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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.
How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.
Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.
Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

Let me explain it this way...

The U.S. and Europe both have easy access to booze. In fact, in Europe, they allow their children to drink earlier than we allow our kids to drink here.....

Who has the bigger alcoholism problem? In most cases it is the U.S......it isn't access to alcohol that causes the problem, it is how the culture uses alcohol.

Dittos prescription drugs.....

We have more drug addiction here than in Europe...they have drugs there, but less addiction......it isn't access, it is the culture around the drugs that is the issue...

Dittos guns...and criminals......
 

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.
How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.
Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.
Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

Wrong....as Iceland shows.....they have lots of guns....their criminals, what few they have, do not use them to kill each other...

Now you answer this question...

How do you explain the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns, over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense, our gun crime rate went down 75% ..it did not go up. Our gun murder rate went down 49%.....it did not go up...

That basic fact shows that your premise is completely destroyed with that easy fact.......
OK, so you've answered your own question. Murder rates are down. Therefore, American gangs killing each other with weapons is largely a figment of people's overactive imagination. It isn't happening.
 

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Just for shits and giggles I looked it up.

In 2019, the latest figures available, 45 people died of gunshot wounds in Sweden.

That's about 12 hours worth of shooting deaths in the US.

Or about 0.1% of the yearly total in the US.

Oh look, gun control works.

Again........ criminal gangs in Sweden use fully automatic military rifles and grenades....which are banned in Europe, and they are banned in Sweden......they are the weapon of choice for Swedish gangs.........

So your point doesn't hold up to even basic scrutiny.....
Bullshit. 0.1%.

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

Tragic, but HIGHLY preventable. Cultural diversity isn't working out like the Swedes planned. What dumbsh*ts.
 

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?
I think you missed the point.
Removing guns from a peaceful population doesn't end gun violence.
If anything...it increases it....because criminals are the only people armed.
12 year old girls usually end up being the victim in any society where armed criminals are roaming the streets.
Introduce illegal drugs and a massive influx of outsiders to any society and it begins to break down.
 

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?
I think you missed the point.
Removing guns from a peaceful population doesn't end gun violence.
If anything...it increases it....because criminals are the only people armed.
12 year old girls usually end up being the victim in any society where armed criminals are roaming the streets.
45 vs 40,000.

Gun control works.

Get over it.
 
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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Too many considering they have gun control.
How many?

Not relevant.......their criminals have fully automatic military rifles and grenades that they use to murder each other.......the argument isn't the number...since the criminals decide what that number is going to be....the argument you make is that gun control laws stop them from killing people...which we see here it doesn't

Since......again.......their criminals Have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Use Grenades......which means their gun control laws are not working..........

Nothing stops them from getting these weapons..which means if they were to decide to walk into a school, a mall, a church, a mosque, or a theater, nothing would stop them since they already have Fully Automatic Military Rifles and Grenades.
Fully relevant to the point you are trying to make.

Stop avoiding the question.

How many gun deaths in Sweden this year?

When you ask an actual question that is relevant I will answer it...

Here....I will help you...

Why do American gangs murder more members of other criminal gangs than the gangs in Sweden do.....?

That is the question you need to ask.
Because of the proliferation of weapons. They are readily available in this country..and plentiful.

Wrong......we know this is wrong because as more Americans went out, bought guns and then actually carried them, our gun murder rate went down 49%, it did not go up......our gun crime rate went down 75%, it did not go up...

Since gun crime went down as more Americans own and carry guns......not up....you are completely and utterly wrong.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.
What does this cherry picked screed have to do with why gang members kill with guns? You asked the question. "Why do American gangs murder each other in greater numbers than Swedish gangs do?". That is your answer. Guns are available, guns are prevalent. Unlike in Sweden, which has strict gun control laws.

Wrong....as Iceland shows.....they have lots of guns....their criminals, what few they have, do not use them to kill each other...

Now you answer this question...

How do you explain the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns, over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense, our gun crime rate went down 75% ..it did not go up. Our gun murder rate went down 49%.....it did not go up...

That basic fact shows that your premise is completely destroyed with that easy fact.......
OK, so you've answered your own question. Murder rates are down. Therefore, American gangs killing each other with weapons is largely a figment of people's overactive imagination. It isn't happening.

Didn't say that....gangs are still killing each other in tiny, several block areas of democrat party controlled cities...but over all, our gun murder and crime rates went down over 27 years as more Americans own and carry guns...showing that it isn't access to guns driving the crime and murder rate.
 
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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?
I think you missed the point.
Removing guns from a peaceful population doesn't end gun violence.
If anything...it increases it....because criminals are the only people armed.
12 year old girls usually end up being the victim in any society where armed criminals are roaming the streets.
45 vs 40,000.

Gun control works.

Get over it.
45 vs 40,000.

And you are the liar....

It isn't 40,000 that isn't even an accurately made up number....

According to the FBi we had a gun murder number of 10,265 in 2018 the last year we have of official numbers.

We had 24,432 gun suicides......which do not count since access to guns does not increase the suicide rates...as we know since Japan, and China have almost absolute gun control....only criminals and police have guns.....and their suicide rates are higher than ours....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)


Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.


 

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Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.
They have lots and lots of guns in Iceland, you doofus...

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
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The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.

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Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.


----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.


According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.




And again...if they imported violent males from 3rd world countries, they too would have increasing gun crime....they are a tiny, homogenous population with lots of guns, who don't use those guns to commit crime or murder....why? Because it is not part of their culture or society to use guns for crime and murder........

It isn't guns and access to guns.....since Americans over the last 27 years bought more guns and over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and our gun crime rate did not go up...it went down, which means you have no point since your point is wrong........our gun murder rate went down 49%, not up....our gun crime rate went down 75%, not up.......

You don't know what you are talking about.
Number of guns has NOTHING to do with my statement about their gun laws. Go read more than just numbers... like how it is MANDATORY to take several hours of courses to be allowed to buy a gun.

And by the way, there has been ONE PERSON shot and killed by the police in the history of Iceland and their police force. ONE PERSON.
 
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Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.
They have lots and lots of guns in Iceland, you doofus...

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
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The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.

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Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.


----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.


According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.




And again...if they imported violent males from 3rd world countries, they too would have increasing gun crime....they are a tiny, homogenous population with lots of guns, who don't use those guns to commit crime or murder....why? Because it is not part of their culture or society to use guns for crime and murder........

It isn't guns and access to guns.....since Americans over the last 27 years bought more guns and over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and our gun crime rate did not go up...it went down, which means you have no point since your point is wrong........our gun murder rate went down 49%, not up....our gun crime rate went down 75%, not up.......

You don't know what you are talking about.
Number of guns has NOTHING to do with my statement about their gun laws. Go read more than just numbers... like how it is MANDATORY to take several hours of courses to be allowed to buy a gun.

And by the way, there has been ONE PERSON shot and killed by the police in the history of Iceland and their police force. ONE PERSON.
The criminals can't take several hours of courses to be allowed to own a gun....they can't own any guns....but their preferred gun, the gun they are using to shoot each other is the completely illegal AK-47, and hand grenades.......you can't own them anywhere on the continent no matter how many hours of classes you take...

And......what does several hours of classes do to an individual planning on a crime or mass public shooting? They get the gun......they can do the crime.

Do you not see how dumb your point of view actually is?
 
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Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.
They have lots and lots of guns in Iceland, you doofus...

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
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The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.

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Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.


----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.


According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.




And again...if they imported violent males from 3rd world countries, they too would have increasing gun crime....they are a tiny, homogenous population with lots of guns, who don't use those guns to commit crime or murder....why? Because it is not part of their culture or society to use guns for crime and murder........

It isn't guns and access to guns.....since Americans over the last 27 years bought more guns and over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and our gun crime rate did not go up...it went down, which means you have no point since your point is wrong........our gun murder rate went down 49%, not up....our gun crime rate went down 75%, not up.......

You don't know what you are talking about.
Number of guns has NOTHING to do with my statement about their gun laws. Go read more than just numbers... like how it is MANDATORY to take several hours of courses to be allowed to buy a gun.

And by the way, there has been ONE PERSON shot and killed by the police in the history of Iceland and their police force. ONE PERSON.
Yep...they have lots of guns in Iceland but almost zero gun crime.....guns in the hands of normal people do not create gun crime or gun murder...thanks for agreeing with me.
 

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Iceland has gun control laws and you know how many people that have shot and killed cops there? Do you know how many people in the entire history of the country and their police have shot and killed someone? Take a wild guess.
They have lots and lots of guns in Iceland, you doofus...

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.
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The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership.

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Violent crime was virtually non-existent. People seemed relaxed about their safety and that of their children to the point where parents left their babies outside and unattended.


----First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

-----In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.


According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.




And again...if they imported violent males from 3rd world countries, they too would have increasing gun crime....they are a tiny, homogenous population with lots of guns, who don't use those guns to commit crime or murder....why? Because it is not part of their culture or society to use guns for crime and murder........

It isn't guns and access to guns.....since Americans over the last 27 years bought more guns and over 18.6 million Americans now carry guns for self defense....and our gun crime rate did not go up...it went down, which means you have no point since your point is wrong........our gun murder rate went down 49%, not up....our gun crime rate went down 75%, not up.......

You don't know what you are talking about.
Number of guns has NOTHING to do with my statement about their gun laws. Go read more than just numbers... like how it is MANDATORY to take several hours of courses to be allowed to buy a gun.

And by the way, there has been ONE PERSON shot and killed by the police in the history of Iceland and their police force. ONE PERSON.
The criminals can't take several hours of courses to be allowed to own a gun....they can't own any guns....but their preferred gun, the gun they are using to shoot each other is the completely illegal AK-47, and hand grenades.......you can't own them anywhere on the continent no matter how many hours of classes you take...

And......what does several hours of classes do to an individual planning on a crime or mass public shooting? They get the gun......they can do the crime.

Do you not see how dumb your point of view actually is?
Red Herring. Just like usual, you can't stick to the topic. Now go create new threads for every single shooting around the world... Anyone that spend THAT much time searching the internet every day to find shootings has some issues. That is obsessive-compulsive disorder to the point of being very unhealthy.

And by the way, cutting and pasting everything off a page to flood the argument with lots of irrelevant information to mask your lack of a valid argument isn't fooling anyone.
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
 

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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world.
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Its not fucking complicated is it ?
 
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.

The rest of the world? You mean Europe, where you people murdered 12 million men, women and children, not to mention your two world wars? Or Russia, where they murdered 25 million innocent men, women or children? Or China...70 million deead...

You have a serious lack of historical understanding.....
 
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These clownish talking points are trotted out every week in an effort to explain that the American killing fields are so much safer than the civilised world. Usually he makes a bigger effort than on this thread.

Which is safer Sweden or any city in the US ? No prizes on this one.
Yeah, it is pretty simple. If someone is going to argue that more guns in a country will make that country safer, their argument doesn't hold water when the country with the largest number of guns (U.S.) has the most gun crimes in the world. View attachment 372713
Except as we had more guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.......our gun crime rate went up 75%...so my argument is just fine......and as more criminals in Britain and the rest of Europe are using guns to protect drug turf, you argument falls apart...

Again...the preferred weapon of not only Swedish criminals but also French criminals is the fully automatic military rifle, the AK-47............which is completely illegal in Europe as well as completely illegal in France and Sweden...but they get them easily.........so no, gun control doesn't work, and no, murder isn't the measure of gun control working or not working.....
 

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A 12 year old girl was caught in the crossfire of rival gangs in Sweden...you know, Europe, where they have gun control....

STOCKHOLM, Aug. 4 (Xinhua) -- Sweden's Minister for Home Affairs Mikael Damberg vowed on Tuesday to tackle gang-related crimes following the recent tragic death of a 12-year-old girl.

"We must gather strength against this. We are expanding the police with more employees and new tools. But if we do not stop the new recruitment of young people into the criminal environment, the harsh measures will not play such a big role," Damberg was quoted by Swedish Television (SVT) as saying.

A 12-year-old girl was killed on Sunday after being hit by a stray bullet in a gang shooting at a petrol station car park in Norsborg, south of the country's capital Stockholm.


According to SVT, the shooting was part of an escalating conflict between gangs fighting over local drug markets.

"It's terribly tragic. You feel a great anger towards the criminal gangs who show no empathy because their shootings affect others. There are no words to describe the grief that it means for parents to lose their child in this way," said Damberg.

"The police are now making great efforts in the murder hunt. They are using all available resources to convict the perpetrators of this act," he added, calling on witnesses to contact the police.


Norsborg stands out as one of the country's most gang-ravaged areas, Manne Gerell, associate professor of criminology at Malmo University, told SVT. Gerell added that there are active criminal networks in Norsborg, with police issuing three warnings about shootings in the past 14 days alone.


Despite Swedish police tightening surveillance and toughening sentences for drugs and weapons-related crimes recently, bombings, shootings and gang-related crimes in Sweden have not decreased.

So, how many gun deaths does that give them for the year?

Their criminals also like to throw grenades at each other......they should probably make a law against throwing grenades at people...don't you think?
why---just sue the grenade maker---DUH...isnt that how it works? blame the other guy even though youre the idiot that used it wrong
 

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