Seriously Contemplating Not Voting GOP

[SniperFire]

Repeal of Obamacare, Ryan's seriious reforms of the welfare state, and - well, I could list a dozen things which would demonstrate to any sane conservative that Romney is a better alternative to Obama.

How on earth have you convinced yourself he'll do ANY of those things?

Do you have a list of political promises he has reneged on or something?

 

[kaz]

No disrespect to the regular folks who are supporting Romney, but can't you guys understand why some of us just plain don't trust him?

I have zero defense for Romney himself, he's another in the list of loser Republicans that are why I last voted for one for President in 1988. So I can't help you there.

But if you don't get why voting to remove an actual Marxist from the White House is worth voting for him anyway, then you deserve what you get, go ahead and vote for "Johnson." But I will for the first time in 24 years be voting for the Republican and it will be with zero hesitation.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Obama has added $4 trillion in debt and has open contempt for basic civil liberties. His war on religious freedom and NDAA assault on 4th amendment make it clear that Obama seeks to end the BOR.

Anyone who claims to support liberty but fails to stand against Obama is a fraud. This nation is on the line. If Obama gets another term, I fear that the constitutional republic is ended. Sure, Romney is schmuck, another Bush style fool. But Bush was like a bad case of Herpes, Obama is stage IV cancer.

Bush jr. was a civil liberties nightmare too. Obama just stepped it up a notch. I guess I fail to see how those two differ on civil liberties. I also do not see Romney talking about repealing and ending NDAA 2012, the PATRIOT act, etc...

So I guess i'm missing where the anyone but Obama camp is seeing him as a better alternative.

Permit us to attempt to dumb it down for you, then.

Wish me luck as I will need it.

Romney is not going to end the Fed, defund our military or cancel the Patriot Act.

You will weep like a little bitch because he does not meet your totalitarian demands as a Libertarian ideologue.

Repeal of Obamacare, Ryan's seriious reforms of the welfare state, and - well, I could list a dozen things which would demonstrate to any sane conservative that Romney is a better alternative to Obama.

I expect you will be one of those Paulites huddled in the corner whacking it because your politican does not give you everything you want. You are no different than any Leftist in that regard.

So Romney's not even going to bother entertaining any of our ideas, but we should vote for him?

 

[grunt11b]

"I totally suck but I'm better than Obama" will be the Romney campaign slogan.

Free shit for everybody "At the expense of the tax payer" will be obamas.

 

[LockeJaw]

I have to thank you for your level headed approach to this. Why can't a guy like you run for prez?

Because I took far too many liberties with members of the female persuasion, smoked way too much grass as a kid, drank too much much booze in my early adulthood, and insisted on learning every lesson the hard way. I have more skeletons in my closet than John Wayne Gacy.

You're singing my song, bro.

 

[grunt11b]

Romney claims a lot of things, but he also flip flops. Which means he can't be trusted to do what he says. He's also a neoliberal.
So I can understand your concern, lockejaw.

I dont trust Romney either, but I trust Obama less, so my mind is made up.

 

[kaz]

So Romney's not even going to bother entertaining any of our ideas, but we should vote for him?

Yes, and you know nothing about individualism. You think it's an ideology where you weigh national issues and compare them to your philosophy. And you do that poorly. Actually it's maximizing your own personal liberty and Romney over Vladimir Obama is a no brainer to anyone who grasps that. And you don't at all.

 

[candycorn]

If I thought this nation could survive another four years of Obama I might say: "let him have another term and fall completely on his face again just to stick the point". I don't think we can. The Supreme Court will go over to the liberals, we'll never get anything done in Congress even if the GOP takes the Senate and keeps the House because Obama will just veto everything, he will continue to spend us into oblivion, more Solyndra, more Fast & Furious, blah, blah, blah. No...it would take generations for the nation to recover if it ever did.

Four of the justices are over 70 years old (Scalia is one of them). Obama may get to appoint Gloria Alred into Scalia's seat. Sweet.

That's exactly true, I made that point on another thread. And I wouldn't put it past Obama to appoint Alred to the SCOTUS at all.

Romney is finished so we will see.

 

[Jackson]

I'm so frustrated that Romney is going to be the nominee that I will just vote Johnson, even though that'll be good for Obama. Why let Romney take this country down and the republican party with him? Stupid liberals will only learn when they have no defense for the failures of their ideology and maybe that's what we will have to let happen. Romney is a RINO, and I am finding it difficult to even consider voting for him. Hate to sound defeatist but that's how I feel.

No disrespect to the regular folks who are supporting Romney, but can't you guys understand why some of us just plain don't trust him?

Who do you trust more? Romney and the Republicans or Obama and the Democrats? Or should I say trust least?

 

[SniperFire]

Bush jr. was a civil liberties nightmare too. Obama just stepped it up a notch. I guess I fail to see how those two differ on civil liberties. I also do not see Romney talking about repealing and ending NDAA 2012, the PATRIOT act, etc...

So I guess i'm missing where the anyone but Obama camp is seeing him as a better alternative.

Permit us to attempt to dumb it down for you, then.

Wish me luck as I will need it.

Romney is not going to end the Fed, defund our military or cancel the Patriot Act.

You will weep like a little bitch because he does not meet your totalitarian demands as a Libertarian ideologue.

Repeal of Obamacare, Ryan's seriious reforms of the welfare state, and - well, I could list a dozen things which would demonstrate to any sane conservative that Romney is a better alternative to Obama.

I expect you will be one of those Paulites huddled in the corner whacking it because your politican does not give you everything you want. You are no different than any Leftist in that regard.

So Romney's not even going to bother entertaining any of our ideas, but we should vote for him?

Bifurcation - the all-or-nothing-logical fallacy - does not work with me in debate.

Up your game.

 

[candycorn]

Four of the justices are over 70 years old (Scalia is one of them). Obama may get to appoint Gloria Alred into Scalia's seat. Sweet.

That's exactly true, I made that point on another thread. And I wouldn't put it past Obama to appoint Alred to the SCOTUS at all.

Oh lord, I can imagine how screwed we'd be with that moonbat in there.

That alone is enough to vote Romney.

Yeah, I just threw that out there to piss off the cons.

 

[kaz]

Romney is finished so we will see.

And the liberal media told you so... You go ahead and believe that. Oh and a "baa" back to you my friend.

 

[grunt11b]

I'm so frustrated that Romney is going to be the nominee that I will just vote Johnson, even though that'll be good for Obama. Why let Romney take this country down and the republican party with him? Stupid liberals will only learn when they have no defense for the failures of their ideology and maybe that's what we will have to let happen. Romney is a RINO, and I am finding it difficult to even consider voting for him. Hate to sound defeatist but that's how I feel.

No disrespect to the regular folks who are supporting Romney, but can't you guys understand why some of us just plain don't trust him?

It's not about trusting Romney, it's about getting rid of Obama.

That's important, vital.

I don't like Romney, but Obama is a cancer - he is death to the free Republic.

So you don't think we could come back from Obama?

If he is given another four years, I believe that would bring about the end of the republic as we know it. He has already proven that he does not care about the constitution, he proved that he does not care about the checks and balances of government when he bypassed congress to make appointments not approved by congress, and also when he threatened the supreme court. He wants to be a dictator. And some folks out there are more than willing to oblige him in this. I wonder how they will face their grandchildren when the time comes.

 

[amrchaos]

You conservatives do know that if you did not want Romney, you could have drafted a candidate for your agenda.

The thing is, most Republicans pol with a sense for politics tends to agree that this is not a good year to capture the Whitehouse and gave this election a pass. Romney was what was left.


By the way, the fact that Romney is not a conservative is probably the reason he appeals to me. Ta-Ta!

 

[grunt11b]

Repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care act, and enacting the Ryan Budget would be the two most seismic conservative changes in government in perhaps your lifetime.

All the Paulites can go pout and beat off in the corner, or they can help make it a reality.

I'm not a Paulite. I was for Santorum out of what was offered, I'd rather have Newt over Romney. Repealing Obamacare is the top priority, and I just don't think Romney will push for it like he says he will.

It's just a messed up situation all around.

EVen though Santorum is dropping out, I will still write him in in the primary. In the general election though, I have to vote against Obama, we can't do much worse than obama in my opinion.

 

[kaz]

If he is given another four years, I believe that would bring about the end of the republic as we know it. He has already proven that he does not care about the constitution, he proved that he does not care about the checks and balances of government when he bypassed congress to make appointments not approved by congress, and also when he threatened the supreme court. He wants to be a dictator. And some folks out there are more than willing to oblige him in this. I wonder how they will face their grandchildren when the time comes.

Sad but true. I know a lot of libertarians who had abandoned the Republican party and are not even flinching to vote for Romney. Sadly the Democrats have actually made voting for the lesser of two evils a large enough gap to make it worth voting that way.

 

[candycorn]

Romney is finished so we will see.

And the liberal media told you so... You go ahead and believe that. Oh and a "baa" back to you my friend.

No the polls did; the ones that show the gender gap wide and widening; the likeability factor wide and widening, the fact that any support he gets from other republicans looks to be tacit at best....take your pick out of all of those.

Obama can still lose if he has gaffes and fumbles. Romney is in it so he can win it; just like a lottery if you buy a ticket. He bought a ticket. But his odds of winning are only slightly better.

 

[dblack]

But if you don't get why voting to remove an actual Marxist from the White House is worth voting for him anyway, then you deserve what you get, go ahead and vote for "Johnson." But I will for the first time in 24 years be voting for the Republican and it will be with zero hesitation.

The idea that Obama is a Marxist is just as ridiculous as the idea that Romney is 'severely conservative'. The vast bulk of his policies are Bush hold overs and Romney will do likewise. Trying to pretend we have a choice is utterly delusional and nothing more than a diversion for sports fans.

 

[grunt11b]

I'm so frustrated that Romney is going to be the nominee that I will just vote Johnson, even though that'll be good for Obama. Why let Romney take this country down and the republican party with him? Stupid liberals will only learn when they have no defense for the failures of their ideology and maybe that's what we will have to let happen. Romney is a RINO, and I am finding it difficult to even consider voting for him. Hate to sound defeatist but that's how I feel.

No disrespect to the regular folks who are supporting Romney, but can't you guys understand why some of us just plain don't trust him?

It's not about trusting Romney, it's about getting rid of Obama.

That's important, vital.

I don't like Romney, but Obama is a cancer - he is death to the free Republic.

If Romney wins, he wins twice, not only is he president but the people who voted for him will expect nothing from him except to not be Obama. He gets to skate through his term with no unreasonable expectations of results.

Pretty much what Obama has been doing for 4 years. The only difference will be that the media wont give Romney the free pass Obama was afforded for the last 4 years.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm so frustrated that Romney is going to be the nominee that I will just vote Johnson, even though that'll be good for Obama. Why let Romney take this country down and the republican party with him? Stupid liberals will only learn when they have no defense for the failures of their ideology and maybe that's what we will have to let happen. Romney is a RINO, and I am finding it difficult to even consider voting for him. Hate to sound defeatist but that's how I feel.

No disrespect to the regular folks who are supporting Romney, but can't you guys understand why some of us just plain don't trust him?

I hate to argue with you because I don't want you to vote for Romney, but you are so wrong. Romney will do whatever the SUPER PAC's tell him to do. He will be no different than Bush, McCain or Santorum. He will give tax breaks to the rich and deregulate and he will pass anti abortion laws.

And what you are saying is what I said in 2004. And I was right. The GOP kept control in 2004 and boy did they fuck the economy up.

But under Obama, the economy is getting better. But in 4 years you will still think he's horrible.

Blaming Obama for the economy is like blaming the cook at breakfast the next day for your hangover.