Separating anti-Semitism from Anti-Zionism

Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.

Good then you have no issues with the judaic people returning to their homeland. Rather its the Arab Muslim invaders who you should be ashamed of since they have stated so many times that they wish to annihilate the joooooos because they are inferior.

Its amazing how dead backwards your hate filled views are
 
I have a few issues with this article...

I have many Semite friends so cannot really call myself anti-semitic

I believe that Jews have a right, as does everyone have a right, to a 'homeland' so cannot really call myself anti-zionist

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist zionists, Israeli government for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist muslims, Hamas for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

So, what's with this article?

It goes some way, not far enough, perhaps not clearly enough in my opinion, in an attempt to show that there really is a difference between anti-semitic and anti-zionist...

In the same way that there is a difference between race and religion... Though most people prefer to muddy the waters by mixing the two, normally to benefit their own argument!

Separating anti-Semitism from Anti-Zionism


Israeli government is Extrimist Zionism?

When did that happen?

And how come I didn't get the memo?
Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.

Good then you have no issues with the judaic people returning to their homeland. Rather its the Arab Muslim invaders who you should be ashamed of since they have stated so many times that they wish to annihilate the joooooos because they are inferior.

Its amazing how dead backwards your hate filled views are


There is no hate, just facts. The European colonists are the invaders of Palestine. Palestine is/was not the homeland of Europeans or of any people from outside of Palestine. It is the homeland for the native people of Palestine. I don't understand why you cannot understand such a simple concept. Mexico is the homeland of Mexicans no matter how much Spanish heritage he/she may have.
 
I have a few issues with this article...

I have many Semite friends so cannot really call myself anti-semitic

I believe that Jews have a right, as does everyone have a right, to a 'homeland' so cannot really call myself anti-zionist

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist zionists, Israeli government for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist muslims, Hamas for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

So, what's with this article?

It goes some way, not far enough, perhaps not clearly enough in my opinion, in an attempt to show that there really is a difference between anti-semitic and anti-zionist...

In the same way that there is a difference between race and religion... Though most people prefer to muddy the waters by mixing the two, normally to benefit their own argument!

Separating anti-Semitism from Anti-Zionism


Israeli government is Extrimist Zionism?

When did that happen?

And how come I didn't get the memo?

No memo required....

Just look at what your beloved leader says and does on an almost daily basis.... ;-)
 
I have a few issues with this article...

I have many Semite friends so cannot really call myself anti-semitic

I believe that Jews have a right, as does everyone have a right, to a 'homeland' so cannot really call myself anti-zionist

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist zionists, Israeli government for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

I do have issues with what I consider the extremist muslims, Hamas for example, who are simply belligerent or, perhaps, belligerently simple!

So, what's with this article?

It goes some way, not far enough, perhaps not clearly enough in my opinion, in an attempt to show that there really is a difference between anti-semitic and anti-zionist...

In the same way that there is a difference between race and religion... Though most people prefer to muddy the waters by mixing the two, normally to benefit their own argument!

Separating anti-Semitism from Anti-Zionism


Israeli government is Extrimist Zionism?

When did that happen?

And how come I didn't get the memo?
Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.

Good then you have no issues with the judaic people returning to their homeland. Rather its the Arab Muslim invaders who you should be ashamed of since they have stated so many times that they wish to annihilate the joooooos because they are inferior.

Its amazing how dead backwards your hate filled views are


There is no hate, just facts. The European colonists are the invaders of Palestine. Palestine is/was not the homeland of Europeans or of any people from outside of Palestine. It is the homeland for the native people of Palestine. I don't understand why you cannot understand such a simple concept. Mexico is the homeland of Mexicans no matter how much Spanish heritage he/she may have.
That is, obviously, a fraud you continue to perpetuate despite your being corrected any number of times.

There never were "Pal'istanians". There were earlier Ottoman and Arab invaders/colonists later followed by Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese squatters who you falsely label as Pal'istanians.

"Pal'istanian" as a national entity was a late 1960's invention of the world's most successful Islamic terrorist; Arafat.

Lies and misinformation makes you appear quite the uninformed propagandist.
 
That is, obviously, a fraud you continue to perpetuate despite your being corrected any number of times.

Care to share with everyone when the ME was a "homeland" for Europeans?
 
That is, obviously, a fraud you continue to perpetuate despite your being corrected any number of times.

Care to share with everyone when the ME was a "homeland" for Europeans?
Care to share when a geographic area was a "homeland" for invading Ottoman colonists, Syrian, Lebanese and Egyptian squatters?
 
Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism
 
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That is, obviously, a fraud you continue to perpetuate despite your being corrected any number of times.

Care to share with everyone when the ME was a "homeland" for Europeans?
Care to share when a geographic area was a "homeland" for invading Ottoman colonists, Syrian, Lebanese and Egyptian squatters?

So you can't back up your comment then...

It's ok, we are used to that here!
 
Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.
These absurd arguments about who is "entitled" to land. "Master race", what a bunch of nonsense. They're there. What do you propose to do about it now? Exterminate them?

Being a modern nation is a lot different from being a people who happen to exist on a particular spot of land. The Arabs have proven themselves, in every country they control, to be incapable of managing a modern nation. Why does Israel get all your condemnation?
 
montelatici, et al,

WOW! Everything that the Mandatory did, was done with the knowledge of the Council to the League of Nations.

As I have always contended Britain violated the terms of the Covenant of the United Nations. You lose. Hoisted by your own petard, as they say. LOL

(COMMENT)

When the Ottoman Empire was defeated in World War I, their Asian, Middle East and African possessions, were distributed among the victorious Allied powers under the authority of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations (itself an Allied creation).

The British Mandatory (supervised by the Permanent Mandates Commission), did nothing, relative to the Territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applied, that was not previously agreed upon by the Permanent Mandates Commission Members of the League, or that which was not submitted and explicitly approved by the Council of the League of Nations.

The Covenant is an extension of its membership. Under Article 16(4) "Any Member of the League which has violated any covenant of the League may be declared to be no longer a Member of the League by a vote of the Council concurred in by the Representatives of all the other Members of the League represented thereon."

To my knowledge, there was no instance in which any member charged the British Mandatory with a violation of the Covenant.

To my knowledge, there was no instance in which the Arab Delegation or Arab Higher Committee raised the issue before the Permanent Court of International Justice that the British Mandatory or the Permanent Mandates Commission, violated the Covenant.

Remember that the Mandate for Palestine was issued by the League. The League determines to what extent the intent of the Covenant was achieved.

(QUESTION)

How did you derive the alleged violation?

What specifically do you accuse the British Mandatory of violating that was not accomplished in the light of day, and under the supervision of the Permanent Mandates Commission?

Was there any demand by the Covenant that the Palestinians specifically be given independence and sovereignty?

Most Respectfully,
R
Indeed, and they did not create a Jewish state. Britain did a lot of dirty, rotten things but did not create a Jewish state.
 
Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.
These absurd arguments about who is "entitled" to land. "Master race", what a bunch of nonsense. They're there. What do you propose to do about it now? Exterminate them?

Being a modern nation is a lot different from being a people who happen to exist on a particular spot of land. The Arabs have proven themselves, in every country they control, to be incapable of managing a modern nation. Why does Israel get all your condemnation?

The Arabs have proven that with stability and financial resources can pull off a Formula 1 GP, can build the tallest building in the world, can establish some of the best international airlines, can provide some of the most effective social safety nets in the world etc. And, Arabs even with limited resources, given stability and the lack of periodic U.S. invasions that destabilize a region, can govern states such as Morocco, Algeria and now Tunisia relatively well. So this racist view of yours about Arabs is just that, racist.

What do you propose to do with the Palestinians? Exterminate them?
 
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Zionism is nothing more than a political movement designed to support the the creation of Israel. Which it very successfully did. So it would seem if you are anti semitic/zionist then what you're really saying is you are anti Israel.
 
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Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism


I've got no problem with MOST of that.. It's entirely rational.. Except for this part..

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?
Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Zionism today is a old man.. No teeth, needs a walker and doesn't really keep up well on Current Events. There is NO NEED for a "zionist" today. Other than to wag a tongue in favor of Israel or worry about it's issues.

The only TRUE anti-zionists today are a handful of ultra religious Jews who oppose an Israeli homeland on BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.. The rest of the "anti-zionists" oppose the State of Israel on political/sectarian lines. And they use the "anti-zionist" Jews as a chess piece to validate their rejection of a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land.

So they can rightfully claim that they are not anti-Jew -- but their real schtick is -- they oppose the right of Israel to exist and to be secure.. They HIDE behind this anti-zionist label instead of actually stating their position on Israel.

Go ahead -- poll them. Scratch an anti-zionist -- and they will be more than willing to dismantle Israel brick by brick. AT THAT POINT -- it BECOMES an anti-Jewish position..

Quit hiding behind a dead nationalist movement with no current relevance and we can move on with what ever "HATE" that leaves us with...
 
Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism
If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?​

Someone asked a Palestinian why he is not boycotting China, Sudan, or Saudi Arabia.

His answer was: "We are not occupied by China, Sudan, or Saudi Arabia."
 
Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism


I've got no problem with MOST of that.. It's entirely rational.. Except for this part..

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?
Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Zionism today is a old man.. No teeth, needs a walker and doesn't really keep up well on Current Events. There is NO NEED for a "zionist" today. Other than to wag a tongue in favor of Israel or worry about it's issues.

The only TRUE anti-zionists today are a handful of ultra religious Jews who oppose an Israeli homeland on BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.. The rest of the "anti-zionists" oppose the State of Israel on political/sectarian lines. And they use the "anti-zionist" Jews as a chess piece to validate their rejection of a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land.

So they can rightfully claim that they are not anti-Jew -- but their real schtick is -- they oppose the right of Israel to exist and to be secure.. They HIDE behind this anti-zionist label instead of actually stating their position on Israel.

Go ahead -- poll them. Scratch an anti-zionist -- and they will be more than willing to dismantle Israel brick by brick. AT THAT POINT -- it BECOMES an anti-Jewish position..

Quit hiding behind a dead nationalist movement with no current relevance and we can move on with what ever "HATE" that leaves us with...

You are projecting. Just because the Zionists dismantled the Christian and Muslim Palestine "brick by brick", it does not indicate that anti-Zionists want anything other than justice for the non-Jews of Palestine. What was promised to them by the League of Nations (and the Mandate).
 
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Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism


I've got no problem with MOST of that.. It's entirely rational.. Except for this part..

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?
Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Zionism today is a old man.. No teeth, needs a walker and doesn't really keep up well on Current Events. There is NO NEED for a "zionist" today. Other than to wag a tongue in favor of Israel or worry about it's issues.

The only TRUE anti-zionists today are a handful of ultra religious Jews who oppose an Israeli homeland on BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.. The rest of the "anti-zionists" oppose the State of Israel on political/sectarian lines. And they use the "anti-zionist" Jews as a chess piece to validate their rejection of a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land.

So they can rightfully claim that they are not anti-Jew -- but their real schtick is -- they oppose the right of Israel to exist and to be secure.. They HIDE behind this anti-zionist label instead of actually stating their position on Israel.

Go ahead -- poll them. Scratch an anti-zionist -- and they will be more than willing to dismantle Israel brick by brick. AT THAT POINT -- it BECOMES an anti-Jewish position..

Quit hiding behind a dead nationalist movement with no current relevance and we can move on with what ever "HATE" that leaves us with...

You are projecting. Just because the Zionists dismantled the Christian and Muslim Palestine "brick by brick", it does not indicate that anti-Zionists want anything other than justice for the non-Jews of Palestine. What was promised to them by the League of Nations (and the Mandate).
"Zionists dismantled the Christian and Muslim Palestine". Wow two falsehoods in seven words!
 
Anti-Zionism means being against a racist master race ideology.

This is anti-semitism.

No it is not antisemitism. I hold the same opinion of any ideology that holds that particular group is superior and should be separate.
These absurd arguments about who is "entitled" to land. "Master race", what a bunch of nonsense. They're there. What do you propose to do about it now? Exterminate them?

Being a modern nation is a lot different from being a people who happen to exist on a particular spot of land. The Arabs have proven themselves, in every country they control, to be incapable of managing a modern nation. Why does Israel get all your condemnation?

The Arabs have proven that with stability and financial resources can pull off a Formula 1 GP, can build the tallest building in the world, can establish some of the best international airlines, can provide some of the most effective social safety nets in the world etc. And, Arabs even with limited resources, given stability and the lack of periodic U.S. invasions that destabilize a region, can govern states such as Morocco, Algeria and now Tunisia relatively well. So this racist view of yours about Arabs is just that, racist.

What do you propose to do with the Palestinians? Exterminate them?
My view is in no way racist. They are not capable of managing a modern nation because they are the product of an older, less advanced culture. Bring them into the modern world and they will be as capable as any other sufficiently advanced people. They're not in the modern world. As a consequence, all their states are failed states. That bizarre litany about tall buildings is absurd. Any attempt to portray the Arabs as the reasonable and pragmatic people, and the Israelis as genocidal madmen is a willful distortion.

There are two sides to this conflict. Both have a share of the blame.No one who fails to acknowledge that reality can have anything worthwhile to say about the conflict.
 
Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism


I've got no problem with MOST of that.. It's entirely rational.. Except for this part..

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?
Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Zionism today is a old man.. No teeth, needs a walker and doesn't really keep up well on Current Events. There is NO NEED for a "zionist" today. Other than to wag a tongue in favor of Israel or worry about it's issues.

The only TRUE anti-zionists today are a handful of ultra religious Jews who oppose an Israeli homeland on BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES.. The rest of the "anti-zionists" oppose the State of Israel on political/sectarian lines. And they use the "anti-zionist" Jews as a chess piece to validate their rejection of a Jewish Homeland in the Holy Land.

So they can rightfully claim that they are not anti-Jew -- but their real schtick is -- they oppose the right of Israel to exist and to be secure.. They HIDE behind this anti-zionist label instead of actually stating their position on Israel.

Go ahead -- poll them. Scratch an anti-zionist -- and they will be more than willing to dismantle Israel brick by brick. AT THAT POINT -- it BECOMES an anti-Jewish position..

Quit hiding behind a dead nationalist movement with no current relevance and we can move on with what ever "HATE" that leaves us with...

Erm..."Today, at the beginning of the 21st century, Zionism still remains Israel’s official ideology." Israel Studies An Anthology: The History of Zionism | Jewish Virtual Library
 
Interesting thread, but full of the usual “bru-ha-ha” of Zionist Hasbara, childish name calling, wild inaccuracies and demonization of the other side. I thought about the question of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism when I started researching into the mess that is the state of Israel and the state of Palestine and I could go on about my personal journey from being pro-Israel to becoming pro-Palestinian, but that’s boring.

Instead I’d like to publish an article written by an Israeli who served in the Irgun and the elite “Samson’s Foxes” company of the Givati brigade during the 1948 war where he fought with distinction and was seriously wounded in the closing days of the war. His views, written in 2004 on this very topic cut through the bullshit and are well worth the read, I’ve reproduced it in full and provide a link to the original to avoid any copyright infringement by this website:

“A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his friend. “Why do you look so happy?” he asks. “I heard that the Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today,” his friend replies. The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. “The Israelis downed another eight MiGs,” he announces. On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. “What happened? Didn’t the Israelis down any MiGs today?” the man asks. “They did,” the friend answers, “But today someone told me that the Israelis are Jews!” This is the whole story in a nutshell.

The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor; Because they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist regime; Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western culture with the “Christian morality of compassion”; Because they have no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.

That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu, his or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or gender, they will be hated.

The answers to all questions relating to anti-Semitism follow from this basic fact. For example:

Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics of Israel’s actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-Semites is wrong and counter-productive; it damages the fight against anti-Semitism.

Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our behaviour in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of anti-Semitism.

Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti-Semite?

Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-Capitalist without being anti-American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything. Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real anti-Semites often pretend just to be “anti-Zionists”. They should not be helped by erasing the distinction.

Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites, promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II, the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews, according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be exterminated.

Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor, Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow-Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about the Jews.

If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a “nation of victims”. Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday’s victims are today’s victimizers. A higher moral standard is required from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.

Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown, perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of criticism of Israel’s behaviour towards the Palestinians, who appear as “the victims of the victims”.

The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair. When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.

Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories. This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth (with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because Israel is more “interesting”, considering the long history of the Jews in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which Israelis call “terrorism”, seems to many Europeans very much like the French resistance to the German occupation.

What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” have been published in Arabic. That is a typically European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of Czarist Russia.

Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain “experts”, there never was any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad fought against neighbouring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some negative passages about the Jews in the Kor’an. But they cannot be compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews, and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even pogroms were extremely rare.

Muhammad decreed that the “Peoples of the Book” (Jews and Christians) be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.

When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our society.)

Aren’t the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their percentage of the world’s population alone would warrant. It is true that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and international media. One does not need the phony “Protocols” in order to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the music, and Mahathir’s music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.

So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their midst.

We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal with their own racists.

Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Zionism
If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the same, is he an anti-Semite?

Someone asked a Palestinian why he is not boycotting China, Sudan, or Saudi Arabia.

His answer was: "We are not occupied by China, Sudan, or Saudi Arabia."

You've been corrected on this a thousand times. Israel cannot occupy land designated as for the creation of a Jewish national homeland. It is the palestinians who could more accurately be said to be occupying land intended for someone else.

particularly since they already have at least one nation which makes up roughly 80% of the original mandated area. Jordan. Soon enough if the palestinians are actually interested in statehood they'll have Gaza as well. So now what, they want a third nation ?
You are incorrect. No land was transferred to Israel or the Jews.

Actually it was. ;--)

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