Sexist pig Kasich advises personal responsibility

[MaryL]

Abandoning your personal responsibility is a big sin in my book. Men that couldn't keep the one eyed trouser snake in their shorts because of alcohol or power, that is Ok, though. Abusing someone and taking advantage of a weakness, that is not manly, it is weak and just pathetic.

What?

What do you mean, WHAT?

I mean WHAT by WHAT. You made no sense.

I gathered that.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Predators are a fact of life.....if you dont tell your daughter that you've done her a disservice.....and no amount of happy talk is going to change that....

 

[bripat9643]

How is it possible to not know rape is a crime....come on

Statutory rape: I'm working with a young guy right now who is 24. When he was 19, he had sex with a 15 year old girl that he thought was 17. She wasn't. He was charged with statutory rape and did 3 years in prison.

He's also now a sex offender...for the next 30 years.

Affirmative consent: Men need to be very clear that the women is actively consenting to sexual contact. If a woman is drunk or under the influence of drugs, and he has sex with her, he could be charged with rape because she had diminished capacity to consent to sex. It happens all the time. One of my boys who was charged with rape was charged with rape because he had sex with a girl who'd passed out from drinking.

Snapchats & sexting: If you send and receive photos of minor girls, that is child pornography and can be a federal felony, even if you don't know the girl is underaged.

Do you think the average 16 year old boy knows this stuff?

The reality that a man can be charged with rape simply because the woman is under the influence just shows how fucked this country and our system of injustice has become. If I rob a liquor store when I'm druck does that mean I'm not guilty?

One thing young men don't realize is that they have a target on their back, and douche bags like you are the ones who put it there.

 

[bripat9643]

Good luck with that ....

Thanks. I actually work on that issue very hard now because 3 of the young men I've worked with over the past 3 years have raped people. And it occurred to me that some of them didn't realize that what they were doing was a crime, so education might be helpful to them. I think that every young man we educate is potentially one less rapist, and can also disseminate the information we provide to their peers.

I appreciate your sincere support.

And in the meantime, college women should protect themselves by avoiding dangerous situations.

Pretty straightforward.

Why should we put the onus of self-protection entirely on women for a crime that is committed primarily by men?

Riddle me that, batman?

It basically absolves men of the responsibility to persuade or stop other men from raping.

Is that your intention?

Yoing men should avoid dangerous situations such as drunken parties in which they are risk of becoming a victim too.

Telling women to avoid drunken parties absolve men of the responsibility to stop rapes that they witness? Uh ... not in my universe.

However, most rapists do their thing when there aren't cogent witnesses. Such as in nearby bedrooms durung drunken parties.

Your assumption is that all rapes occur because women are drinking at parties.

That is not the case.

This girl was raped outside of a library: In the aftermath of an attack, Bloomingdale library rape victim finds her angels

This one at a bus stop: Woman brutally beaten, sexually assaulted near United Center

This one in her dorm room: Woman Raped at SF State Dorms

This one in a dorm room by a guy she'd dated for 2 weeks: Vanderbilt player found guilty of rape in retrial

This one in her dorm room: Student: Man entered her Boston University dorm, raped her

See, your position is that rape only happens to women because of something women do.

But actually, RAPE HAPPENS TO WOMEN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING MEN DO.

That's what most women would like men like you to understand. We don't cause rape because we have a beer.

No, that isn't his position. That's a dumbass take on what he said.

 

[Davros]

Good luck with that ....

Thanks. I actually work on that issue very hard now because 3 of the young men I've worked with over the past 3 years have raped people. And it occurred to me that some of them didn't realize that what they were doing was a crime, so education might be helpful to them. I think that every young man we educate is potentially one less rapist, and can also disseminate the information we provide to their peers.

I appreciate your sincere support.

And in the meantime, college women should protect themselves by avoiding dangerous situations.

Pretty straightforward.

Why should we put the onus of self-protection entirely on women for a crime that is committed primarily by men?

Riddle me that, batman?

It basically absolves men of the responsibility to persuade or stop other men from raping.

Is that your intention?

Yoing men should avoid dangerous situations such as drunken parties in which they are risk of becoming a victim too.

Telling women to avoid drunken parties absolve men of the responsibility to stop rapes that they witness? Uh ... not in my universe.

However, most rapists do their thing when there aren't cogent witnesses. Such as in nearby bedrooms durung drunken parties.

Your assumption is that all rapes occur because women are drinking at parties.

That is not the case.

This girl was raped outside of a library: In the aftermath of an attack, Bloomingdale library rape victim finds her angels

This one at a bus stop: Woman brutally beaten, sexually assaulted near United Center

This one in her dorm room: Woman Raped at SF State Dorms

This one in a dorm room by a guy she'd dated for 2 weeks: Vanderbilt player found guilty of rape in retrial

This one in her dorm room: Student: Man entered her Boston University dorm, raped her

See, your position is that rape only happens to women because of something women do.

But actually, RAPE HAPPENS TO WOMEN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING MEN DO.

That's what most women would like men like you to understand. We don't cause rape because we have a beer.

Yes, those are horrible crimes. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. In all but one case, it was a single individual acting alone in seclusuon, not something other men could have prevented.

Women and men need to be vigilant about crime. Young people feel invincible, but there are some bad dudes and there are bad women out there too who commit violent crimes. College can be a time when naivete is brutally shattered. It is horrible, but it cannot be entirely prevented. So young men and women should be trained to be vigilant and protect themselves ...

Don't enter a stranger's dorm rooom while looking for a party
Don't go out alone in the dark
Don't leave your dorm room unlocked while sleeping

There are bad people out there. Not all that many, but enough that no place is truly safe, and some places are much less safe than others. Individuals need to be aware of this.

 

[pillars]

What do you mean by hold each other accountable?

What do you think I mean? I've been pretty clear in this thread.

Friends don't let friends rape women.

 

[pillars]

No, that isn't his position. That's a dumbass take on what he said.

Really. In his remarks, where did he mention that RAPE IS SOMETHING THAT MEN DO?

 

[pillars]

Yes, those are horrible crimes. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. In all but one case, it was a single individual acting alone in seclusuon, not something other men could have prevented.

But, there is a cultural element to rape. There is far more rape in the U.S. for instance, than in Japan or Europe.

So, we cannot decrease rape in this society without trying to shift the culture of men.

My son told me that he talks to his friends all the time about stuff we've talked about...he's intervened several times when a guy was going to take advantage of a drunk girl. He's talked to them about statutory rape and being picky about the conditions under which they have sex.

That actually is a big part of the solution, in my opinion.

I don't want you to think I am some kind of rabid man-hater. Part of the reasons that my son and I have had these conversations is that when he was 15, a girl persuaded him to come to her house when her mom was gone, and then had sex with him.

He told me it creeped him out so he stopped talking to her. Then she pretended to be pregnant and started telling people that he raped her. It caused a lot of drama, and took a while to untangle.

So it is something we both feel strongly about...educating young men about this stuff.

 

[thereisnospoon]

You know, drunk women don't rape themselves.

It appears the obvious escapes you.

Wow..Just wow.
So it's ok to walk through a high crime area with money hanging out of your pockets because...wait for it.....You have the right to go wherever you want?

 

[pillars]

You know, drunk women don't rape themselves.

It appears the obvious escapes you.

Wow..Just wow.
So it's ok to walk through a high crime area with money hanging out of your pockets because...wait for it.....You have the right to go wherever you want?

strawman, for the win.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It’s called blaming the victim, a hateful and ignorant response common to most on the right.

The ‘remedy’ for sexual assault is not for women to hide themselves away like cloistered nuns (a moronic idea that likely appeals to many conservatives).

That is not what it says at all. Any intelligent person knows that it is prudent to safeguard ones self by steering clear of hazards.
is it right for a person to jump into a bath tub after placing a blow dryer into the water?
Any opposition to the basic premise of personal responsibility is liberal clap trap.....

 

[thereisnospoon]

You know, drunk women don't rape themselves.

It appears the obvious escapes you.

Wow..Just wow.
So it's ok to walk through a high crime area with money hanging out of your pockets because...wait for it.....You have the right to go wherever you want?

strawman, for the win.

Please point out the "straw man"

 

[Kondor3]

John Kasich: 'Don't go to parties where there's a lot of alcohol' - CNNPolitics.com

What an asshole! How dare you give advice to a young woman not to place herself under greater risk of sexual assault. How dare you advise her to avoid parties with lots of alcohol. What the hell do you know. You're only the father of teenaged girls, not some know it all lesbo feminist from the DNC. Learn to have compassion for young women!

The guy is right.

Consciously put yourself into a position of risk, and you take your chances.

Common sense.

Another LibTard failing.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Is a woman more or less likely to be raped if she hangs around young drunk men at 2 in the morning? Simple question and has nothing to do with becoming a nun.

She is only more likely to be raped if the young drunk men are CON$ervoFascists.

Another drivel post from ed the vapid

 

[Davros]

What do you mean by hold each other accountable?

What do you think I mean? I've been pretty clear in this thread.

Friends don't let friends rape women.

True, they don't. But that won't stop most rapes because they are done with no witnesses present.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, those are horrible crimes. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. In all but one case, it was a single individual acting alone in seclusuon, not something other men could have prevented.

But, there is a cultural element to rape. There is far more rape in the U.S. for instance, than in Japan or Europe.

So, we cannot decrease rape in this society without trying to shift the culture of men.

My son told me that he talks to his friends all the time about stuff we've talked about...he's intervened several times when a guy was going to take advantage of a drunk girl. He's talked to them about statutory rape and being picky about the conditions under which they have sex.

That actually is a big part of the solution, in my opinion.

I don't want you to think I am some kind of rabid man-hater. Part of the reasons that my son and I have had these conversations is that when he was 15, a girl persuaded him to come to her house when her mom was gone, and then had sex with him.

He told me it creeped him out so he stopped talking to her. Then she pretended to be pregnant and started telling people that he raped her. It caused a lot of drama, and took a while to untangle.

So it is something we both feel strongly about...educating young men about this stuff.

Cultural rape?...By any chance are you a Gloria Allred disciple?

 

[Davros]

No, that isn't his position. That's a dumbass take on what he said.

Really. In his remarks, where did he mention that RAPE IS SOMETHING THAT MEN DO?

How would saying that make the questioner feel more secure?

 

[Silhouette]

John Kasich: 'Don't go to parties where there's a lot of alcohol' - CNNPolitics.com

What an asshole! How dare you give advice to a young woman not to place herself under greater risk of sexual assault. How dare you advise her to avoid parties with lots of alcohol. What the hell do you know. You're only the father of teenaged girls, not some know it all lesbo feminist from the DNC. Learn to have compassion for young women!

Kasich isn't big on drinking or drugs in general. But yeah, got the sarcasm. Good job.

 

[Davros]

Yes, those are horrible crimes. The perpetrators should be brought to justice. In all but one case, it was a single individual acting alone in seclusuon, not something other men could have prevented.

But, there is a cultural element to rape. There is far more rape in the U.S. for instance, than in Japan or Europe.

So, we cannot decrease rape in this society without trying to shift the culture of men.

My son told me that he talks to his friends all the time about stuff we've talked about...he's intervened several times when a guy was going to take advantage of a drunk girl. He's talked to them about statutory rape and being picky about the conditions under which they have sex.

That actually is a big part of the solution, in my opinion.

I don't want you to think I am some kind of rabid man-hater. Part of the reasons that my son and I have had these conversations is that when he was 15, a girl persuaded him to come to her house when her mom was gone, and then had sex with him.

He told me it creeped him out so he stopped talking to her. Then she pretended to be pregnant and started telling people that he raped her. It caused a lot of drama, and took a while to untangle.

So it is something we both feel strongly about...educating young men about this stuff.

Good. Good luck with that as I have said.

But isn't blaming "male culture" another way of excusing rapists for their crimes like blaming the victim? It is not my fault people are raped.

 

[pillars]

But isn't blaming "male culture" another way of excusing rapists for their crimes like blaming the victim? It is not my fault people are raped.

No. It in no way takes away from the personal culpability of individual rapists.

There was never any time in your life that you knew that another guy might do something to a woman, and did nothing?