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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
 

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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
He is obviously waiting for his crib notes to arrive in the post.
 
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
Actually, research shows that armed citizens help to lower the violent crime rate....

Besides that, as you have been shown over and over again...as More Americans own and carry guns, the gun crime rate did not go up.......the gun murder rate did not go up....so there is no causation between normal people owning guns and it causing gun crime to increase....so you have no argument on that point......

And at the same time.....Europe, after they banned guns, murdered 12 million men, women and children.....you guys always forget that little bit of truth...
 

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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
Actually, research shows that armed citizens help to lower the violent crime rate....

Besides that, as you have been shown over and over again...as More Americans own and carry guns, the gun crime rate did not go up.......the gun murder rate did not go up....so there is no causation between normal people owning guns and it causing gun crime to increase....so you have no argument on that point......

And at the same time.....Europe, after they banned guns, murdered 12 million men, women and children.....you guys always forget that little bit of truth...
What's more important? What someone tells you? Or the real life actions? It is as simple as it gets. The United States has more guns than any country in the world, owning over 1/3rd of ALL guns in the world. Yet despite the argument you want to make that says the more guns there are, the less crime and gun deaths, the United States leads ALL developed wealthy countries in the world in gun deaths. The craziest thing is despite the fact people show you those numbers and stats over and over, you continue to push for the solution that MORE guns will solve the issue.

Hey that person is dying of rat poison! Well give them some more rat poison, that should sure them!
 
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
Actually, research shows that armed citizens help to lower the violent crime rate....

Besides that, as you have been shown over and over again...as More Americans own and carry guns, the gun crime rate did not go up.......the gun murder rate did not go up....so there is no causation between normal people owning guns and it causing gun crime to increase....so you have no argument on that point......

And at the same time.....Europe, after they banned guns, murdered 12 million men, women and children.....you guys always forget that little bit of truth...
What's more important? What someone tells you? Or the real life actions? It is as simple as it gets. The United States has more guns than any country in the world, owning over 1/3rd of ALL guns in the world. Yet despite the argument you want to make that says the more guns there are, the less crime and gun deaths, the United States leads ALL developed wealthy countries in the world in gun deaths. The craziest thing is despite the fact people show you those numbers and stats over and over, you continue to push for the solution that MORE guns will solve the issue.

Hey that person is dying of rat poison! Well give them some more rat poison, that should sure them!
You blame guns....but as I keep showing you, as more Americans own and carry guns the gun crime rate went down 75%....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....that shows that your theory is completely wrong...........according to your theory the exact opposite should have happened..

What you don't want to face is the fact that it isn't access to guns by normal people that drives our gun crime rate in tiney areas of democrat party controlled cities......where 90% of our gun crime stats come from......but the policies of the democrat party that cause our gun crime rate....the fact that they release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...

It isn't guns, it is the democrat party that drives our gun crime rate.....you don't want to admit that, so you blame guns.
 

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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
Actually, research shows that armed citizens help to lower the violent crime rate....

Besides that, as you have been shown over and over again...as More Americans own and carry guns, the gun crime rate did not go up.......the gun murder rate did not go up....so there is no causation between normal people owning guns and it causing gun crime to increase....so you have no argument on that point......

And at the same time.....Europe, after they banned guns, murdered 12 million men, women and children.....you guys always forget that little bit of truth...
What's more important? What someone tells you? Or the real life actions? It is as simple as it gets. The United States has more guns than any country in the world, owning over 1/3rd of ALL guns in the world. Yet despite the argument you want to make that says the more guns there are, the less crime and gun deaths, the United States leads ALL developed wealthy countries in the world in gun deaths. The craziest thing is despite the fact people show you those numbers and stats over and over, you continue to push for the solution that MORE guns will solve the issue.

Hey that person is dying of rat poison! Well give them some more rat poison, that should sure them!
You blame guns....but as I keep showing you, as more Americans own and carry guns the gun crime rate went down 75%....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....that shows that your theory is completely wrong...........according to your theory the exact opposite should have happened..

What you don't want to face is the fact that it isn't access to guns by normal people that drives our gun crime rate in tiney areas of democrat party controlled cities......where 90% of our gun crime stats come from......but the policies of the democrat party that cause our gun crime rate....the fact that they release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...

It isn't guns, it is the democrat party that drives our gun crime rate.....you don't want to admit that, so you blame guns.
Other countries have people that also illegally own guns, yet they don't have the same rates as the U.S. You can't argue the most simple concept.
 
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
Oh so what you are saying is, despite the fact the U.S. ALREADY has more guns than any other country in the world, and have the highest rate of gun crime, it will all be fixed by adding more guns. Do you understand just how silly that sounds?
Actually, research shows that armed citizens help to lower the violent crime rate....

Besides that, as you have been shown over and over again...as More Americans own and carry guns, the gun crime rate did not go up.......the gun murder rate did not go up....so there is no causation between normal people owning guns and it causing gun crime to increase....so you have no argument on that point......

And at the same time.....Europe, after they banned guns, murdered 12 million men, women and children.....you guys always forget that little bit of truth...
What's more important? What someone tells you? Or the real life actions? It is as simple as it gets. The United States has more guns than any country in the world, owning over 1/3rd of ALL guns in the world. Yet despite the argument you want to make that says the more guns there are, the less crime and gun deaths, the United States leads ALL developed wealthy countries in the world in gun deaths. The craziest thing is despite the fact people show you those numbers and stats over and over, you continue to push for the solution that MORE guns will solve the issue.

Hey that person is dying of rat poison! Well give them some more rat poison, that should sure them!
You blame guns....but as I keep showing you, as more Americans own and carry guns the gun crime rate went down 75%....the gun murder rate went down 49%.....that shows that your theory is completely wrong...........according to your theory the exact opposite should have happened..

What you don't want to face is the fact that it isn't access to guns by normal people that drives our gun crime rate in tiney areas of democrat party controlled cities......where 90% of our gun crime stats come from......but the policies of the democrat party that cause our gun crime rate....the fact that they release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...

It isn't guns, it is the democrat party that drives our gun crime rate.....you don't want to admit that, so you blame guns.
Other countries have people that also illegally own guns, yet they don't have the same rates as the U.S. You can't argue the most simple concept.

Yes......and you prove my point....thank you. It isn't guns that are the issue.....it is the culture and values of the criminal that determines how those guns are used. Thank you for confirming my point.

Iceland has lots and lots of guns.....and almost zero gun crime.

The French and Swedish criminals have fully automatic military rifles, AK-47s which is their preferred crime gun, as well as grenades in Sweden, and yet they don't kill that many people even though they have fully automatic weapons.........they simply do not make the choice to murder each other or innocent people...

We have lots of guns but we have a political party, the democrat party, that keeps releasing violent gun criminals....who terrorize tiny areas made up of several blocks, in democrat party controlled cities...they are the ones who drive our gun crime rate....while 18.6 million other law abiding Americans with their legal guns don't shoot anyone......
 

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Does not sound like they have gun control or that it is effective. It certainly does not sound as if the shooter used my personal definition of gun control (or the rules for gun safety as in your earlier post) or he would not have shot the 12 year old girl. Tragic, but of no political value.
You're missing the point. There is no such thing as gun control that is effective - well, except for the gun control that teaches one to hit what they're aiming for instead of innocent bystanders.
 

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?
I think you missed the point.
Removing guns from a peaceful population doesn't end gun violence.
If anything...it increases it....because criminals are the only people armed.
12 year old girls usually end up being the victim in any society where armed criminals are roaming the streets.
45 vs 40,000.

Gun control works.

Get over it.
45vs45000 what?
 

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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?
 
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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
 

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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
Have there been any shootings in the US over the last month ?
 

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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
Have there been any shootings in the US over the last month ?
61 in August so far, last time I looked. Or did you mean July?
 

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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
Have there been any shootings in the US over the last month ?
61 in August so far, last time I looked. Or did you mean July?
Is that just the police killing citizens or are you including the wider population ?
 
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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
Have there been any shootings in the US over the last month ?

Of course...our democrat party keeps letting repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison, they are the ones doing our shooting over here......don't worry, your idiot politicians are going to do the same in your country soon too....
 

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Swedish shootings seem to have dried up for the past few weeks. How has that happened ?

That's easy....and something you just don't understand....Swedish gangs and criminals did not decide to use their illegal guns to shoot people. When they decide to shoot at each other, they will use their illegal guns no matter what gun control they have in Sweden.

This is why focusing on normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting never effects the gun crime rate.....and you just don't understand that.
Have there been any shootings in the US over the last month ?

Of course...our democrat party keeps letting repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison, they are the ones doing our shooting over here......don't worry, your idiot politicians are going to do the same in your country soon too....
I dont believe you. There may be an element in that but the cases I see are situations that get settled amicably in the civilised world. A parking dispute need not end with a body count. But it will if angry people have guns.
 

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I get it, you've worked hard to build the impression that gun control doesn't work.
Some people have strong opinions about who should be allowed to have guns and who should not.
You are wrong, and simply hate guns....that makes your opinions of no use in the discusson.
No. People don't hate guns. People hate other people. They have guns, and they don't want the people they hate to have guns.
 

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Some people have strong opinions about who should be allowed to have guns and who should not.
I firmly believe most of these nutty conspiracy theorists shouldn't be allowed firearms. They might go shoot up another pizza place.
 
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Some people have strong opinions about who should be allowed to have guns and who should not.
I firmly believe most of these nutty conspiracy theorists shouldn't be allowed firearms. They might go shoot up another pizza place.

Meanwhile, joe biden voters in the United States have been burning, looting, beating, and murdering people for the last 5 months in democrat party controlled cities....what you need to do is to tell joe biden supporters to stop the racism, violence and hate...since the majority of the burning, looting, beating and murdering are happening in black neighborhoods in democrat party controlled neighborhoods and cities.
 

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