Shootings in Sweden.....

[Crepitus]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

You're failing to answer a perfectly relevant question because if you do it will destroy the lie you are trying to build here.

I get it, you've worked hard to build the impression that gun control doesn't work. You don't want to list anything that runs contrary to your false narrative.

Just admit it and move on.

 

[Propofol]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

more black people in the USA

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

It isn't a relevant question since criminals are easily getting actual...Fully automatic military rifles and grenades......whether they use them to commit murder isn't the point...the point is that gun control laws that rule in the entire Continent of Europe and the entire country of Sweden do not keep fully automatic military rifles and grenades out of the hands of common street criminals...criminals with criminal records that make the even more incapable of owning normal guns let alone fully automatic military rifles and grenades which are completely illegal in Sweden and the entire continent...


If you want to talk why American criminals murder each other in larger numbers than criminals in Sweden do, that is another debate...but has nothing to do with access to guns.......again.....since Common Swedish street thugs have unlimited access to fully automatic military rifles and grenades.

It's very relevant. You don't want to answer it because if you do your false narrative falls apart.

No.....you think, wrongly, that the number has to do with access to weapons.......and this is wrong as my post on the Pew research shows...as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down, not up...our gun murder rate went down, not up....

Meanwhile....Swedish gangs have unlimited access to fully automatic military rifles and grenades and kill fewer of each other than American gangs do...

This shows that it isn't the number or type of weapon that drives murder numbers...it is the culture and criminal values of the gangs who commit the murder that matters...

You are wrong, and simply hate guns....that makes your opinions of no use in the discusson.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

You're failing to answer a perfectly relevant question because if you do it will destroy the lie you are trying to build here.

I get it, you've worked hard to build the impression that gun control doesn't work. You don't want to list anything that runs contrary to your false narrative.

Just admit it and move on.

If Swedish gangs have unlimited access to not only completely illegal fully automatic military weapons and grenades....how is that showing gun control works?

 

[Crepitus]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Answer the question, boy.

 

[Crepitus]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Their criminals also like to throw grenades at each other......they should probably make a law against throwing grenades at people...don't you think?

Stop avoiding the question.

How many shooting deaths there?

Not avoiding the question...the question you are asking is irrelevant to whether their gun control laws work......

You can't explain how their gun control laws work since their criminals have access to fully automatic military rifles and grenades...which are their favorite weapons...on a continent that bans them in a country that bans them.....

https://www.thelocal.se/20200203/explosions-interview-police-stefan-hector-sweden

Why are there so many explosions in Sweden?

"We've seen, over the last couple of years, that the amount of explosions in Sweden have risen to a level not seen anywhere else in Europe. The reasons, or underlying cause, are criminals clashing.

"They range from conflicts of a rational character, like market shares for the illegal narcotics trade, or more personal, such as provocations or insults, old conflicts with causes long-forgotten. Nevertheless, the explosions are an expression of clashes between criminal elements.

"These criminal elements are in large part comprised of street gangs from 'vulnerable areas' in the suburbs but also what we sometimes refer to as 'biker gangs'. There is, however, a lot of overlap between these two groups so as a whole this is about conflicts between different criminal networks."
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How do your colleagues abroad view this development in Sweden?

"They are astonished. The prevailing picture of Sweden is that it is a calm and stable country and these expressions of violence, which are without equal, at least in Europe, is a surprise to our neighbouring countries.

"We have ongoing collaboration with many of the European countries, especially with the Nordic countries, and no one has the same kind of problems which is why this is a perplexing and possibly even frightening issue. But they are actively seeking more knowledge and are discussing these issues with us in order to share experiences and trying to understand this phenomenon."

You talked about seizures of other weapons, beside explosives. Recently a Bosnian man in the US got sentenced to prison for smuggling weapon parts to, among others, Swedish neo-nazis. How common are criminal international networks when it comes to Swedish gunrunning?

"From what I've seen, one of the most common guns in criminal clashes in Sweden is the AK 47,

and they aren't manufactured here. Which means that it needs to be
smuggled into the country, so in that sense international players are contributing to shootings in Sweden. These kinds of guns usually come from the Balkans, as they have a surplus of weapons from past decades of conflict."

Are those the kind of weapons you usually seize or are, for example, Swedish hunting weapons also confiscated?

"No. Swedish hunting rifles are extremely rare in these kinds of contexts, it's usually assault rifles such as the AK 47, pistols or submachine guns. It is very, very rare that we see hunting weapons as a part of our work with Operation Hoarfrost."

No, it isn't. It's a completely relevant question that has a direct relationship to the point you are trying to make.

Now stop this dishonest dodging and answer the question.

How many gun related.deaths in Sweden this year?

Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?

American gangs are composed of teenagers from broken homes....since the 1960s I think this has been the reason they have become more violent and more willing to kill each other.....

The criminal gangs in Sweden come from a small, homogenous people in the past, and violence wasn't part of their culture or experience. This has changed since they began to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries into Sweden....they are more willing to shoot each other and to use illegal, fully automatic military rifles and grenades against each other......and the violence will get worse as the Swedish police fail to be able to control these gangs.

There...I answered the question......

Stop dodging the question, boy.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Answer the question, boy.

I answered it....you don't want the actual answer, you simply hate guns.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

You're failing to answer a perfectly relevant question because if you do it will destroy the lie you are trying to build here.

I get it, you've worked hard to build the impression that gun control doesn't work. You don't want to list anything that runs contrary to your false narrative.

Just admit it and move on.

My answer...the correct answer...again...

Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?

American gangs are composed of teenagers from broken homes....since the 1960s I think this has been the reason they have become more violent and more willing to kill each other.....

The criminal gangs in Sweden come from a small, homogenous people in the past, and violence wasn't part of their culture or experience. This has changed since they began to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries into Sweden....they are more willing to shoot each other and to use illegal, fully automatic military rifles and grenades against each other......and the violence will get worse as the Swedish police fail to be able to control these gangs.

There...I answered the question......

 

[Crepitus]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Answer the question, boy.

I answered it....you don't want the actual answer, you simply hate guns.

Stop lying. You're dodging the question.

In case you forgot I've asked "how many total gun deaths in e this year?"

You've refused to answer the question because it will dismantled the false narrative you are trying to build.

At least try to be honest about it.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Answer the question, boy.

I answered it....you don't want the actual answer, you simply hate guns.

Stop lying. You're dodging the question.

In case you forgot I've asked "how many total gun deaths in e this year?"

You've refused to answer the question because it will dismantled the false narrative you are trying to build.

At least try to be honest about it.

Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?

American gangs are composed of teenagers from broken homes....since the 1960s I think this has been the reason they have become more violent and more willing to kill each other.....

The criminal gangs in Sweden come from a small, homogenous people in the past, and violence wasn't part of their culture or experience. This has changed since they began to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries into Sweden....they are more willing to shoot each other and to use illegal, fully automatic military rifles and grenades against each other......and the violence will get worse as the Swedish police fail to be able to control these gangs.

There...I answered the question......

 

[Crepitus]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

You're failing to answer a perfectly relevant question because if you do it will destroy the lie you are trying to build here.

I get it, you've worked hard to build the impression that gun control doesn't work. You don't want to list anything that runs contrary to your false narrative.

Just admit it and move on.

My answer...the correct answer...again...

Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?

American gangs are composed of teenagers from broken homes....since the 1960s I think this has been the reason they have become more violent and more willing to kill each other.....

The criminal gangs in Sweden come from a small, homogenous people in the past, and violence wasn't part of their culture or experience. This has changed since they began to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries into Sweden....they are more willing to shoot each other and to use illegal, fully automatic military rifles and grenades against each other......and the violence will get worse as the Swedish police fail to be able to control these gangs.

There...I answered the question......

More avoidance.

You're a liar and a coward.

Have a nice day.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Answer the question, boy.

I answered it....you don't want the actual answer, you simply hate guns.

Stop lying. You're dodging the question.

In case you forgot I've asked "how many total gun deaths in e this year?"

You've refused to answer the question because it will dismantled the false narrative you are trying to build.

At least try to be honest about it.

I am not dodging anything, you are asking an irrelevant question that doesn't go to the actual problem.....or issue....

Here...the actual answer..

Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?

American gangs are composed of teenagers from broken homes....since the 1960s I think this has been the reason they have become more violent and more willing to kill each other.....

The criminal gangs in Sweden come from a small, homogenous people in the past, and violence wasn't part of their culture or experience. This has changed since they began to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries into Sweden....they are more willing to shoot each other and to use illegal, fully automatic military rifles and grenades against each other......and the violence will get worse as the Swedish police fail to be able to control these gangs.

There...I answered the question......

 

[Lewdog]

Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.

 

[Crepitus]

Just for shits and giggles I looked it up.

In 2019, the latest figures available, 45 people died of gunshot wounds in Sweden.

That's about 12 hours worth of shooting deaths in the US.

Or about 0.1% of the yearly total in the US.

Oh look, gun control works.

 

[2aguy]

Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.

They have lots and lots of guns in Iceland, you doofus...

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
-----

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.
--------------
Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.

----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland?

Violent crime is rare in Iceland. Andrew Clark investigates the mystery behind this peaceful nation.

www.bbc.com

And again...if they imported violent males from 3rd world countries, they too would have increasing gun crime....they are a tiny, homogenous population with lots of guns, who don't use those guns to commit crime or murder....why? Because it is not part of their culture or society to use guns for crime and murder........

It isn't guns and access to guns.....since Americans over the last 27 years bought more guns and over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and our gun crime rate did not go up...it went down, which means you have no point since your point is wrong........our gun murder rate went down 49%, not up....our gun crime rate went down 75%, not up.......

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

Just for shits and giggles I looked it up.

In 2019, the latest figures available, 45 people died of gunshot wounds in Sweden.

That's about 12 hours worth of shooting deaths in the US.

Or about 0.1% of the yearly total in the US.

Oh look, gun control works.

Again........ criminal gangs in Sweden use fully automatic military rifles and grenades....which are banned in Europe, and they are banned in Sweden......they are the weapon of choice for Swedish gangs.........

So your point doesn't hold up to even basic scrutiny.....

 

[2aguy]

Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.

They have lots and lots of guns..........but their criminals aren't violent....that is the key.....

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
-----

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.
--------------
Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.

----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.
There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland?

Violent crime is rare in Iceland. Andrew Clark investigates the mystery behind this peaceful nation.

www.bbc.com

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

Wrong....as Iceland shows.....they have lots of guns....their criminals, what few they have, do not use them to kill each other...

Now you answer this question...

How do you explain the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns, over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense, our gun crime rate went down 75% ..it did not go up. Our gun murder rate went down 49%.....it did not go up...

That basic fact shows that your premise is completely destroyed with that easy fact.......

 

[2aguy]

A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.

According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.

Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.

Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Sweden vows to tackle gang-related crimes following death of 12-year-old girl - Xinhua | English.news.cn

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.

How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.

Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.

Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

Swedish criminals choose fully automatic military weapons and grenades....are you just not reading that fact......? That means that these fully automatic military rifles and grenades.......which are completely illegal in Europe and completely illegal in Sweden....are not stopped by their gun control laws.......

What part of that isn't sinking into your brain?