for protection, hunting, recreation, competition, collecting, predator control, and other beneficial uses.

Recent estimates indicate that 26 percent of Canadian households own at least one firearm.
Ninety-five percent of firearm-owning households in Canada possess long guns and less than 12 percent own handguns.

Again, with the long guns you moron?
What about the rest of the guns, they got those registered, because they caused the most harm, NOT long guns, but you ignore that, dumbass.

Dipshit.......

They tried to register 15 million long guns.........as opposed to the just 20 million AR-15 rifles all by themselves here in the U.S.....on top of the total 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....

and they couldn't do it.........

Canada Tried Registering Long Guns -- And Gave Up

The law passed and starting in 1998 Canadians were required to have a license to own firearms and register their weapons with the government. According to Canadian researcher (and gun enthusiast) Gary Mauser, the Canada Firearms Center quickly rose to 600 employees and the cost of the effort climbed past $600 million. In 2002 Canada’s auditor general released a report saying initial cost estimates of $2 million (Canadian) had increased to $1 billion as the government tried to register the estimated 15 million guns owned by Canada’s 34 million residents.

The registry was plagued with complications like duplicate serial numbers and millions of incomplete records, Mauser reports. One person managed to register a soldering gun, demonstrating the lack of precise standards. And overshadowing the effort was the suspicion of misplaced effort: Pistols were used in 66% of gun homicides in 2011, yet they represent about 6% of the guns in Canada. Legal long guns were used in 11% of killings that year, according to Statistics Canada, while illegal weapons like sawed-off shotguns and machine guns, which by definition cannot be registered, were used in another 12%.

So the government was spending the bulk of its money — about $17 million of the Firearms Center’s $82 million annual budget — trying to register long guns when the statistics showed they weren’t the problem.

There was also the question of how registering guns was supposed to reduce crime and suicide in the first place. From 1997 to 2005, only 13% of the guns used in homicides were registered. Police studies in Canada estimated that 2-16% of guns used in crimes were stolen from legal owners and thus potentially in the registry. The bulk of the guns, Canadian officials concluded, were unregistered weapons imported illegally from the U.S. by criminal gangs.

Finally in 2011, conservatives led by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper voted to abolish the long-gun registry and destroy all its records. Liberals argued the law had contributed to the decline in gun homicides since it was passed.

But Mauser notes that gun homicides have actually been rising in recent years, from 151 in 1999 to 173 in 2009, as violent criminal gangs use guns in their drug turf wars and other disputes.


As in the U.S., most gun homicides in Canada are committed by young males, many of them with criminal records. In the majority of homicides involving young males, the victim and the killer are know each other.