Serious questions for Trump supporters regarding this impeachment thing

[bripat9643]

Well let's see what Zelensky finds and go from there, because none of us know what really happened, and the Democrats were never expecting a Republican President, and figured they had all their bases covered.

What I think Joe did was get the prosecutor fired for going after the company his son worked for. Burisma has been long known for it's corruption in that country, and it's my theory that Hunter was hired for protection.

And do you think Biden convinced multiple governments to get rid of the prosecutor for the same reason? Do you think Biden did all
of this on his own accord?

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

No. Anything called "bipartisan" is almost always not bipartisan. Furthermore, you claimed that every country in the EU wants him gone. I didn't know Ukraine had an IMF which stands for "International Monetary Fund."

 

[Mac1958]

I keep seeing Dims posting this claim, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

What claim? I asked two questions

The clam that multiple governments wanted the prosecutor fired. You made the claim by assuming it in your question.

No I didn’t. Do 5 minutes of research and you will see evidence backing that up

Of course you did. You stated it as if it was fact. I have seen no evidence to support such a claim.

You already shown an embarrassing inability to comprehend simple english. I’m still waiting for that quote where I said “campaign funds” .

Do your own research. I don’t think you will because you know what I’m saying is the truth

As I always say, adhesion to a hardcore partisan ideology distorts both perceptions and thought processes.
.

 

[Slade3200]

It is proof that the Dems have MADE THEMSELVES LOOK BAD in the process...or rather what you stated in the OP

Hello

Could be. That's the risk they're taking, but they can't back out now without looking even worse.

We'll see what the Articles of Impeachment say, if they take it that far.
.

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

Except for the last one, none of those things are actual crimes, and that one never happened. He didn't solicit campaign funds from a foreign government, you lying puss bag.

Adam Schiff and Nazi Piglosi can be charged with all of those.

How many times do we have to explain this...

Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one... It does not state you committed a crime but are you fit to do your job...

Example:
You could commit a crime and still retain your job, the NFL has loads examples of that... There is a fair few Presidents who committed crimes (Clinton Perjury, Reagan Iran Contra,...), some big and some small, but none of those crimes were deemed fireable offences. Again this doesn't exonerate them of crimes.

So how to get impeached? Well commit a crime which deemed as fireable. If you screw the boss's daughter, it is not a crime but ain't keeping your job (unless your the son-in- law).

So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival... that way past what Nixon did if the evidence hold up which it looks like it is...

He is either a complete moron or a worthless troll. At this point it’s been laid out crystal clear.

 

[jc456]

Well let's see what Zelensky finds and go from there, because none of us know what really happened, and the Democrats were never expecting a Republican President, and figured they had all their bases covered.

What I think Joe did was get the prosecutor fired for going after the company his son worked for. Burisma has been long known for it's corruption in that country, and it's my theory that Hunter was hired for protection.

And do you think Biden convinced multiple governments to get rid of the prosecutor for the same reason? Do you think Biden did all
of this on his own accord?

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

Biden’s son worked for the company under investigation you know that right? Just curious if you’re on the right road. Biden then threatened and pulled the trigger. Admitted it! Ouch extortion bigly

 

[bripat9643]

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

It seems to me all you have is partisan talking points. Ignoring what Biden said about withholding funds to the Ukraine, his son getting a winning lottery ticket, the political unrest by the Democrats all point in one direction if you ask me. But you choose to ignore every one.

Partisan talking point? No Ray, I’m pointing to actual things that disprove your narrative. If all these entities wanted this guy gone then it doesn’t matter what Biden said... it makes his actions that of multiple governments not personal gain. This is elementary stuff, how is it going over your head?

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

How does that prove it wasn't quid pro quo? This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers.

 

[jc456]

Could be. That's the risk they're taking, but they can't back out now without looking even worse.

We'll see what the Articles of Impeachment say, if they take it that far.
.

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

Except for the last one, none of those things are actual crimes, and that one never happened. He didn't solicit campaign funds from a foreign government, you lying puss bag.

Adam Schiff and Nazi Piglosi can be charged with all of those.

How many times do we have to explain this...

Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one... It does not state you committed a crime but are you fit to do your job...

Example:
You could commit a crime and still retain your job, the NFL has loads examples of that... There is a fair few Presidents who committed crimes (Clinton Perjury, Reagan Iran Contra,...), some big and some small, but none of those crimes were deemed fireable offences. Again this doesn't exonerate them of crimes.

So how to get impeached? Well commit a crime which deemed as fireable. If you screw the boss's daughter, it is not a crime but ain't keeping your job (unless your the son-in- law).

So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival... that way past what Nixon did if the evidence hold up which it looks like it is...

He is either a complete moron or a worthless troll. At this point it’s been laid out crystal clear.

You’ve laid nothing out

 

[Slade3200]

And do you think Biden convinced multiple governments to get rid of the prosecutor for the same reason? Do you think Biden did all
of this on his own accord?

I keep seeing Dims posting this claim, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

What claim? I asked two questions

The clam that multiple governments wanted the prosecutor fired. You made the claim by assuming it in your question.

No I didn’t. Do 5 minutes of research and you will see evidence backing that up

I don't do your homework.

I’ve done my homework. I’m suggesting you do your own so you stop making fake statements and sounding like an idiot in these conversations.

 

[bripat9643]

Could be. That's the risk they're taking, but they can't back out now without looking even worse.

We'll see what the Articles of Impeachment say, if they take it that far.
.

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

Except for the last one, none of those things are actual crimes, and that one never happened. He didn't solicit campaign funds from a foreign government, you lying puss bag.

Adam Schiff and Nazi Piglosi can be charged with all of those.

How many times do we have to explain this...

Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one... It does not state you committed a crime but are you fit to do your job...

Example:
You could commit a crime and still retain your job, the NFL has loads examples of that... There is a fair few Presidents who committed crimes (Clinton Perjury, Reagan Iran Contra,...), some big and some small, but none of those crimes were deemed fireable offences. Again this doesn't exonerate them of crimes.

So how to get impeached? Well commit a crime which deemed as fireable. If you screw the boss's daughter, it is not a crime but ain't keeping your job (unless your the son-in- law).

So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival... that way past what Nixon did if the evidence hold up which it looks like it is...

He is either a complete moron or a worthless troll. At this point it’s been laid out crystal clear.

Your list basically says that Dims don't like the way he is running the government. No shit? How is that impeachable? The Constitution says "high crimes and misdemeanors." Your list contains no crimes or misdemeanors.

The quid pro quo claim has been emphatically debunked. You sleazy lying morons believe if you keep repeating it that you can fool people into believing it.

 

[bripat9643]

I keep seeing Dims posting this claim, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

What claim? I asked two questions

The clam that multiple governments wanted the prosecutor fired. You made the claim by assuming it in your question.

No I didn’t. Do 5 minutes of research and you will see evidence backing that up

I don't do your homework.

I’ve done my homework. I’m suggesting you do your own so you stop making fake statements and sounding like an idiot in these conversations.

Producing evidence to support your sleazy claims is not my homework, moron.

 

[Slade3200]

And do you think Biden convinced multiple governments to get rid of the prosecutor for the same reason? Do you think Biden did all
of this on his own accord?

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

No. Anything called "bipartisan" is almost always not bipartisan. Furthermore, you claimed that every country in the EU wants him gone. I didn't know Ukraine had an IMF which stands for "International Monetary Fund."

that was a typo, IMF and Ukraines own top officials. Since you are playing little word games instead of staying on topic I’m going to take that as a concession.

 

[jc456]

It is proof that the Dems have MADE THEMSELVES LOOK BAD in the process...or rather what you stated in the OP

Hello

Could be. That's the risk they're taking, but they can't back out now without looking even worse.

We'll see what the Articles of Impeachment say, if they take it that far.
.

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Everything is just noise and guesses and assumptions and bullshit until we see that document.
.

What document and why do you need it? Either there’s a crime to investigate or not. Our rule of law doesn’t allow to point at an individual and say let’s find dirt! Did you leave the country?

Last time I checked trump’s still a citizen and is allowed the same rights as you

by the way, mueller shared his document and didn’t find dirt

The Articles of Impeachment would require more specifics than we're getting now. Specifics behind which the Dems would have to stand in historical terms.

I assumed that would be obvious.
.

It’s not historical, it’s treasonous. They either have a crime or they don’t. Just because they wished for one doesn’t trump trump’s constitutional rights. He’s a citizen and protected against illegal search and seizure laws. They need warrants

 

[bripat9643]

Could be. That's the risk they're taking, but they can't back out now without looking even worse.

We'll see what the Articles of Impeachment say, if they take it that far.
.

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

Except for the last one, none of those things are actual crimes, and that one never happened. He didn't solicit campaign funds from a foreign government, you lying puss bag.

Adam Schiff and Nazi Piglosi can be charged with all of those.

How many times do we have to explain this...

Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one... It does not state you committed a crime but are you fit to do your job...

Example:
You could commit a crime and still retain your job, the NFL has loads examples of that... There is a fair few Presidents who committed crimes (Clinton Perjury, Reagan Iran Contra,...), some big and some small, but none of those crimes were deemed fireable offences. Again this doesn't exonerate them of crimes.

So how to get impeached? Well commit a crime which deemed as fireable. If you screw the boss's daughter, it is not a crime but ain't keeping your job (unless your the son-in- law).

So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival... that way past what Nixon did if the evidence hold up which it looks like it is...

He is either a complete moron or a worthless troll. At this point it’s been laid out crystal clear.

You have laid out your idiocy and bogus claims crystal clear.

 

[bripat9643]

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

No. Anything called "bipartisan" is almost always not bipartisan. Furthermore, you claimed that every country in the EU wants him gone. I didn't know Ukraine had an IMF which stands for "International Monetary Fund."

that was a typo, IMF and Ukraines own top officials. Since you are playing little word games instead of staying on topic I’m going to take that as a concession.

Show us where the IMF demanded that the prosecutor be fired.

 

[jc456]

So where were all these other governments to get rid of him? I only seen one do that, and it was our government.

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

No. Anything called "bipartisan" is almost always not bipartisan. Furthermore, you claimed that every country in the EU wants him gone. I didn't know Ukraine had an IMF which stands for "International Monetary Fund."

that was a typo, IMF and Ukraines own top officials. Since you are playing little word games instead of staying on topic I’m going to take that as a concession.

Of course you do, cause you can’t win

 

[jc456]

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

You failed to post any actual evidence. Obama's support is hardly evidence in your favor. Obama was involved in the corruption.

How about if I post a bipartisan letter from congress urging the admin to get rid of the prosecutor?. If that exists and I post it would you concede that this wasn’t Joe acting alone?

No. Anything called "bipartisan" is almost always not bipartisan. Furthermore, you claimed that every country in the EU wants him gone. I didn't know Ukraine had an IMF which stands for "International Monetary Fund."

that was a typo, IMF and Ukraines own top officials. Since you are playing little word games instead of staying on topic I’m going to take that as a concession.

Show us where the IMF demanded that the prosecutor be fired.

And why they wanted him fired.

 

[Slade3200]

There is a bipartisan letter from our congress urging the administration to remove the prosecutor, theres the support of our executive branch, the support of the European Union and the support of Ukraine’s own IMF to remove this guy because he was doing nothing to stop corruption.

Have you done any independent research on this subject? Look for hard evidence not just partisan talking points. That’s the first thing you should have done so you didn’t spend days making false accusations

It seems to me all you have is partisan talking points. Ignoring what Biden said about withholding funds to the Ukraine, his son getting a winning lottery ticket, the political unrest by the Democrats all point in one direction if you ask me. But you choose to ignore every one.

Partisan talking point? No Ray, I’m pointing to actual things that disprove your narrative. If all these entities wanted this guy gone then it doesn’t matter what Biden said... it makes his actions that of multiple governments not personal gain. This is elementary stuff, how is it going over your head?

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

How does that prove it wasn't quid pro quo? This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers.

It was quid pro quo, I never said it wasn’t. Biden used aid as leverage to get the guy fired

 

[task0778]

"So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival."

Actually, no he didn't. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that claim, beyond a biased and error-filled, 3rd-hand report from a democrat whistle-blower. There's no evidence whatsoever that that any aid to the Ukraine was used as leverage to get the Ukrainians to investigate corruption in their own country that some Americans might have been involved in, thereby breaking US law. If one of those Americans was Hunter Biden, whose fault is that? You don't think Trump ought to find out one way or another what was going on, not only in Biden's case but also the interference in the 2016 elections?

Your hypocrisy is showing: it's okay for Biden to do it, which he clearly did and bragged about it on TV. But not Trump, oh no, orange man bad.

 

[bripat9643]

It seems to me all you have is partisan talking points. Ignoring what Biden said about withholding funds to the Ukraine, his son getting a winning lottery ticket, the political unrest by the Democrats all point in one direction if you ask me. But you choose to ignore every one.

Partisan talking point? No Ray, I’m pointing to actual things that disprove your narrative. If all these entities wanted this guy gone then it doesn’t matter what Biden said... it makes his actions that of multiple governments not personal gain. This is elementary stuff, how is it going over your head?

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

How does that prove it wasn't quid pro quo? This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers.

It was quid pro quo, I never said it wasn’t. Biden used aid as leverage to get the guy fired

To protect his corrupt son.

 

[jc456]

It seems to me all you have is partisan talking points. Ignoring what Biden said about withholding funds to the Ukraine, his son getting a winning lottery ticket, the political unrest by the Democrats all point in one direction if you ask me. But you choose to ignore every one.

Partisan talking point? No Ray, I’m pointing to actual things that disprove your narrative. If all these entities wanted this guy gone then it doesn’t matter what Biden said... it makes his actions that of multiple governments not personal gain. This is elementary stuff, how is it going over your head?

Even if they did want him gone, he remained until Biden demanded he be fired in return for $1 billion.

No shit sherlock. Biden was assigned to be point guy with Ukraine. This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers. You’re embarrassing yourself man.

How does that prove it wasn't quid pro quo? This is like trying to explain algebra to preschoolers.

It was quid pro quo, I never said it wasn’t. Biden used aid as leverage to get the guy fired

An investigation of a company his son was working with! That’s extortion and illegal. Thanks for finally admitting it

 

[Slade3200]

That's a good question. What actual crime are they going to accuse Trump of committing?

Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

Except for the last one, none of those things are actual crimes, and that one never happened. He didn't solicit campaign funds from a foreign government, you lying puss bag.

Adam Schiff and Nazi Piglosi can be charged with all of those.

How many times do we have to explain this...

Impeachment is not a criminal process but a political one... It does not state you committed a crime but are you fit to do your job...

Example:
You could commit a crime and still retain your job, the NFL has loads examples of that... There is a fair few Presidents who committed crimes (Clinton Perjury, Reagan Iran Contra,...), some big and some small, but none of those crimes were deemed fireable offences. Again this doesn't exonerate them of crimes.

So how to get impeached? Well commit a crime which deemed as fireable. If you screw the boss's daughter, it is not a crime but ain't keeping your job (unless your the son-in- law).

So the question is Trump's actions impeachable... Again this is a political process. He coerced a foreign country to open and investigation on his political rival... that way past what Nixon did if the evidence hold up which it looks like it is...

He is either a complete moron or a worthless troll. At this point it’s been laid out crystal clear.

Your list basically says that Dims don't like the way he is running the government. No shit? How is that impeachable? The Constitution says "high crimes and misdemeanors." Your list contains no crimes or misdemeanors.

The quid pro quo claim has been emphatically debunked. You sleazy lying morons believe if you keep repeating it that you can fool people into believing it.

Again, do your homework... learn what high crimes and misdemeanors are...

“After the Constitutional Convention, the Constitution had to be ratified by the states. Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay wrote a series of essays, known as the Federalist Papers, urging support of the Constitution. In Federalist No. 65, Hamilton explained impeachment. He defined impeachable offenses as “those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.”

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation