Serious questions for Trump supporters regarding this impeachment thing

[GreenAndBlue]

You ask for serious answers


A pattern of serious greed crimes is admissable to prove intent and mindset

 

[Rigby5]

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

That and his defense for Joe by him suggesting that Joe was influenced by foreign nations to put pressure on something that broke U.S. laws ??

Which laws got broken? And the support from our allies, congress and government prove that he wasn’t acting alone to cover for his son. Your argument is dead

Joe pressuring for the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor was an emolument.
Definite quid pro quo over aid payments in exchange.

Support by others makes no difference, as they likely were also profiting from the oil deals.
That just enlarges the conspiracy size.

And whether or not Trump benefits from dirt does not at all matter, as long as he legally is required to investigate all possible dirt.
Are you suggesting Trump NOT investigate possible crimes, just because they are his political opponents?
That would be illegal.

(and by the way, I am not at all a Trump supporter, just very unhappy with democrats these days.)

 

[Slade3200]

now see the pattern ??

A classic troll derailment of a thread. Sorry Mac1958 should have reported this douchebag sooner.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Topic person guilty of hypocrisy for asking for serious questions

 

[Slade3200]

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

That and his defense for Joe by him suggesting that Joe was influenced by foreign nations to put pressure on something that broke U.S. laws ??

Which laws got broken? And the support from our allies, congress and government prove that he wasn’t acting alone to cover for his son. Your argument is dead

Joe pressuring for the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor was an emolument.
Definite quid pro quo over aid payments in exchange.

Support by others makes no difference, as they likely were also profiting from the oil deals.
That just enlarges the conspiracy size.

And whether or not Trump benefits from dirt does not at all matter, as long as he legally is required to investigate all possible dirt.
Are you suggesting Trump NOT investigate possible crimes, just because they are his political opponents?
That would be illegal.

The international support for firing this guy wasn’t for oil deals or enrichment it was because this guy was contributing to the corruption in Ukraine. Have you researched this at all?

 

[dblack]

Topic person guilty of hypocrisy for asking for serious questions

daniel 2.0?

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Blackmail for greed is illegal and that’s what he did

He has a long pattern of greed crimes

 

[Billiejeens]

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

That's your point?

 

[Billiejeens]

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

If he committed less crimes, there be less to confuse.
Just saying

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Correct, but thus far, the only charge Democrats and their sheep here have are interpretations, not actual words or phrasing. That's not enough to impeach anybody. The Democrats seemingly want to move towards having Thought Police guide our justice system and Congress.

Agreed. And at the same time, most of the GOP and THEIR sheep are just automatically denying everything out of hand, as the tribes usually do.

Unfortunately for those of us who just want to whole story without the partisan bullshit, putting the pieces together is a bit more challenging.
.

You cannot put it together when you look the other way at patterns that prove intent

Really foolish talk

 

[Slade3200]

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

That's your point?

Well when you get your facts wrong I find it appropriate to set it straight. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[dblack]

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

If he committed less crimes, there be less to confuse.
Just saying

Or take Trump's lead and do and say so much outrageous shit the press and the opposition can't keep up.

He really is the living embodiment of "baffle 'em with bullshit".

 

[GreenAndBlue]

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

If he committed less crimes, there be less to confuse.
Just saying

Yes keep things in priority order

If one is guilty of mass murder for greed its easy for him to commit blackmail for greed

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

If he committed less crimes, there be less to confuse.
Just saying

Or take Trump's lead and do and say so much outrageous shit the press and the opposition can't keep up.

He really is the living embodiment of "baffle 'em with bullshit".

Trump is proving the democrats are liars with him helping the workers and minorities better than them

It’s the democrats are being proved as wrong and bad to the bone

 

[bripat9643]

No.

Ok then why are you asking for it and why would I bother taking the time to show proof? Especially with these things that can easily be found if you bothered to do a few minutes of research. You’re obviously not here for fair debate. You have an agenda you are here to push no matter what the facts are. That makes you a hack and a troll.

So Biden knowing that the company his son was working for was under investigation by whom ever it was that was investigating it, and on the other hand it was a company that was being protected by whomever it was that tried to stop the investigation all due to their possible interest involved, ummm gave Biden the ability to pull the trigger while hiding behind the world players involved, and protected his son and interest all at the same time ??? His son being involved in all of this mess lays the conduit for the quid pro quo in which Biden stepped in and used to remove the prosecutor for all interest involved.

If Joe didn’t have a mandate by our gov and the international community to remove this guy and he acted on his own then you’d have a point. That would be corrupt and an abuse of power. But that’s not the case no matter how hard you try and push your distorted narrative

So just so I'm clear....."Fire him or you don't get the Billion Dollars" was good because Biden did it with Obama's blessing?

Close. He did it with the support of Obama, our congress, the EU, the IMF and many Ukrainian reform leaders. They all wanted the guy gone and their reasons had nothing to do with Hunter Biden.

You haven't posted a shred of evidence to support your claim. Until you do, we correctly assume it's bullshit.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Who assigned him and why ? Conflict of interest involved due to his son wouldn't you say ?

No. Why would you say that?

Stop.
Of course there is a conflict of interest.
No one will be serious with you, if you dont acknowledge that.
The moment he carried his son to Ukraine to gather contracts on air force 2, it became a problem.
Joe biden should have had no further official contact with Ukraine

Hunter took Air Force 2 to China not Ukraine. You’re getting your events confused

That's your point?

Well when you get your facts wrong I find it appropriate to set it straight. Wouldn’t you agree?

Facts are Biden has a pattern to prove his intent

 

[jc456]

Show us where the IMF demanded that the prosecutor be fired.

If I show you proof that the IMF pushed for the firing of the prosecutor before Biden got it done will you concede the point that Biden was acting on behalf of our government and the international community and not as a personal attempt to cover for his son?

No.

Ok then why are you asking for it and why would I bother taking the time to show proof? Especially with these things that can easily be found if you bothered to do a few minutes of research. You’re obviously not here for fair debate. You have an agenda you are here to push no matter what the facts are. That makes you a hack and a troll.

So Biden knowing that the company his son was working for was under investigation by whom ever it was that was investigating it, and on the other hand was being protected by whomever it was that tried to stop it due to their possible interest involved, ummm gave Biden the ability to pull the trigger while hiding behind the world players involved, and protected his son and interest all at the same time ??? His son being involved in all of this mess lays the conduit for the quid pro quo in which Biden stepped in and used to remove the prosecutor for all interest involved.

The US government and international community had been going after this guy for a while and it had nothing to do with trying to protect Biden’s son.

Leaving a prosecutor who was weak on fighting corruption probably would have been better for Hunter Bidens company rather than replacing the guy with somebody who had a mandate to prosecute.

Oh shut up, blah, blah, blah, blah. Stop projecting you know more than us. Go puke in your toilet you fraud

 

[bripat9643]

It seems to me all you have is partisan talking points. Ignoring what Biden said about withholding funds to the Ukraine, his son getting a winning lottery ticket, the political unrest by the Democrats all point in one direction if you ask me. But you choose to ignore every one.

Partisan talking point? No Ray, I’m pointing to actual things that disprove your narrative. If all these entities wanted this guy gone then it doesn’t matter what Biden said... it makes his actions that of multiple governments not personal gain. This is elementary stuff, how is it going over your head?

I'm having a hard time seeing the differences here.

Biden threatened the withholding of US funds if Ukraine didn't fire the prosecutor who was after his son's company, and that's fine.

The current President has every reason to believe the last administration may have participated in corruption, and simply asked a favor of their new President to look into it, and that's an impeachable offense.

What's painfully obvious here is the double standard. You are accusing Trump of doing what Biden did do, but claim it was okay for Biden. But because you only think Trump tried to do the same thing, it's not okay because it's Trump.

I’m gonna stop at your first paragraph as you dishonestly frame what Biden did. If you want to have an honest conversation then you need to be honest in your accounts. Biden was acting on behalf of our country and our allies. That is the most important differentiator and you completely ignore it.

Ok, but did he break U.S. law ?

Not that I’ve seen. What law do you think he broke?

Foreign corrupt practices act, for one thing. Taking bribes, for another.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Democrats are making a fool out of themselves

Asking for serious questions and then stonewalling

 

[WEATHER53]

There is no impeachment thing other than fakery. What is your “serious” question again?